Accepted theory or timeline of human development

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Stone can Survive Longer than Any Substance on Earth . Bacteria Eventually Eat Everything Else . You are Misinformed .

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit


Stone can Survive Longer than Any Substance on Earth . Bacteria Eventually Eat Everything Else . You are Misinformed .

How old is old to you? We can tell age many different ways such as looking at the quarries where the stone was taken from and look at the layers. We can tell age by the weather pitting too, and even the magnetic particles in the stone. If we find charcoal then we can go at least to 50k too, but other methods can go millions of years. U235 has a 1/2 life of 700+ million years as example.

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Mainstream Science MUST Rethink their Conclusions about Early Man .

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit


Mainstream Science MUST Rethink their Conclusions about Early Man .

So we are still talking about raw stone, mud, wood, leather, some cloth, maybe simple metals, fire pits, stone tools etc... So what was it that we devolved from?

We already know that ancient man had a bigger brain due to the hunter/gather diet. We also know this is because for a good while as we moved into farming our diet sucked.

The narrator said a lot of false things, like we believe ancient man was stupid. Ancient man wasn't stupid, so no point in even following the rest of his so called logic.

The problem is that we needed a stable food source to increase the population and we needed communication to share knowledge to build on. In the past much of that knowledge sharing was only done during wars were one group takes what another group has. It worked to a point but was slow process, but even with that we saw civilization grow. As we moved into the 1300, 1400, 1500 centuries things started to change and populations grew and communication got better.

The idea of a small group of humans developing in to some advance civilization is pretty much fantasy because for a very long time we lacked in those two critical things needed.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Harte



Stone can Survive Longer than Any Substance on Earth . Bacteria Eventually Eat Everything Else . You are Misinformed .

What's left of those huts IS stone.
You aren't informed at all.

Harte

a reply to: Xtrozero



" The idea of a small group of humans developing in to some advance civilization is pretty much fantasy "


Ah , and you are SO Sure of that meinherr ? I mean , Really ? Your So SURE ? ..........

a reply to: Harte



You Suffer from a Closed Mind . My Condolences......

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Harte



You Suffer from a Closed Mind . My Condolences......

I have worked at becoming informed. I'd recommend it to you, but I see you don't want it.

Harte

a reply to: Harte



Explain this Mr. Know It All ...............

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

Ah , and you are SO Sure of that meinherr ? I mean , Really ? Your So SURE ? ..........

We see it... Our knowledge growth has only really happen once the population grew and communication between areas became more common.

I do believe that high level geniuses have played a critical roll in human advancement throughout our existence. It is those people that could pull new ideas and concept out of thin air, things others really have a had time understanding, if ever... So in a very short period of time an isolated civilization would see a big jump within the life span of a super genius, but then many times that knowledge would erode over time and then lost until rediscovered once again. Once communication became more common that lost factor was reduced and everyone benefited from what ever the super genius created.


Today there is about 30 known super geniuses on the planet, if we doubled that to account for maybe ones no one really knows about for whatever reason we are talking about 1 per 100 million of people. Having 8 billion people means a good number of super genius and a much larger number of very smart people that can also understand what the super geniuses do, but not smart enough to also create from nothing.

Looking at the human population throughout history.... Sometime during the ice age we got very small in numbers maybe a few 10k or so, we know this due to how close our DNA is from one another.

10,000 BC about 2.5 million people on the planet.

2000 BC there was about 70 million people so maybe 1 or 2 super geniuses floating around, maybe one was in Egypt...

1 AD about 180 million...

1100 to 1500 AD we are talking 350 to 450 million, so now we are looking at a handful and by 1500 communication was greatly increased from previous centuries.

After the 1500s everything exploded...population growth, communications etc, and we saw another massive growth with the invention of the computer.

Just think about what 1880 was like with the dawn of electricity and horse and buggy compared to 1980...

Or 1980 compared to 2021...

Now going back to your small group that could have been super advance...how does that play into anything we know about as how humans have evolved? You would really need to stretch things into a fantasy world and still in the end there is nothing to show that anything remotely happened past raw stone, wood, other raw materials...

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Harte



Explain this Mr. Know It All ...............

Boy lots of assumptions.

1. "Two circular saws ran by a machine" Where is the saws or machines? !00% assumption with nothing to show...
2. "The stone was rapidly cut" Another big assumption, why not spend 10 years cutting it?
3. "lost stone cutting tech" Are you kidding me?
4. "Bandsaw, hi speed, had to be a diamond blade..." Once again 100% speculation to meet the narrator's agenda.

The narrator didn't talk about using abrasive powders like Emery, corundite, or even quartz power that was in the area, that could be used for both drilling or cutting. Everyone forgets all you need is time, lots of it...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

1100 to 1500 AD we are talking 350 to 450 million, so now we are looking at a handful and by 1500 communication was greatly increased from previous centuries.

Not to toss a wrench at you, but during the 1350s-1450s 80-90% of all humans in Near Asia and Europe died. It was that Plague that seems to never quite go away.

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According to Egyptologists , Lathe's were Not even Invented in the Remote Past , but lo and Behold , Stone Vases Created on one .............Hmm........

..."using abrasive powders like Emery, corundite, or even quartz powder "

I suggest you do some Reading into Christopher Dunne's Analysis into the use of those Substances by Ancient Egyptians .







Seems you Also Assume Much to the Contrary .

originally posted by: Guyfriday

Not to toss a wrench at you, but during the 1350s-1450s 80-90% of all humans in Near Asia and Europe died. It was that Plague that seems to never quite go away.

Quite true, that is why the population staggered between 350 to 450 million for 400 years or so, but once we got out of the Dark Ages it was like gas on the fire.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Harte



Explain this Mr. Know It All ...............

So, explain a Brien Foerster video?
Sure.
The man is a flat out liar.

Next question.

Harte

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

According to Egyptologists , Lathe's were Not even Invented in the Remote Past , but lo and Behold , Stone Vases Created on one .............Hmm........

But it seems they had lathes...

Lathes were first reported as being used as early as 1300 BC in Egypt. The Egyptians created a two person lathe where one person would be in charge of turning the wood piece with a rope and the other person used a sharp tool to cut shapes into the wood.

I suggest you do some Reading into Christopher Dunne's Analysis into the use of those Substances by Ancient Egyptians .

Once again they suggest they used tools that do not exist? Why would a reed boat survive, but not metal tools, or machines..etc?


They used brass tools and grinding powder, seems they could make round saws, or straight saws...

Once again we are talking about working raw stone...

originally posted by: Guyfriday

originally posted by: Xtrozero

1100 to 1500 AD we are talking 350 to 450 million, so now we are looking at a handful and by 1500 communication was greatly increased from previous centuries.

Not to toss a wrench at you, but during the 1350s-1450s 80-90% of all humans in Near Asia and Europe died. It was that Plague that seems to never quite go away.

That's overstated. It was more like 50 - 60 %

Harte

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: andy06shake

How can i tell you what the technology or procedure would be if it is lost?

Stab in the dark, they somehow managed to find a way to mould some types of stone almost like we would clay.

Think about it.... All we know today, All the knowledge we know down to subatomic levels, computers, advance knowledge on everything at a 1000 times even from 1800s, and you talk of tech they had to move, make, cut stone was something lost that is beyond what we would know today? Does that even make sense?

It's not a matter of it being "beyond". It's a matter of it being a different approach. Even if it were inferior to what we do today, they could have been on to something we haven't thought of yet.

I'm often interested to see what kinds of slide rules, or other calculating devices they used, such as Roman dodecahedrons (which I think were being used for long hand multiplication problems and such.)

en.wikipedia.org...

Even knowing the tech in question is categorically inferior to a modern calculator, I still think it's possible to stumble onto a "lost potential" tech, that if we applied it today would evolve into something we don't have.

I don't know about stone levitation or the like, seems really far gone, we can levitate certain small objects just now, with the correct frequencies and a powerful enough amplifier all the same.

Well it would be with stone, wood and maybe simple metals... The only thing that could be what you are talking about is real magic of some kind, magic like Lord of the Rings magic...

Wave mechanics might just be the most untapped area of modern engineering. Outside of electronics, anyway.

And when I see examples of "sacred geometry" type art on display in odd places of the internet, and the odd directions the art is going in, I have to wonder what they were trying to calculate. If perhaps they knew something about a way to apply sound waves that modern humans don't use them for?

I was in an Intel chip factory one day, watching a group of workers slide a 5 ton machine across a smooth floor, by pumping air under it. It only needed a thin layer and all friction was removed, and they could slide it wherever they wanted.

What if you could cause a stone to vibrate in a way that created patches of air underneath?

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
Even knowing the tech in question is categorically inferior to a modern calculator, I still think it's possible to stumble onto a "lost potential" tech, that if we applied it today would evolve into something we don't have.

Very simple tool for whatever purpose. I do think things were created and then lost to maybe be created differently once again, but boy as we approached the 15th century we started to really go beyond anything remotely done in the past. As I said before I don't think we had the population and communication skills needed to advance technology. Much of what we see is very simple though ingenious in its own way, such as dodecahedrons.

I was in an Intel chip factory one day, watching a group of workers slide a 5 ton machine across a smooth floor, by pumping air under it. It only needed a thin layer and all friction was removed, and they could slide it wherever they wanted.

What if you could cause a stone to vibrate in a way that created patches of air underneath?

I really think they found easier ways using man power. Create a road and use stone roller pins to move the massive stones. When one pops out the back it is brought back to the front once again, as example, but I think they found they could just drag massive stones with enough man power. Egyptians also used dirt to their advantage like bury each layer of a pyramid, so as they built it each layer was ground floor. Once done they just removed the dirt.

It has been estimated that a ratio of two men per ton would be required for moving loads over flat surfaces; nine men per ton would be required for moving loads up a 9° slope. Practical experiments moving loads on a sledge over a lubricated track have shown that one man could pull one ton. Thus, the 1,000 ton colossus of Ramesses II could have been moved by 1,000 men (or 200 oxen).

So in 1999 a light house had to be moved as one peice...no magic just hydraulic presses replacing slaves...lol and almost 5000 tones was slide across the ground to its new location. Egyptians also loved to use water ways to move 1000 ton stone...

In 1999 it became necessary to move the 208-foot tall Cape Hatteras lighthouse to a location more than a half-mile away. The lighthouse weighs 4,830 tons and had to be moved in one piece in its upright position.

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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

According to Egyptologists , Lathe's were Not even Invented in the Remote Past , but lo and Behold , Stone Vases Created on one .............Hmm........

But it seems they had lathes...

Lathes were first reported as being used as early as 1300 BC in Egypt. The Egyptians created a two person lathe where one person would be in charge of turning the wood piece with a rope and the other person used a sharp tool to cut shapes into the wood.

I suggest you do some Reading into Christopher Dunne's Analysis into the use of those Substances by Ancient Egyptians .

Once again they suggest they used tools that do not exist? Why would a reed boat survive, but not metal tools, or machines..etc?

The tools exist. So do paintings and models of them being used.

And no reed boats survived intact. We know about them because of tomb paintings and drawings -- and because it's technology that was used on the Nile river by Egyptians until fairly recently.

They used brass tools and grinding powder, seems they could make round saws, or straight saws...

They didn't have brass (they didn't have zinc metal.)

Bronze, yes, though fairly poor in quality and not in huge quantities since the tin needed to make it came from quite some distance. Copper (annealed with arsenic, oddly enough) was the most common metal used for tools.

And you *can* make stone bowls without lathes. There's quite a bit of research and documentation (along with images from tombs and chapels) showing how drills were used to make these. One such paper with drawings and photos of material from ancient Egyptian sources is here

Once again we are talking about working raw stone...

Which they (and the rest of humanity) had been doing for thousands of years. Here is a very good page on this... no lathes needed Also, stone comes in a variety of hardnesses (the Egyptians used fairly soft stone such as greywacke) -- there are some stones that you can carve with your fingernail (soapstone).

By the way, these stone bowls were NOT exclusive to Egypt. Mesopotamia also turned them out:

References:
Stocks, Denys A. "Making stone vessels in ancient Mesopotamia and Egypt." Antiquity 67.256 (1993): 596.

Stocks, Denys A. "Stone sarcophagus manufacture in ancient Egypt." Antiquity 73.282 (1999): 918.

Jórdeczka, Maciej. "Stone Implements from Tell El-Farkha." Egypt at Its Origins: Studies in Memory of Barbara Adams. Proceedings of the International Conference “Origins of the State. Predynastic and Early Dynastic Egypt”, Kraków, 28th August-1st September 2002. 2004.

Hassaan, Galal Ali. "Mechanical engineering in ancient Egypt, Part XII: Stone cutting." International Journal of Advanced Research in Management, Architecture, Technology and Engineering 2.4 (2016): 11.