They're Going After The Children and Infants

a reply to: tanstaafl

Again that's all made up. If you'd have read the clinical trials data or knew what a clinical trial was you'd know this. It's gone through the same rigourous testing and approval as every other medicine and vaccine; the timeframe is much shorter dye to it having a few hundred times the resources and man hours at each phase.

The animal testing results for Moderna's Covid vaccine were published on 18th May 2020, it was the first stage of interim phase I testing: Animal trial results

Clinical trials are safety tests - the results of safety and efficacy are here:
Efficacy and Safety of the mRNA-1273 SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine

It's recieved full approval in pretty much every country in the world (Europe, Asia, South America, Africa etc..) List of countries with full approval - the experiment phase finished last year. The US issued Emergency Use Authorisation and will issue full authorisation in the next couple of weeks
FDA explanation of EUA

originally posted by: bastion
It's recieved full approval

EXPERIMENTAL.

Traditional testing takes years. You wanna trust something that was reduced to weeks? On your kids? I feel sorry for your kids.

Regardless, due to the very nature of the technology - messing with the DNA > mRNA > Cellular communication and calling it things like 'software for the body' and 'updating or changing the code' - I won't touch it for many years, if ever.

It has amazing potential. But one more time - the problem is, I have less than ZERO trust in those wielding this new technology.

Bill Gates? He can't even get Windows right after 40 years...

a reply to: Boadicea

Oh geez Ms. B.! Thnx so much...don't know why...but you seem to be nailing things 100%...99% of the time. Thnx again, stay well...appreciate the (any!) kind words...
MS

a reply to: tanstaafl

Once again there is no such thing as experimental approval in any country in the world. You seem to be getting confused with the FDA Emergency Use Authorisation which as the link above describes is not in any way, shape or form an experiment. There's little/no point trying to understand the subject unless you learn start off with the basic scientific. litteracy

I don't have kids but don't need to trust it as I used to worked in UCL Pharmacology for Prof David Colquhoun 2005 - 2013 lecturing in the maths of clinical trials and exposing how the impact agenda is corrupting science in academia. I know how studies are conducted, how to read a paper and how to check for any innacuracies.

'Software for the body' is a metaphor - it's a literal description of the method of action. I'm not advising you take the vaccine; I just call out anyone abusing stats or lying about scientific evidence to push their own agenda - it doesn't matter if they're doing it for or against a vaccine or medicine.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: VeeTNA
a reply to: Nickn3

Have fun lab rats, my family will not be taking the vaccine. No way, no how.

Why not?
You want to die, and all of them to die, too?

strap on 2-3 face diapers at all times.

Why not just go with some air-tight saran wrap at that point.

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: tanstaafl

Once again there is no such thing as experimental approval in any country in the world. You seem to be getting confused with the FDA Emergency Use Authorisation which as the link above describes is not in any way, shape or form an experiment.

Ah. So you are just ignorant.

So be it then.

The fact is, these are the very first mRNA vaccines that have ever been used on humans.

PERIOD.

That, by definition, makes them 100% experimental. Regardless of what those who you perceive to be your betters say they are.

American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology says that the vaccine works fine in pregnant women, and protection is passed on to newborns.

Seems like good news!

I choose to look at the science, not listen to all the hype around here.

www.cnn.com... omen-covid-19-vaccines-study-wellness/index.html

a reply to: MrRCflying

I choose to look at the science, not listen to all the hype around here.

I think you'll find that many of the people here who undertake their own investigation focus primarily on the science.

The fundamental problem at the moment is that the science isn't science, it's dangerous, maniacal and driving by profiteering.

To give you an analogy. Imagine driving down a road, would you prefer to see the road pavement hundred of meters in front of you so you have time to react, or would you prefer it to suddenly appear beneath you as you travel along with zero time to react.

a reply to: MrRCflying

American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology says that the vaccine works fine in pregnant women, and protection is passed on to newborns.

Shame they won't know if the experimental gene therapy has created any reproductive issues for about another 12 years or so, not to mention any other medium term issues ......... sadly because of the absence of science that's all unknown, which is about as unsciencey as you can get really.

So, after more than half a billion vaccine doses have been given around the world the safety and efficacy of these vaccines has been an absolute success. Besides the random hearsay and anecdotal reports you can expect, there are no consistent problems. Now, the normal rate of deaths from high-mortality causes will continue to be mistakenly conflated with the vaccines by undiscerning people, but that is the flimsy, foundational nature of conspiracy theories.

Moving onward with studies of vaccine safety and efficacy for children will happen with any vaccine as it did with measles, mumps, rubella, small pox, the flu, chicken pox, and so many other diseases that were once commonly problematic. It's a normal part of the process and for COVID it appears you need pretty high vaccination rates to reach herd immunity. If a vaccine has proven safe for the general population of adults this seems pretty reasonable.

a reply to: Bugman82

and so many other diseases that were once commonly problematic

Covid does not fall into the category of commonly problematic in children and infants and does not require experimentation with a rushed gene therapy.

a reply to: MrRCflying

Reading CNN does not constitute researching the science. Nor is there any long term studies to confirm the safety of the vaccine.

a reply to: Bugman82

The normal rate of deaths from high mortality causes will also be continually conflated with the Coronavirus by undiscerning people.

a reply to: myselfaswell

Rushed gene therapy? All vaccines work the same way whether you are tricking the body by giving it a dead or weakened virus, wrapping pieces of virus DNA in an adenovirus, or wrapping mRNA in a layer of lipid nanoparticles. You are essentially tricking the body into thinking it's under attack by a virus.

The way the new vaccines work is that the DNA pieces (J&J vaccine) or mRNA pieces (Pfizer and Modern vaccines) are transported into cells in the body to trick the cells into producing spike proteins identical to the coronavirus spike proteins. These spike proteins can't reproduce like the virus can so you only produce so many spike proteins until the initial material that was injected runs out. However, it is enough spike proteins to trick the body into thinking it's a virus attacking the body and so the body produces antibodies to protect itself against the perceived threat.

A virus works by tricking the body into replicating it. You can watch any number of animations on YouTube or wherever to learn about it. The virus hijacks a cell and turns it into a little virus factory for its own purposes. These new vaccines work the same way. They hijack the cell to become a harmless little spike protein factory that results in effective antibodies being produced.

I don't get where the fear about this comes from. There is no real way for this process to cascade out control because there is no replication like there is from a real virus.

You inject 1000 pieces of mRNA wrapped in lipid bubbles. 1000 cells absorb the 1000 pieces of mRNA. Those cells are tricked to produce spike proteins until they run out of energy and die. Those spike proteins float around harmlessly as the body attacks them, thinking they are a virus when they aren't.

With a real virus like the coronavirus the virus would attach itself to cells by its spike protein. It would be absorbed and turn the cell into a little coronavirus factory. The cell would produce coronavirus until it ran out energy. But then each of those new coronavirus would be running around infecting news cells, exponentially increasing the number of viruses until you have a full blown infection. This infection will spread throughout the body and multiply until the body figures the virus out and produces antibodies.

There are known safety issues with the lipid nanoparticles they use to deliever the RNA
www.bmj.com...

They refuse to answer questions about it... doesnt inspire confidence. How will they affect a developing baby?

n a rapid response posted on bmj.com, JW Ulm, a gene therapy specialist who has published on tissue targeting of therapeutic vectors,13 raised concerns about the biodistribution of LNPs: “At present, relatively little has been reported on the tissue localisation of the LNPs used to encase the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein-encoding messenger RNA, and it is vital to have more specific information on precisely where the liposomal nanoparticles are going after injection.”

Regulators and manufacturers contacted by The BMJ for this article did not wish to address any of the questions raised by Ulm’s rapid response.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: tanstaafl

Once again there is no such thing as experimental approval in any country in the world. You seem to be getting confused with the FDA Emergency Use Authorisation which as the link above describes is not in any way, shape or form an experiment.

Ah. So you are just ignorant.

So be it then.

The fact is, these are the very first mRNA vaccines that have ever been used on humans.

PERIOD.

That, by definition, makes them 100% experimental. Regardless of what those who you perceive to be your betters say they are.

I really don't think you're in a position to call anyone ignorant.

Unlike yourself I know about the stages of vaccine and medicine development. An experiment treatment is one that by definition has not been approved; the clinical trial is the experimental phase -- Science uses specific language and phraes, this is neither an experiment or and experimental use.

Simple overview of the clinical trial process

Also it's not the first time mRNA vaccines have been used on humans - it's been used since the late 90's in various human trials fromcancers to HIV - here's the results from Phase I and II cancer vaccine published 2008.
mRNA canver vaccine trial results

It's been intensively studied for 40 years and mRNA is far safer than a traditional DNA vaccine as there's no way it can cause genomic integration.

Here's a overview of the last 30 years of mRNA vaccine development - Link

If you're after a conspiracy then look at how the speed and success of the development proves that Drs and Academics have been right in claiming Big Pharma have been deliberately halting medical progress for the last 50 years.

The 50s and 60s saw a rapid pace of medical breakthroughs, treatments and new medicines as Big Pharma spent 70% of their budget on research and development and 30% on marketing. That flipped to 70% on marketing and 30% on R & D in the 70s causing progress to stall and prices of drugs to be artificially high.

Bad Pharma

originally posted by: bastion
I really don't think you're in a position to call anyone ignorant.

One doesn't have to know everything to call someone else out for being ignorant.

That said...

It's (mRNA vaccine technology) been intensively studied for 40 years and mRNA is far safer than a traditional DNA vaccine as there's no way it can cause genomic integration.

Here's a overview of the last 30 years of mRNA vaccine development - Link

Very interesting, thanks very much, I did not know this. I have seen numerous references to this being 'brand new tech' and 'the first mRNA vaccine'. I also did watch a vid (TED talk) on the mRNA technology by one of the inventors, and agree that it seemingly has tremendous potential.

But, I keep coming back to the big question of trust... and I simply do not trust the current purveyors of this new technology (big pharma), especially when they keep referring to it as 'software' and the ability to manipulate the messages our DNA send to our entire bodies through our mRNA.

If you're after a conspiracy then look at how the speed and success of the development proves that Drs and Academics have been right in claiming Big Pharma have been deliberately halting medical progress for the last 50 years.

This is a real possibility - and could actually explain why Trump was in favor of it.

But again - I don't trust the current regime comprised of the very same big pharma companies that are directly responsible for the suffering and deaths of millions through their suppression of nutritional/dietary/medical truths.

So, again, thanks very much for the links... I do wish I had more time to research this kind of stuff, but there aren't enough minutes in the hours.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: myselfaswell

the study will concluded that the vaccine is 100% effective at preventing infection. what they won't mention is that it is 100% effective at sterilizing those it is given to, and that it should only be administered to those who are not one of the chosen 500 million that they want to populate the world.

blank the NIH, Bill Gates, Fauci and the rest of the worlders.

I think you're exactly right. Future generations of sterile humans will greatly thin the herd.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: myselfaswell

Dumb parents will comply with making their family line dumber.

Your conspiracy mongering BS won’t help matters either in terms of people’s intelligence...
There’s being open minded...and then there’s allowing the rest of your gray matter to flop out and go splat on the ground.
PLEASE PEOPLE, use some of that intelligence you still have.

a reply to: myselfaswell

Yeah. I am 100% against any testing on people too young to understand what they're subjecting themselves to.

Despite my usual apathy toward the rhetoric on these forums, I totally don't agree with testing on infants or young children.