Diehold foundation,. Anyone following this guy..

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: one4all

.I was abducted by Off-Planet Human Military who were collecting DNA GLOBALLY PRE-EVENT TO RESTORE HUMANITY.... whereupon I was shown what is coming.

Im fortunate in that they led me to data that showed me how and where to try to survive.

Of course you are going to share that data with your ATS brothers and sisters, right?

On a sidenote....lol...believe it or not my area has been owned by the same secret group since THE VERY DAY AFTER MY COUNTRY WAS ESTABLISHED and has been held consecutively in different packages Holding Companies ect ect since then ...a massive area....the ONLY AREA......and unfortunately its "THE GROUP".....the top of the structure Group.

I havent checked ownership of all of the few other safer areas but expect the same dynamic to be in place....the top 2 in my Country are already Populated with People who KNOW EXCTLY WHAT IS COMING AND WHY THEY ARE IN THEIR GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATIONS.

Its not like People think....there are very few areas that give you a shot at surviving.

If you were a Billionaire you could not buy the Property I speak of...no amount of money would get it for you.

a reply to: one4all


Well you do twist and wriggle but I’m not picking up on the sense of humour. The prejudice is definitely there though.
Have fun camping with your elites mate, I hope someone remembers the popcorn.

originally posted by: Dalamax
a reply to: one4all


Well you do twist and wriggle but I’m not picking up on the sense of humour. The prejudice is definitely there though.
Have fun camping with your elites mate, I hope someone remembers the popcorn.

No twisting nor wriggling....clean your Rose colored glasses off... ok.... things are grim as we speak.... predjudice against foolishness..yes...there is no time to coddle nor teach you....even decades is not enough for many....I am not a member of the elites I am as meek as we come....but you better wake up and smell the Vegemite , Mate....because there ARE NO SAFE PLACES the Elites have not cornered already....we are poor brokeass needless eaters remember ?....they have bought the land...they have built the Bunkers Underground...they have the Supplies and the Medicines...wake up man....you are going to have to re-posses those things in the name of Humanity....so buckle up Sunshine things are going to get rough no matter what....get yourself together Man.

The Governments are not going to be able to help you Man... they can barely clean out the Satanist Freaks that built most of the Uderground Facilities Worldwide....and destroying those is critical because whoever comes out on Top after this Event will define the path of THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF HUMANITY....they will control us for another entire Cycle....so smarten up People are dieing Under and aboveground as we speak fighting for the Future....the least you could do for Humanity is educate yourself then Prepare yourself and your Family....dont waste time skirmishing with People trying to teach you....accept or reject their data then move on...you dont have enough time to dilly-dally.

What some People see as an ending others see as a beginning.

Does this video resonate with anyone.

BEFORE you play the song.....Go to the 40sec mark and note the image.....then go to 3:33 and note the image.....then play the song and see if it resonates with you.

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originally posted by: 2Faced
I follow the Diehold’s series on the ice age/solar micro nova, very fascinating, but also very disturbing. However, there are more people who have information that either confirms certain claims, and others amplify certain theories by Douglas B. Vogt.

Here are the (youtube) sites that I think will compliment what the Dieholdfoundation presents, It paints a much clearer and more complete picture of our/earth’s past. And don’t be discouraged by people who say that he’s full of it, they are either shortsighted, or have an agenda:
Hiddenincatours - Brien Foerster (Presents locations that show vitrification, very likely due to solar nova)
Thunderboltsproject - David Talbott/Wal Thornhill (At least watch “Symbols of an Alien Sky”)
Suspicious0bservers - Ben Davidson (Solar observer who also shows cyclic solar novas exist. Almost always based on peer reviewed articles/thesis.

Good Luck!

My only agenda is truth, and you're not getting truth from any of these people, including Vogt.
I mean he will say some true things and then some things that are obviously false, like grass is green, sky is blue, and pole reversals happen at regular intervals.

Well it's true that grass is green and sky is blue, but it's not true that pole reversals happen at regular intervals. What's really odd about this Vogt guy is that in video series 4 part 1 (c), a few minutes after he says the pole reversals happen at reglar intervals, he shows a chart showing the interval of pole reversals, and he even talks about how irregular the intervals are on that chart, but a few minutes ago he said they happened at regular intervals. He doesn't seem to be aware that he just dramatically contradicted himself.

As far as I can tell, the people who follow these fraudsters, crackpots or crazies are scientifically illiterate, but how much science do you even need to know to see the guy is contradicting himself?

-Brien Foerster's vitrification appears to be not from novae but from fires.
-Ben Davidson shows us some science papers and then misrepresents what they actually say, as one of the authors of one of the papers he misrepresented even confirmed.
-The thunderbolts and electric universe folks have no model to discuss and try to solve problems that we don't even have with our models that work pretty well in explaining observations. They seem proud of the fact they don't use models or math and that lack of math is what attracts some scientifically illetate followers but also makes it a non-starter for scientific endeavor which requires math to calculate predictions from the models.
-Vogt is not only contradicting himself but he's also engaging in the same mainstream-science-bashing as some of the other sources you cited, which is a big red flag that he's not a reliable source.

This is a really great video that shows how mainstream beliefs can be changed by a dedicated scientist who does research and collects evidence. The scientist they highlight who does that is Luis Alvarez. He has detractors but he doesn't belittle them like this Vogt guy and those other guys, he presents his evidence and when it's strong enough, it's the evidence that convinces the other scientists he's right, so he doesn't have to belittle them for being wrong. Mainstream scientists are willing to consider good evidence, but if you are trying to sway their opinion, I would suggest you don't accuse them all of being idiots like some of these guys try to do, it's not a good start to the persuasion process, plus they are not really all idiots, though they do have incomplete data at times.

harvard & aliens & crackpots: a disambiguation of Avi Loeb

That video has some great clues on how to tell if the scientist or charlatan you want to follow is doing real science or is just a fraud or crackpot, or in one example in the video, it was an unfortunate case of a good scientist, Francis G Perey, who did good science in his younger years, and then got old and went senile and did crackpot science in his later years. Lots of food for thought if you're not sure if you're following real science or crackpottery. The example of Francis Perey shows how it's possible to have both coming from the same person, (at different times).

Vogt's self-contradiction without any explanation or clarification of why he contradicted himself makes me wonder if he's going senile; his presentation is not particularly coherent in other aspects also.

For example, he says the Earth stopped rotating during pole reversals, without even attempting to explain how this doesn't violate the well documented observations of conservation of angular momentum, if he's even aware of that basic principle of physics. The Earth stopping its rotation is really one of the most absurd claims I've heard from any of these folks and they have some whoppers, he's really crazy to claim that.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
For example, he says the Earth stopped rotating during pole reversals, without even attempting to explain how this doesn't violate the well documented observations of conservation of angular momentum, if he's even aware of that basic principle of physics. The Earth stopping its rotation is really one of the most absurd claims I've heard from any of these folks and they have some whoppers, he's really crazy to claim that.

No he's not, he has plenty of written texts from the ancient past written by ancient humans that cleary state that during this catastrope that the sun begins to rise in the opposite direction.

a reply to: DaRAGE
You are simply citing more evidence he's a nut.
There are ancient texts talking about a global flood, but that doesn't mean there was a global flood. Ancient texts have plenty of myths and stories about things that never happened, though in the case of floods, there have certainly been large regional floods, but never any global floods as described in mythology.

In contrast we have countless confirmed obsevations of angular momentum being conserved, and basically no plausible explanation of how this fundamental property of nature can be avoided to allow the earth to change its direction of rotation. Ancient mythology is hardly a credible basis for throwing confirmed science out the window.

a reply to: St Udio

wow, a post proving i had a previous cyber-life .. here at ATS

originally posted by: DaRAGE
No he's not, he has plenty of written texts from the ancient past written by ancient humans that cleary state that during this catastrope that the sun begins to rise in the opposite direction.

I mentioned Vogt's claim that the earth stopped rotating during pole reversals. Then you say he has ancient texts saying the sun begins to rise in the opposite direction.

The last pole reversal was about 780,000 years ago. Do you think the texts are 780,000 years old?
Just curious if you've really thought this through.

Earth's Inconstant Magnetic Field

Sometimes the field completely flips. The north and the south poles swap places. Such reversals, recorded in the magnetism of ancient rocks, are unpredictable. They come at irregular intervals averaging about 300,000 years; the last one was 780,000 years ago.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

No. I don't think the last pole reversal was 780,000 years ago. And neither does Vought.

If you've actually gone through all his stuff you would know that. Such as his Theory of Multidimensional Reality. Where he believes that the universe is an information based system, and it's run on some type of advanced computer and it has a clock cycle. He believe's he has found the clock cycle which is 12068 years. He also believe the magnetic poles flip every 12,068 years too ( I think ).

magnetic flip 42,000 years ago

A magnetic reversal 42,000 years ago.


I keep finding correlations to:
There are major catastrophic events that occur every 12,000 years.
There are big events that occur every 6,000 years or so.
There are minor events that occur every 3,000 years.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
a reply to: DaRAGE
You are simply citing more evidence he's a nut.
There are ancient texts talking about a global flood, but that doesn't mean there was a global flood. Ancient texts have plenty of myths and stories about things that never happened, though in the case of floods, there have certainly been large regional floods, but never any global floods as described in mythology.

In contrast we have countless confirmed obsevations of angular momentum being conserved, and basically no plausible explanation of how this fundamental property of nature can be avoided to allow the earth to change its direction of rotation. Ancient mythology is hardly a credible basis for throwing confirmed science out the window.

Perhaps you just havn't thought of any other possibilities in regards to this angular momentum issue.

Maybe the Earth doesn't change its angular momentum, but keeps it, however the earth does end up flipping upside down?



Earth flipped on its side 84 million years ago...


Ever heard of Crustal Displacement Thoery?
Einstein did. Vought has.
Earth Crust Displacement

The theory of Earth crust displacement suggests that the Earth’s crust is not a fixed, immobile structure, but can move independently of the mantle beneath it. Hapgood believed that the crust could move along lines of weakness, such as the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, causing massive geological changes. He proposed that the last major displacement occurred about 11,000 to 12,000 years ago, causing the end of the last ice age and the destruction of Atlantis.

1. What is Earth Crust Displacement theory?
Earth Crust Displacement (ECD) is a controversial theory that suggests that the Earth’s crust can move independently of the mantle beneath it, causing catastrophic events such as earthquakes, tsunamis, and ice ages.

2. Who proposed the theory of Earth Crust Displacement?
The theory of Earth Crust Displacement was proposed by Charles Hapgood in the mid-20th century.

3. What evidence supports Earth Crust Displacement theory?
Some evidence that has been put forth to support Earth Crust Displacement theory includes the alignment of ancient civilizations with certain geological features, as well as a sudden change in the Earth’s magnetic field around 12,000 years ago, which could be a sign of a significant shift in the crust.

Earth crustal displacement hypothesis
Charles Hapgood is now perhaps the best remembered early proponent of the hypothesis that some climate changes and ice ages could be explained by large sudden shifts of the geographic poles. In his books The Earth's Shifting Crust (1958) (which includes a foreword by Albert Einstein)[15][16] and Path of the Pole (1970), Hapgood speculated that accumulated polar ice mass destabilizes Earth's rotation, causing crustal displacement but not disturbing Earth's axial orientation. Hapgood argued that shifts (of no more than 40 degrees) occurred about every 5,000 years, interrupting 20,000- to 30,000-year periods of polar stability. He cited recent North Pole locations in Hudson Bay (60°N, 73°W), the Atlantic Ocean between Iceland and Norway (72°N, 10°E) and the Yukon (63°N, 135°W).[17] However, in his subsequent work The Path of the Pole, Hapgood conceded Einstein's point that the weight of the polar ice is insufficient to cause polar shift. Instead, Hapgood argued that causative forces must be located below the surface.[18] Hapgood encouraged Canadian librarian Rand Flem-Ath to pursue scientific evidence backing Hapgood's claims. Flem-Ath published the results of this work in 1995 in When the Sky Fell co-written with his wife Rose.[19]

However, in his subsequent work The Path of the Pole, Hapgood conceded Einstein's point that the weight of the polar ice is insufficient to cause polar shift. Instead, Hapgood argued that causative forces must be located below the surface.

See this above. Doug Vought has gone into this in his work. A. The huge electromagnetic blast from the sun heats up the innder earth. B. The huge blast from the sun evaporates about 120 meters of water from the Oceans basically overnight, which ends up coming down as rain and huge huge huge amounts of snow that are snow drifts up to 19,000 feet high which is what you need to get ice glaciers like in the ice age that is ice glaciers 2 Kilometers high+, which would be enough weight at the poles to cause crustal displacement/polar shift.

In a forward to Hapgood's book Albert Einstein wrote: In a polar region there is a continual disposition of ice, which is not symmetrically distributed about the pole. The earth's rotation acts on these unsymmetrically deposited masses, and produces centrifugal momentum that is transmitted to the rigid crust of the earth.

To have a look at how our current pole shift is occuring, how fast it's occuring, and where it's expected to be... check out this video at 5 minutes 49 seconds onwards for a minute.

originally posted by: DaRAGE
Perhaps you just havn't thought of any other possibilities in regards to this angular momentum issue.

Maybe the Earth doesn't change its angular momentum, but keeps it, however the earth does end up flipping upside down?

It's interesting you should mention that. Did you hear about the soviet astronaut Dzhanibekov who in outer space noticed something like that happening with a wingut he removed? It kept its angular momentum, but would flip. The soviets wondered if that could happen to the Earth in which case it would be a doomsday scenario, so they kept that secret for 10 years. But what they didn't realize is that the mathematics for that goes back over a hundred years, so we understand the math of how it works.

It was dubbed the Dzhanibekov effect after that soviet astronaut, who thought he "discovered it", but he saw a very dramatic demonstration of how it worked in microgravity. Wikipedia calls it the tennis racket theorem or intermediate axis theorem, which "is a kinetic phenomenon of classical mechanics which describes the movement of a rigid body with three distinct principal moments of inertia."

I'll post a video below explaining it, but the important part for the earth is that it doesn't work on spheres, so there really wasn't a doomsday scenario for the Earth as Dzhanibekov feared. However the earth isn't a perfect sphere, but it's "fatter" near the equator, and since that is the most stable axis of rotation for the earth, it won't flip. In fact it's so stable that when the Earth's axis of rotation changes, it's no more than 1 degree per million years so that slow change doesn't result in any doomsday catastrophe. This video explains why rotating objects can flip and also why it won't happen with the earth as it is today:

The Bizarre Behavior of Rotating Bodies

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I don't think the last pole reversal was 780,000 years ago. And neither does Vought.

Well we are getting into semantics here. There are geomagnetic reversals and geomagnetic excursions. Wikipedia attempts to explain the difference:

Geomagnetic excursion

A geomagnetic excursion, like a geomagnetic reversal, is a significant change in the Earth's magnetic field. Unlike reversals, an excursion is not a "permanent" re-orientation of the large-scale field, but rather represents a dramatic, typically a (geologically) short-lived change in field intensity, with a variation in pole orientation of up to 45° from the previous position

A magnetic reversal 42,000 years ago.

Using the clarified definitions, that was an "excursion", not a reversal. Anyway do you think the ancient texts are 42,000 years old? What language were they in?

Earth flipped on its side 84 million years ago...

I didn't watch that video, but I already know the Earth has shifted the rotation axis a lot in the past, like between approximately 790 and 810 million years ago, when the supercontinent Rodinia existed. When the axis shifts at no more than 1 degree per million years, that slow change doesn't result in any doomsday catastrophe.

Ever heard of Crustal Displacement Thoery?
Einstein did. Vought has.

Yes, it's pseudoscience. Einstein told Hapgood there wasn't enough polar ice for his idea to work. Eventually, Hapgood even agreed with Einstein, that Einstein was right, there wasn't enough polar ice for his idea to work. Then he came up with another idea and that may be where it became pseudoscience.

Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis

The cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis is a pseudo-scientific claim that there have been recent, geologically rapid shifts in the axis of rotation of Earth, causing calamities such as floods and tectonic events[1] or relatively rapid climate changes.

There is evidence of precession and changes in axial tilt, but this change is on much longer time-scales and does not involve relative motion of the spin axis with respect to the planet. However, in what is known as true polar wander, the Earth rotates with respect to a fixed spin axis. Research shows that during the last 200 million years a total true polar wander of some 30° has occurred, but that no rapid shifts in Earth's geographic axial pole were found during this period.[2] A characteristic rate of true polar wander is 1° or less per million years.[3] Between approximately 790 and 810 million years ago, when the supercontinent Rodinia existed, two geologically rapid phases of true polar wander may have occurred. In each of these, the magnetic poles of Earth shifted by approximately 55° due to a large shift in the crust...

in his subsequent work The Path of the Pole, Hapgood conceded Einstein's point that the weight of the polar ice is insufficient to cause polar shift.

So shifts happened in the past, but not in a cataclysmic way, contrary to pseudoscientific claims by Hapgood and Vogt.

To have a look at how our current pole shift is occuring, how fast it's occuring, and where it's expected to be... check out this video at 5 minutes 49 seconds onwards for a minute.

When you're going back and forth between talking about pole shift (axis of rotation) and magnetic pole shift, it would be more clear if you referred to the magnetic pole shift as magnetic pole shift to distinguish it from the other pole shift you're talking about, which is not magnetic pole shift.

I did watch the one minute you suggested of that video. Both that video and astronomycafe.net agree that the magnetic field strength is decreasing. The video says it will reach 50% field strength reduction in the early 2030s. Astronomycafe says at the current rate of reduction it will reach 50% field strength reduction in ten centuries. Quite a discrepancy there, neither one may be accurate but I've seen before Davidson twist his interpretations to match his doomsday predictions, so I don't trust anything he says. Magnetic field strength bounces around a lot, and has during the last 780,000 years since the last magnetic pole reversal. Before that, it bounces even lower, when there are magnetic reversals.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Look, you create some really great points.
I don't have the time at the moment to write out more stuff in response. I'll try to formulate a response over the coming few days or week and get back to you.