Serious thought on these guys

a reply to: AutomateThis1

Quite possibly.
It's been a tough week at work.

I know personal opinion is perceptive by nature but I am not a fan of statements of 'fact' without at least a modicum of a reason why they are fact and not just a "because I said so". I suppose it's symptomatic of the nature of a forum. I don't have any opinion on the list in the OP because I don't know enough about them and as I said, Greer's 'Disclosure' book is something I am just delving into with some interest in its contents.

I see the "in my opinion" prefix as a way of softening the blow without having to go a long winded explanation of why.

In my opinion Dr. Steven Greer, David Wilcock , and Corey Good are complete con men. Each story is more fantastic than the next.

Phil Schneider may or may not be genuine, his death on Januarv 17, 1996, shortly after conducting several controversial lectures throughout the US was highly unusual. He was reportedly strangled by a catheter found wrapped around his neck.
If the circumstances of his death seem highly controversial, they are matched by the controversy over his public statements about the tall gray’s uttered shortly before his death.

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: mamabeth

I'm curious as to why you stopped.

Do you really want to know? I kept noticing a pattern in UFO stories and
documentaries that was confirming my suspicion they're demonic in nature.

originally posted by: mamabeth

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: mamabeth

I'm curious as to why you stopped.

Do you really want to know? I kept noticing a pattern in UFO stories and
documentaries that was confirming my suspicion they're demonic in nature.

I think some are demonic and some are angelic. The Bible describes them in detail in the book of Ezekiel.

originally posted by: SweetpotatoJohnson
I watch all things UFO, Alien, Paranormal, Conspiracy. What do you think about these guys? They tend to contradict each other sometimes, and other times what they say line up.

1. Steven Greer
2. David Wilcock
3. Corey Good
4. Phil Schneider

Don't know the others..

But back in like 2010 I got into David Wilcock

He's a total self obsessed sham though. He was claiming at the time that in 2012 we would get massive sun spots that would rain down particular types of radiation that would alter our collective consciousness and give a large part of the population telekinetic and psychic abilities.

As you can see.. that didn't happen...

He also is super money hungry and makes wild baseless claims with 0 evidence

originally posted by: LSU2018
I think some are demonic and some are angelic. The Bible describes them in detail in the book of Ezekiel.

Many longtime UFO researchers over the years have either reached that conclusion or were working their way toward it when they died. They may not be specifically what is referred to in the Bible. There are certainly many other kinds of aggressive and potentially dangerous entities to be found all over the world in multiple different mythologies. Hey, even the Bible is not quite exactly consistent with the way they're described.

So who knows for sure? Current research on cognition and personality sometimes suggests that a "mind" is a lot more than the sum of its neurons, and could contain a very non-physical EM construct that makes it all work. Could this mean that such a thing could have a chance of existing? Maaaaaybe.

The first three are all outright frauds and sham artists in my opinion. I’m open to Phil Schneider’s story possibly being at least somewhat true.

This picture alone, speaks a thousand words.

I’m not watching the video. It aired 6 days ago.

a reply to: SweetpotatoJohnson

Nothing, as I don't care for "personalities", I care for facts.

a reply to: SweetpotatoJohnson

They fall into four distinct categories.

Charlatans and liars sometimes, usually out to make money or gain cult status.

True believers whom are just like you and me searching for an answer.

Mentally affected in there own subjective reality - I shall not say Ill because there experiences for them have been very real.

The real deal but are they correct about there experience and if so?.


My take, Steven Greer, probably began as a genuine researcher but with a book in mind and became a cult figure.

David Wilcock pretty much identical to Greer.

Corey Good, way too much Star Trek, it would be cool but I seriously do not believe him though you know disinformation guy perhaps or just cult figure and enjoying his status - also since he is likely paid for his interviews he may be just an American snake oil salesman and if so is worse than either Wilcock or Greer, the biggest difference is that he is preying on the new age believers while the other two are more straddling the line with older and more grounded believers.
(there is a real secret space program and there has been ever since military started putting up there own craft and satellites independently and ever since black budget concerned became involved but how advanced, well MacKinnon whom I truly believe spoke the truth may indicate VERY advanced but was it real or was it a trap designed to snare foreign hackers he stumbled into).

Phil Schneider, someone on this site alluded to him not being a nice guy which I kind of believe but I also believe his experience was real and that he was murdered by someone and then it was called natural causes despite the ligature around his neck and defence wound's on the body.

Also I believe that our own governments may sometimes be more dangerous to us than a bunch of ET's, not always certainly but they definitely do not always have our well being at heart as they are supposed to.

a reply to: SweetpotatoJohnson

Wishful thinking.

Great stories.

Not a shred of real proof.

Loved the ancient Antarctica palaver.

How Phil Schneider died was interesting.

a reply to: fromtheskydown

Many years ago, when I was still a new member of this forum, I was accused of using too many "in my opinion" or "I think", so I suppose we can't please Greeks and Trojans.

a reply to: ArMaP

I could quite easily crack a joke about a wooden horse stuffed with young boys on that one (and yes it's a disgusting and stereotypical joke that would be in very bad taste) but you are correct, you can never please everyone, especially were debates and shared thought's often lead people on diverging tangents and there different beliefs are concerned.

a reply to: mamabeth

a reply to: LABTECH767

And that's the problem, most discussions end up being about what people believe and not about facts, so they end in the same way as discussions about sports clubs, politics or religion, when they should be about finding facts.

a reply to: ArMaP

I have to say I am thoroughly guilty of that very thing, I tend to read something then my mind jump's off on - to me - related tangent's, it is simply human nature and can of course lead a thread right off post which many of us have done most often inadvertently and without intent, I try to guard against doing so as it is simply rude and ignorant to the vein of a thread but like I say only human (well I think so anyway, you don't know what with all the hybrid threads).

Seriously though this thread brings up a good topic, the UFO debate scene makes many folk's a lot of money out there and that brings all the con artists to the fore which can destroy the integrity of a subject, disinformation uses this very method and so too do con artists.

But not all con artists are con artists they can often be genuine believers whom are just out of whack with reality as we know it.

I see one of those guy's as potentially real (or the possible victim of mind control experiments) the first two as potentially interesting but take with a very large shovel of salt and the third as a bandwagon jumping opportunist out to make money and name for himself, I would not be surprised if he opened a new age retreat in ten or twenty years and had groupies going to him to learn alien secret space agency tantric yoga or something (But if he could prove his wild claims then I would be the one with an omelette on my face and even if no it is probably making him a packet playing on the gullibility of the 'I WANT TO BELIEVE' crowd).

I DO Believe in UFO's, I Don't know what they are though so?, I also believe the black budget space is real but how big, how advanced I doubt they travel to other star systems however (probably just ultra classified satellites) but you never know, however his story is just to wacked out to accept.

a reply to: SweetpotatoJohnson
I attended a lecture by Greer in Toronto, back in the day. I read 'Disclosure' and watched the film. I think that much there can be taken at face value. His subsequent group encounters and stuff? I think I'd be more inclined to see why he takes that seriously than just write him off as a con. Stephen Basset and 'Fastwalkers' was going on around the same time, and I caught that lecture as well, but it seems to have faded away.
All I can say is that this whole topic is rife with disinformation, and nothing is as it seems. Don't trust anybody who claims to have all the answers.

a reply to: SweetpotatoJohnson

1. Steven Greer

Business man selling UFOs.

2. David Wilcock

Business man selling whatever he thinks you'll buy.

Corey Good

Author and researcher selling belief in UFOs.

4. Phil Schneider

Interesting character , one toe in the Grey Area.

Absolutely agree with everyone about Schneider.

I was on the fence about his fantastical stories of Dulce.

When I found out how he died, It pushed me to one side of that fence.

The problem I have with it is, how much fiction was riddled within his truths?

What exactly did he truthfully divulge, that got him suicided?

Too many questions, too few answers.

OTHER claims about Dulce from other sources than Schneider, may want to take his claim a little more seriously or not that is for you to decide.
www.theufochronicles.com...
projectavalon.net...

There is always a chance of someone jumping on a bandwagon but what if?.