New Orleans archdiocese urges Catholics to avoid new Johnson & Johnson vaccine

originally posted by: Signals

(RNS) — The Catholic Archdiocese of New Orleans has declared the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Johnson & Johnson “morally compromised” and asked Catholics to avoid it if given the choice, citing concerns about the use of cells with distant ties to abortion “in development and production.”
The archdiocese issued the statement on Friday (Feb. 26), stating that while the decision regarding whether to get a vaccine is an individual choice, “the latest vaccine from Janssen/Johnson & Johnson is morally compromised as it uses the abortion-derived cell line in development and production of the vaccine as well as the testing.”

New Orleans archdiocese urges Catholics to avoid new Johnson & Johnson vaccine

I find this interesting for several reasons....first a Catholic admonishment of at least one form of the current vaccine.

Secondly, an “against my religion” out of this for millions of Americans.

Would SCOTUS agree if it becomes forced?

The diocese should ask the boss then as the Pope has urged people to use it. It doesn't use the cells in the actual vaccine you receive though so their information is incorrect.

www.bbc.co.uk...

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Signals

I wonder how many products we use every day have "distant ties to aborted fetus research"?

THIS. Cosmetics and artificial flavoring (specifically testing by PepsiCo, so if you love a good Pepsi than they have used fetal cells from an aborted fetus in developing their flavors) are two things that surround us and have used fetal materials from aborted fetuses for decades.

Not to mention all the other vaccines, medications, and the research into curing strains of cancer and Alzheimer's research.

originally posted by: Bunch

originally posted by: ravenshadow13
a reply to: Signals

Sigh. Science.

Funny how serious Christians including often Catholics are often very skeptical of natural selection and say it doesn’t exist because of God’s creation?

But if those same people refuse to get the vaccine for this reason and then disproportionately perish, that is the epitome of natural selection.

That’s so ironic it’s actually uncanny.

I’m catholic... got my first and second dose already.

the MRNA one was not using cells from aborted fetus lines though,so this wont apply to you. It also wouldnt apply to the J and J as they also do not have any cells,after the intial batches.

And ALso..since catholics follow the 10 commandments which are stipulated toward the hebrew people under the OT covenant does that not make you hebrews instead of christians? The reason christians are not skirting the law of the OT is because there are 2 seperate covenant for two seperate peoples who will be judged according to their covenants.

originally posted by: yuppa

the MRNA one was not using cells from aborted fetus lines though,so this wont apply to you. It also wouldnt apply to the J and J as they also do not have any cells,after the intial batches.

They used the fetus from the 70s to develop and test it. When do you draw the line... if there is actual fetal matter in the vaccine or that it was developed using cells from a fetus. Do you drink Pepsi?

a reply to: Skooter_NB

There are no aborted embryonic or fetal cells in any of PepsiCo’s final products.

But: Aborted cells are used in the development of artificial flavor enhancers by biotech company Senomyx, with which PepsiCo signed a four-year, $30 million agreement in 2010 for research and development.

Pay attention to the FINAL PRODUCT sentence. pepsi ITSELF does not use fetal stem cells or aborted fetus cells in their products. the lab Senomex test flavors PEPSI send to them to see how the cells react to them,before they try to use them in their products that do not contain any human cells.

I am not against stem cell research either. Clone cells of a long dead fetus are basically artificial at this point. a human is unique,and a clone lacks the unique nature(soul energy) of their original host that never even really lived.

The other drug makers prolly paid off the catholic church in rome to issue this diocese warning.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Skooter_NB

There are no aborted embryonic or fetal cells in any of PepsiCo’s final products.

But: Aborted cells are used in the development of artificial flavor enhancers by biotech company Senomyx, with which PepsiCo signed a four-year, $30 million agreement in 2010 for research and development.

Pay attention to the FINAL PRODUCT sentence. pepsi ITSELF does not use fetal stem cells or aborted fetus cells in their products. the lab Senomex test flavors PEPSI send to them to see how the cells react to them,before they try to use them in their products that do not contain any human cells.

I am not against stem cell research either. Clone cells of a long dead fetus are basically artificial at this point. a human is unique,and a clone lacks the unique nature(soul energy) of their original host that never even really lived.

The other drug makers prolly paid off the catholic church in rome to issue this diocese warning.

Yes, that I know and was the point, and am in agreement with you. My question was where does one draw their line? It is a personal thing, but at the end of the day there are a lot of products out there that have used what one might consider an unscrupulous method to get there. Do the ends justify the means? In this case, for me, yes.

The idea being if it is hypocritical for someone out there refuses a vaccine, like Moderna, which used fetal material in testing and development but doesn't contain anything after the fact (apparently unlike J&J), but then go and drink Pepsi, which used fetal cells to develop flavors...

the Israelis' have uncensored Covid vaccine info revealed to them.... now it's catholic's... the message don't stop there


here's my contribution, which never brought up the J&J corporation


Israel with 53% of the population 'vaccinated' has a revealing study result !
RE: the COVID vaccine... (cut & paste some of the article points)

There is a mismatch between the data published by the authorities and the reality on the ground.
They have three sources of information, besides the emails and adverse event reports they receive through the Internet. These three sources are Israeli news site Ynet, the Israeli Health Ministry database, and the U.S. federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database.

In January 2021, there were 3,000 records of vaccine adverse events, including 2,900 for mRNA vaccines.
Compared to other years, mortality is 40 times higher.

On February 11, a Ynet article presented data related to vaccination. The authors of the Nakim article claim to have debunked this analysis based on data published by Ynet itself: “We took the data by looking at mortality during the vaccination period, which spans 5 weeks. By analyzing these data, we arrived at startling figures that attribute significant mortality to the vaccine.”

The authors say “vaccinations have caused more deaths than the coronavirus would have caused during the same period.”
Haim Yativ and Dr. Seligmann declare that for them, “this is a new Holocaust,” in face of Israeli authority pressure to vaccinate citizens.

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They also invite specialists to complete their analyses, and intend to pursue legal follow-up to their discovery. The Health Ministry was not available for comment on a FranceSoir query regarding the findings.
The authors also deplored “the fact of not being able to communicate on this vital information” to their fellow citizens.

Full article here...: www.israelnationalnews.com...

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i ask the readers, is the Vaccine/COVID vaccine, the first stage of the Great Delusion the whole world becomes engulfed in, during the end-times Prophecies ?

SNIP:

An Israeli man who posted this reading on YouTube stated:

I made this short video with an audio broadcast of Mordechai Sones; so that I could pass on the information that many people here in Israel have been dying after receiving the Pfizer Covid-19 Vaccine.
But none of this information seems to be making it into the mainline media.
I am calling on everyone to pray and (seek the Lord to) have this evil thing stopped immediately.

where is Pogo ?

ETA: a reply to: rickymouse
i applaud your post as informative and passionate

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: carewemust

They can kiss butt. I don't give a care about the vaccine or what they think if I don't take one. My area is way too America First Conservative to make us vaccinate. I'll just have to avoid Shreveport which I already do. If necessary, I'll find a fake vac document.

I am NW La. too, yes, avoid Shreepoat as much as you can, rolling gun battles & shootings every night, Mayor Perkins is doing a great job.

originally posted by: Skooter_NB

originally posted by: Metallicus
I thought the Johnson and Johnson vaccine was superior because it doesn’t use mRNA. Not that I would get it, but still less scary. Good thing I am not Catholic.

What is the term of superior? The mRNA vaccines are far more effective (95% vs 72%). I guess in terms of people's comfort level the J&J vaccine is your 'traditional' one.

And how have they proven that? Sounds like BS to me. Without the vaccine my immune system has a 99% chance of success even without the Ivermectin protocol. With no risk.

originally posted by: Doctor Smith

originally posted by: Skooter_NB

originally posted by: Metallicus
I thought the Johnson and Johnson vaccine was superior because it doesn’t use mRNA. Not that I would get it, but still less scary. Good thing I am not Catholic.

What is the term of superior? The mRNA vaccines are far more effective (95% vs 72%). I guess in terms of people's comfort level the J&J vaccine is your 'traditional' one.

And how have they proven that? Sounds like BS to me. Without the vaccine my immune system has a 99% chance of success even without the Ivermectin protocol. With no risk.

Good on you having a 99% chance of success. A lot of people don't and need medical assistance.

The tests were done by these doctors:

Sara E. Oliver, MD1; Julia W. Gargano, PhD1; Mona Marin, MD1; Megan Wallace, DrPH1,2; Kathryn G. Curran, PhD1; Mary Chamberland, MD1,3; Nancy McClung, PhD1; Doug Campos-Outcalt, MD4; Rebecca L. Morgan, PhD5; Sarah Mbaeyi, MD1; José R. Romero, MD6; H. Keipp Talbot, MD7; Grace M. Lee, MD8; Beth P. Bell, MD9; Kathleen Dooling, MD1

1CDC COVID-19 Response Team; 2Epidemic Intelligence Service, CDC; 3General Dynamics Information Technology, Falls Church, Virginia; 4University of Arizona, College of Medicine, Phoenix, Arizona; 5Department of Health Research Methods, Evidence, and Impact, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada; 6Arkansas Department of Health; 7Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, Nashville, Tennessee; 8Stanford University School of Medicine, Stanford, California; 9University of Washington, Seattle, Washington.

And this is how:

The body of evidence for the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine was primarily informed by one large, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled Phase III clinical trial that enrolled approximately 30,000 participants aged 18–95 years (median = 52 years) (6–9). Interim findings from this clinical trial, using data from participants with a median of 2 months of follow-up, indicate that the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine efficacy after 2 doses was 94.1% (95% confidence interval = 89.3%–96.8%) in preventing symptomatic, laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 among persons without evidence of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection, which was the primary study endpoint.

So, if efficacy means some percent fewer cases of COVID-19, what counts as a "case of COVID"? Both Pfizer and Moderna defined a case as having at least one symptom (however mild) and a positive COVID-19 test. Johnson & Johnson defined a "case" as having a positive COVID-19 test plus at least one moderate symptom (such as shortness of breath, abnormal blood oxygen levels or abnormal respiratory rate) or at least two milder symptoms (such as fever, cough, fatigue, headache, or nausea). Someone with a moderate case of COVID-19 by this definition could either be mildly affected or be incapacitated and feel pretty sick for a few weeks.

Efficacy Explained