Sociopathic Credit Score.

"The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao’s leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history.”

David Rockefeller
New York Times, 10 Aug 1973

Following on from this thread concerning impending digital caste systems and enforced cybernetic behavioural control grids thought there was a really relevant vid below concerning the existing state of affairs in China.

Genuinely disturbing stuff and hopefully not coming to a city near you in the near future (although looks like the infrastructure is being put in place).

What’s Your Social Credit Score?

The Chinese government has instituted a high-tech, data vacuuming social credit score system to continuously monitor the “trustworthiness” and obedience of its 1.4 billion citizens.

Each citizen will be tracked, rated, and rewarded or punished by the government with the help of its high tech corporate partners.

The lesson imparted really isn’t about the value of being a decent person of high character and moral values… instead, it’s about living in constant fear under constant tyrannical surveillance, being afraid of public scrutiny and shame, while sucking up to authority and the government.

Don't know how folks feel about the forcefully imposed 'purification' of human society but looks like warnings about being enslaved into a digital panopticon (and the weaponization of data) don't sound as outlandish as they did a few years ago.

Can also see this model being insanely attractive to certain corporatocracy mindsets as not only does it allow for the extinction of privacy but also ensures punishment for those who do not mindlessly conform, unquestiningly obey or engage in critical thinking in any way, shape or form.



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"It certainly feels about as Orwellian as your nightmares would have it be,” Michael Fertik, a Silicon Valley entrepreneur told de Volkskrant. “It's exactly what any Command state would like to do with data.”

China To Use Big Data To Rate Citizens In New 'Social Credit System'

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Coming soon to a New World Order near you: social credit! Join me for Thought For The Day as we discuss China’s new Sesame Credit system and the gamification of your enslavement.

Mandatory Sesame Credits

a reply to: karl 12

If there was a Sociopathic Credit Score the people on this site who would be the highest are all friends of mine.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

If there was a Sociopathic Credit Score the people on this site who would be the highest are all friends of mine.

I was more referring to those who came up with the idea in the first place.

Any thoughts on the content of the video?

There’s a black mirror episode about this, it didn’t look very fun.

a reply to: karl 12

So wait? When I send texts to my friends about wanting to bite people and eat their cheeks. Is that lowering or raising my sociopathic credit score?

I just assume the cheeks are delicious on humans as they are on every other animal. Albert Fish would cook his human flesh. I don’t know, that feels like work. And when I finally go hunting it needs to feel like controlled play not work.

originally posted by: karl 12
Any thoughts on the content of the video?

I'm a middle aged formerly white guy, I'm not concerned with my social credit score, I'm more concerned with my 401K performance. Also, I'm not on social media since I'm not really about oversharing.

originally posted by: TheAlleghenyGentleman
So wait? When I send texts to my friends about wanting to bite people and eat their cheeks. Is that lowering or raising my sociopathic credit score?

I just assume the cheeks are delicious on humans as they are on every other animal. Albert Fish would cook his human flesh. I don’t know, that feels like work. And when I finally go hunting it needs to feel like controlled play not work.

You should reach out to Armie Hammer, he's kinda dealing with this right now.

a reply to: karl 12

I would imagine that having no credit would be worse than having bad credit, much like the monetary form of credit. So much for removing my digital footprint and trying to not involve myself in this nonsense.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yeah, dude shouldn’t have asked me for advice on the biting.

originally posted by: Quantumgamer1776
There’s a black mirror episode about this, it didn’t look very fun.

Really interesting episode and a pretty neat series.

This episode was called : Nosedive. It's in season 3.

originally posted by: Quantumgamer1776

There’s a black mirror episode about this, it didn’t look very fun.

Yes mate and thought it was a very good one - from the interviews with the residents found in the video the situation looks a lot worse in China.


a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

So you took the time to post twice on a thread whose subject you have no interest in regarding a video you refuse to watch?

originally posted by: karl 12
So you took the time to post twice on a thread whose subject you have no interest in regarding a video you refuse to watch?

I watched it, I'm not overly concerned because I'm not on social media but if you are you should rethink posting on social media platforms.

ETA: Other thank LinkedIn but most people don't sh!t post politics and other garbage on there.

There could be a sociopath or mental health score system implemented. It would have nothing to do with social media though. Plenty of studies show if a person meets x/10 criteria they have a 90% chance to have mental health issues or be imprisoned. Stuff like divorced parents, child abuse, substance abuse, etc etc. The science shows it's true.

originally posted by: Hypntick
a reply to: karl 12

I would imagine that having no credit would be worse than having bad credit, much like the monetary form of credit. So much for removing my digital footprint and trying to not involve myself in this nonsense.

Exactly

I remember in the early days of the internet when everyone was anonymous, it was just the done thing, then when FB got big all of a sudden you could sign in or up to other sites with your FB login as verification..I knew something was up then, and now here we are with online digital IDs linked to our physical IDs and more and more people treating the “virtual self” like the real self.

It’s not just governments we have to be concerned about, I know of companies who won’t employ people with little to no social media, women who won’t date men who don’t have FB accounts etc... I’ve had people ask me to start using FB or Instagram so they and others can “keep in touch with me”

The trouble is it is all hackable and you can be set up, blackmailed or cut off altogether and I don’t think replacing your entire digital ID will be quite as straightforward as your bank card.

Listening to the video now...

I think there's a good deal of misunderstanding happening concerning China's actions. In Western culture, this sounds absolutely abhorrent! But that is because Western culture is based, more or less, on individualism. The importance of the individual is important to us. We think of a life as a sentient and unique experience seen through one's own eyes.

Chinese culture is different. The individual is meaningless, except for how that individual can bring honor to their family and country. One is expected to sacrifice all if needed for this honor... including their very life. Death is, to them, perfectly acceptable if such death brings honor.

That thinking is foreign to us... literally in both insinuated aspects.

Has anyone ever read the instructions on a Chinese-made product? It makes no sense half the time! That;s because it is written in Chinese and then translated to English. The translation is quite difficult because the very concepts of self and life are totally different.

The result is that this social credit score system is a response to creeping Westernization. That's what China is afraid of... that's the very reason for their tactic acceptance of North Korea. The CCP is not in love with Kim Jong Un! They see Kim Jong Un as a buffer zone separating them from the more Westernized South Korea. That's also why there are creeping communist inroads being made into Taiwan... it is historically a province of China and they want it back... but not Westernized. They need to excise that creeping cancer before they feel comfortable regaining their province.

I think a lot of it is historical influences. China has had a very long history of attempted conquests. Their governments through the eons have been the reason for their success in remaining who they are. While we might see an attempted invasion as a reason to join the military, we still end to question the results of our decision in terms of what it will mean to us. The Chinese recognize that their entire way of life, which they consider priceless, can be lost by the actions of a few questioning individuals.

Thus, in the face of creeping Westernization, this social credit score is there to weed out the malcontents that could weaken traditional Chinese culture. All are expected to take part, because this is simply an extension of how things already are. Malcontents are dishonorable; individualists are dishonorable.

By extension, that also means that, to the Chinese, we are dishonorable. We are Western and individualists. We do not pledge our very lives to the whims of our government. We expect our government to do things for us, rather than pledge our lives to doing things for the government.

Now, the problem is that our suspicion and expectations of our governments in Western culture is based in large part on a (deserved IMO) distrust of government. Our leaders see what the Chinese do with this credit score as a way to control the population, not for the protection of the country, but for individual political goals. To them, it is a way to force people into servitude and compliance with selfish goals, not a way to protect the people or the culture. Thus, it will not work here the way it works there. If anything, the extension of social credit into our culture would indicate even more of our own dishonor to the Chinese.

That is why we have never been able to rest easy when dealing with China. Our intellectual property laws are meaningless to them, because we are inherently dishonorable. As such, we are to be used, abused if needed, to achieve China's goals. And make no mistake, the Chinese are very good at manipulation! They can and will use our own selfishness against us. and that is a powerful weapon.

We desperately need to leave China alone and quit worrying about their social credit score thing. They want it. What we need to do is ensure that it cannot come here. If we're concerned abut humanitarian rights in China, the best way to handle it is to accept their dissidents. I have met several who came here on their own because they were out of favor with Chinese culture. They make great additions to our country.

The other choice is to eventually enter a war with China. They will not suffer our dishonorable interference for long.

TheRedneck

I ran my name through a social credit rating site one time months back. I got a really high social credit score, evidently they do not know I am rickymouse. The way they rate it would make my social credit score high when I researched how they arrived at the system. I guess they chose good points that made the creators of the program look real good, evidently I shared some of the traits and historical similarities to their lifestyle.

a reply to: TheRedneck

I dunno man. I read your post twice and seems to me everything you say is backwards: I see China’s prevalence and assertions creeping into “Western” life and political spheres almost daily now.

Taiwan no exception.”Globalism” maybe?

*shrugs

Except I do agree we will inevitably end up at war.

a reply to: slatesteam

Chinese movies are not a big deal in the US; US movies are in demand in China (Even Disney's "Mulan" was highly Westernized). I don't see many instances of Western peoples committing hari kari (or the Chinese equivalent), but the Chinese are actively engaging in capitalism. The only area where China is influencing Western culture is in the area of production of goods... in that area they are excelling, but that has nothing to do with culture.

TheRedneck

a reply to: karl 12

Marking to watch the video later

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: karl 12

If there was a Sociopathic Credit Score the people on this site who would be the highest are all friends of mine.

Ha!

God bless us...😇