Is The Vaccine Triggering A Cytokine Storm In Some People?

The death of Marvin Hagler the boxer made me look into this, soon after he took the Vaccine he died.

Scientists believe these cytokines are evidence of an immune response called a cytokine storm, where the body starts to attack its own cells and tissues rather than just fighting off the virus.....
it causes only mild disease in most people, but turns fatal for others. In many cases, it seems the worst damage may be driven by a deranged immune response to the infection, rather than the virus itself....
“When any cell senses that there is something foreign, that there is something bad happening, the immediate response of the cell is to kill itself,” he says, “It’s a protective mechanism so it doesn’t spread to other cells....
Certain kinds of cytokines trigger cell death. When you have many cells doing this at the same time, a lot of tissue can die.
....“Basically, most of your cells will die because of the cytokine storm....Researchers aren’t sure what percentage of severely ill patients will die from a cytokine storm...or even why some people who are infected will go on to have this reaction, while others won’t.

One hypothesis about cytokine storms is that they are a consequence of a process through which antibodies bind to viruses and give them easier entry to cells instead of attacking them, which incites a harmful immune response. This is called antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). Scientists are not yet completely sure if ADE actually promotes cytokine storms and are also considering other factors that may play a role. ADE and cytokine storms can result naturally due to a range of underlying causes;.... ADE has resulted from vaccines, such as the Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) vaccine in the 1960s and the Dengue vaccine in 2016, due to Dengue’s four strains....Phase 3 trials are designed to specifically detect such negative outcomes.

Yes this was rushed to market, and if vaccines can trigger this in some....is it worth it ?
Seems like we are all rolling the dice if we are healthy and we decide to take the vaccine.

I was searching around for info about the Chinese vaccine for SARS-1 and found this:

These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.

NIH
The story that I remember reading last year was that the SARS-1 vaccine caused a cytokine storm in the people that were given the vaccine, but only when they came down with influenza.

a reply to: butcherguy

So then it makes the flu way more lethel to people.

So as the vaccine rolls out this summer, what is going to happen in the flu season of 2022?

It's an ingenious way to cull the population because people would be dying almost a year latter and it won't initially be blamed on any vaccine.
But it's triggering early in some people almost like an allergic reaction because everybody is different.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: butcherguy

So then it makes the flu way more lethel to people.

So as the vaccine rolls out this summer, what is going to happen in the flu season of 2022?

Good question.
I know I am not getting any COVID vaccines.

I’ll roll the dice with COVID, I’m not going to take the vaccine.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I made my mind up a long time ago about getting any vaccines.
Today a friend mentioned the following video to me - worth the 20 minutes

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

The first rule of COVID-1984 vaccine is: you don't talk negatively about COVID-1984 vaccine.

The second rule of COVID-1984 vaccine is: you don't talk negatively about COVID-1984 vaccine.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Thanks for the video. Its just appaling to think they have rolled out these vaccines.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

This has been my concern all along.

Giving an injection that provokes an immune response in a time where immune responses seem to be going a bit wonky (all attributed to covid).. Seems like a bad idea.

Given that it doesnt actually stop the spread, we have another concerning factor; we are creating the perfect pool to precipitate viral mutations all while weakening immune systems, economies, and medical systems.

Aspects like virus interference & cross immunity are two sides of a coin that even the "experts" dont seem to be considering.

I was intriqued by that womans testimony of her year long research into this. So I went googling. It's hard to find anything of course, especially the old stuff.

But here's one from Aug 2012, where they were conducting a safety review of a Sars-Cov vaccine before going into human trials. Sars-Cov is a lot like Sars-Cov-2.

Basically they had to shut down the trials, because they found that while the vaccine indeed did protect against Cov, the mice that had received a vaccine before being exposed to Sars-Cov, ended up with damaged lung tissue.

Now that's quite curious isn't it. They have 4 vaccines available...

All mice even the unvaccinated ones, had tissue damage, but the biggest damage was in the vaccinated subjects.

We were told in early 2020 that the reason a vaccine was never made for Sars-Cov back in 2003 was because they couldnt' make it in time. They just forgot to tell us that what really happened was that the vaccine would be dangerous.

They also draw examples to the RSV vaccine, where infants who received the vaccine and then contracted RSV ended up as severe respiratory cases with 2 kids dying because of the vaccine.

Please, someone or a lot of you, download that report.

Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology

The introduced mRNA enters cells and builds the proteins for the immune reaction. Once the mRNA runs it's course, the cells return to normal (supposedly). The DNA is not altered in this case, however, there is a difference between "introduce a line of code" and "change a line of code". Changing the code is permanently altering the DNA, not adding temporary mRNA instructions.

Dr. Tal Zaks, the chief medical officer at Moderna Inc., explained in a 2017 TED talk how the company’s mRNA vaccine was designed to work." In every cell there’s this thing called messenger RNA or mRNA for short, that transmits the critical information from the DNA in our genes to the protein, which is really the stuff we’re all made out of. This is the critical information that determines what the cell will do. So we think about it as an operating system. So if you could change that, if you could introduce a line of code, or change a line of code, it turns out, that has profound implications for everything, from the flu to cancer.

medic alkidnap.com

If the mRNA is assembling the protein to create more of the same mRNA instructions in a form that was able to infect more cells, then even if the DNA wasn't altered, the mRNA could replicate like a virus and take over every cell in the body. I haven't heard that theory talked about yet.

They use a viral body to contain the mRNA. The inactivated virus body attaches and injects the mRNA into the host cells. It's basically an engineered virus to begin with.

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
The introduced mRNA enters cells and builds the proteins for the immune reaction. Once the mRNA runs it's course, the cells return to normal (supposedly). The DNA is not altered in this case, however, there is a difference between "introduce a line of code" and "change a line of code". Changing the code is permanently altering the DNA, not adding temporary mRNA instructions.

Dr. Tal Zaks, the chief medical officer at Moderna Inc., explained in a 2017 TED talk how the company’s mRNA vaccine was designed to work." In every cell there’s this thing called messenger RNA or mRNA for short, that transmits the critical information from the DNA in our genes to the protein, which is really the stuff we’re all made out of. This is the critical information that determines what the cell will do. So we think about it as an operating system. So if you could change that, if you could introduce a line of code, or change a line of code, it turns out, that has profound implications for everything, from the flu to cancer.

medic alkidnap.com

If the mRNA is assembling the protein to create more of the same mRNA instructions in a form that was able to infect more cells, then even if the DNA wasn't altered, the mRNA could replicate like a virus and take over every cell in the body. I haven't heard that theory talked about yet.

They use a viral body to contain the mRNA. The inactivated virus body attaches and injects the mRNA into the host cells. It's basically an engineered virus to begin with.

The same way one of the test vaccines in 2012 worked...

I am also very concerned that the phase three trials were rushed, and liability waved just to hurry this to market. Phase 3 trials need time to see if the Vaccine is triggering bad reactions over a broad range of people.
Governments basically said don’t worry about it we will cover your liability....not the best formula for safety.

originally posted by: SKEPTEK
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

The first rule of COVID-1984 vaccine is: you don't talk negatively about COVID-1984 vaccine.

The second rule of COVID-1984 vaccine is: you don't talk negatively about COVID-1984 vaccine.

Truth. In general conversation it's easier to just say you already got it than to trigger some long discussion on why it's completely stupid to get the shot.

originally posted by: jjkenobi

originally posted by: SKEPTEK
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

The first rule of COVID-1984 vaccine is: you don't talk negatively about COVID-1984 vaccine.

The second rule of COVID-1984 vaccine is: you don't talk negatively about COVID-1984 vaccine.

Truth. In general conversation it's easier to just say you already got it than to trigger some long discussion on why it's completely stupid to get the shot.

As long as the person asking isn't a government official requiring proof.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Thanks for the video. Its just appaling to think they have rolled out these vaccines.

Obviously, it was planned this way. Plandemic all the way.

I get a cytokine storm from the flu vaccine, and since that is a known problem pointed out by pharmaceutical companies, I am aware that I should not take this vaccine. Now people must look at the information if they have ever had an over reaction from a vaccine, I was aware of it after my first flu shot, and I tried it again in about the year two thousand and the doctor verified that I had a severe reaction then from the second flu shot and recorded it and advised me never to take a flu shot again since I got so sick from it. I had a good doctor, he knew it was happening and from the second try he was able to verify it was vaccine related. He did not know what was causing it but told me that it could kill me since I was so sick.

If you have ever had a severe reaction to the flu shot, including bad flu like symptoms starting between one and five days after it, talk to your doctor and inform him before taking the Pfizer and Moderna Vaccines. I am not sure if the J&J vaccine will be as bad for this, and I am not going to experiment on myself and get it. The wife will be taking the J&J vaccine this week, she does not get a bad reaction to vaccines.

I also am intolerant to polyethylene glycol, propylene glycol, and polysorbate 80. These are in shampoos and the polysorbate eighty is in ice creams. I avoid those ice creams, have for decades and cannot take propylene glycol in foods or smoke tobacco with it in it. These chemistries are emulsifiers, I try to avoid this kind of chemistry. I am also allergic to tomatoes which has emulsifier chemistry, but that may be a separate chemistry like tomatine intolerance or maybe lycopene intolerance. I like tomatoes and suffer the consequences.

Speak to your doctor about issues you have had with past vaccinations especially issues where you got symptoms similar to the illness. It could be cytokine or it could be bradykinin storms, both can be a problem if you take this vaccine. Apparently the problem does not seem to be as bad with the J&J but I am tired of experimenting on myself with medicines I know I have an intolerance to.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: butcherguy

So then it makes the flu way more lethel to people.

So as the vaccine rolls out this summer, what is going to happen in the flu season of 2022?

It's an ingenious way to cull the population because people would be dying almost a year latter and it won't initially be blamed on any vaccine.
But it's triggering early in some people almost like an allergic reaction because everybody is different.

Here's my prediction: When people start dying this fall it won't be because of the vaccine (can't have the public know) no, they will say it's a "new" variation of convid and call for more stricter lock downs.

originally posted by: Chance321

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: butcherguy

So then it makes the flu way more lethel to people.

So as the vaccine rolls out this summer, what is going to happen in the flu season of 2022?

It's an ingenious way to cull the population because people would be dying almost a year latter and it won't initially be blamed on any vaccine.
But it's triggering early in some people almost like an allergic reaction because everybody is different.

Here's my prediction: When people start dying this fall it won't be because of the vaccine (can't have the public know) no, they will say it's a "new" variation of convid and call for more stricter lock downs.

The CDC and NIH people have already made up excuses for the vaccine failure.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

This concerns me. I have suffered cytokine storms but not in my lungs. Right now my misery is stable to a degree. Id hate to go back to how it was in 2019