New Nightmare started...

So at the end of the work day yesterday the Day care on base called me and said I need to get over there now, get there and they called Child services on us.

Why you might be wondering, we don't coddle the boy and let him try things (not dangerous) but he often falls and gets bruises so he can learn. He also has eczema on his legs pretty badly so rather than put him in sweat pants or jeans that trap heat against the skin we put him in long shorts so he keeps air flow, if its chilly he always has a jacket and long sleeve shirt.

most recently he gave himself a black eye when he lost situational awareness near a bicycle and smacked himself with the pedal right under the eye.

wee immediately let them know when we dropped him off, apparently they thought that was absurd... please note my son is not even 3 and 3 feet tall and 40 lbs so his coordination is bad.

After getting out of my interview I called area defense council for advice, and then they told me since they called the state and not the base I will have to get an off base lawyer if Miranda rights get read.

Then we had to take the boy to the emergency room to get looked at to make sure he wasn't hurt, thank god 4 hours after this started the doctor got done and said I see nothing more than a boy that gets to play and good on us for letting him try and fail at different things.

she still is going to do a follow up visit, and I am still freaked out... because of the accusation that was never spelled out to us not one fricking time, just vague innuendo and supposition.

Wife keeps telling me they are just doing their job, now I find myself second guessing everything... can I let him ride his balance bike what if he falls off will they get called on us again, can I take him to the county faire, what if he trips and hurts himself, how in the ever living F#$%^ am I supposed to calmly walk him back into the base day care knowing the accusations they made against us.

Now to the more me side of this rant, I am trying to change careers and some of the jobs I applied for require a Top secret security clearance, and now I am F@#$% from those jobs.

So close to making the transition, and all of this on top of fixing (after the Tennent mucked it up) my house in oklahoma, buying a house in georgia my stress level is about a 10k on a scale of 1-10.

Good grief! I think I'd find a new day care if I could although at this point I would get legal advice. If you suddenly remove the kid, they might get suspicious.

You also, of course, have to worry about rackets in the CPS and local court system. There is a setup going on the St. Louis, MO, area where CPS and the local child court seem to be in collusion with one another to keep children in bad situations to keep milking money out of parents who will fight tooth and nail for those kids.

a reply to: ketsuko

Yea Monday when the wife takes him in for a mandated follow up (CPS mandated) even though he literally got scene by his pediatrician thursday.

I think I am going to research a family law attorney and see if I can get a consultation.

Damn! Nightmare is the correct word. But it sounds to me like you're very good parents. Gotta let those little ones try things and make mistakes, that's the only way a person learns. All those scrapes, bumps, and bruises are lessons that aren't likely to be forgotten.

Keep doing what you're doing. Maybe add a little extra caution, as you've said, for this period of time you're under the suspicious gaze of the crooked system... however unwarranted that seems to be.

Wish you and your fam the best, friend.
🙂🍻

a reply to: Irishhaf

And find a good one. They have no business doing that to you.

Our son tripped and fell on his sippy cup and split his lip requiring stitches and about a year later went running behind a toy schoolbus and hit a foam block with it. The bus stopped cold and he went over it end over end, getting a greenstick fracture of his collar bone.

We could easily have been reported. But kids do what they do, and boys tend to be active little critters.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Think of it this way. If you were hurting the child those people would be doing the right thing.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Irishhaf

Think of it this way. If you were hurting the child those people would be doing the right thing.

And think of it this way: There is probably some other little kid who is being hurt whose parents they aren't bagging on. That little kid will get a brief, tragic news spot on the local 5 o'clock someday.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

I know they are just doing their job, they also could have contacted my SQ, or base OSI and brought me in for an interview that way.

Instead they went right to the state, thankfully the doc at the hospital was on our side and it seems to have shut things down with just a make certain the house is safe in a week.

What if he thought differently, we dont beat him, no belts not switches we just let him be a kid which means cuts bruises and possibly broken bones at some point and we could lose him for doing nothing wrong based on an opinion.

When my daughter was about the same age, 25 years ago, she pulled a coffee table over on her foot. In my proffesional medical opinion of being a machinist i said it looked ok and nothing wrong. The wife insisted that we take her to the ER. So we did. Good thing to. The doctor there said we made the right decision even though there were no bones brke and it was just a bruise becuase if it had been even a hair line fracture and we did not do anything if it were discovered later then child services would have gotten involved. But since we brought her we had a medical record of the visit and records of what had happened.

a reply to: Irishhaf

I've had several Marines that worked for me have to go through this kind of thing due to overly zealous child care workers on base.

None of them ended up being charged with anything and the whole process is usually wrapped up in 2 months or so.

a reply to: UncleReamus

Cousin's little girl stubbed her toe on a piece of furniture, just sort of split the toes like we all do hundreds of times? You know how we all do. Well, she ended up practically destroying her big toe doing it - broken boes, etc., and she was just a toddler.

These things happen.

a reply to: ketsuko

I have 3 daughters and 8 grandkids, great grandbaby on the way. Yes, i know these things happen. What i was pointing out is that even years after a minor injury if it is discovered by some "professional", child services can disrupt your life.

These "professionals" always jump to the conclusion that you are a bad parent and need investigated rather than going with what happens 99% of the time, kids being kids. When i was a kid back in the 70's my granddad dropped a hammer on me, 3x's that i remember, but once was from the hay loft while i was on the ground by the cattle pen. Can you imagine the feild day that child services would have with that today. Or the time my cousin put an arrow through my hand becuase i bet him he could not hit it? It was a small hole, we used horseshoe nails for arrow heads, so grandma cleaned it bandaged it and told me to get out of the kitchen. Today it would lead to 6 months of investigation and even the slightest injury would be questioned.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Shocking, I had an argument with my neighbour a few years back which ended when I told him to get back inside or he’d be spending the night in a hospital bed.

Week later I have a letter posted and phone call from child services, anonymous report that I had been shouting and screaming at my little boy.

I’ve never even raised my voice to my lad since he was born and treat my kids like they are gods. Still never stopped an investigation which was later thrown out.

Don’t worry too much pal, the truth tends to rise to the surface with these kind of things.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Irishhaf

Think of it this way. If you were hurting the child those people would be doing the right thing.

I bet when you typed that up, you told yourself, wow what a great post.

My wife tripped over the dog gate and I took her to the emergency room at the local hospital to look at her leg.
She couldn't walk on it and it was badly bruised.

It was clear that when I brought her in...everyone was thinking I had just physically abused her.

Even with her telling them what happened...you could sense they didn't 100% believe her.

The negativity that others throw at us clings to our mindset. Its important that you sit quitely somewhere by yourself. Breathing in serenity to offset that negativity. Radiating good will at those that have wrongs us has the effect of negating that negative energy within ourselves. Understanding that the processes that others have to follow do help young children from abise.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Just wanted to tell you my kids all had eczema pretty bad, and what really helped them
Was fish oil pills. Sometimes I would just open one and squirt it into yogurt or applesauce.
It cleared them up like you wouldn’t believe.

Not giving medical advice, but just saying it was nothing short of a miracle for my kids.

Good luck on your dilemma.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Honestly, don't stop the kid from enjoying things. If needed pull out your camera and record him. If he gets injured by himself a couple times on camera at least you can prove it. So take this chance to do the good old fashioned home movies. Plus you will have stuff to show him when he gets older.

My ex bfs sister had ecema insanely bad on her legs. The doctors literally chemically burned her flesh as a baby to get it off. Granted this was in california. She was young enough she doesn't remember. (Which isn't considered child abuse?!?)

But it occasionally pops back up now in her late teens.

as always thank you ats..

I just wanted to add FARK this weekend with all the vitriol I can muster... just got the call my grandmother had a stroke.

we tried all summer to get my son up to meet her but since Penn is a retarded state we were constantly blocked.

Plus side the 100 year old lady who was not supposed to ever get lucid again, met the doctor with snark so still maybe but for fracks sake give me a break.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Irishhaf

Think of it this way. If you were hurting the child those people would be doing the right thing.

"A broken clock is right twice a day" is about the dumbest rationale for a sincere "go government overreach, yay!" cheer I can possible think of. Good job there.