How far ahead is classified government or deep state technology?

I think they got UFO technology in the 1940s, so that is more than 50 years ago! And they stole some secrets from Tesla they haven't revealed yet, and that was over 100 years ago! Holy smokes! They really might get around to keeping secrets for over 200 years!

The government or deep state do not have classified technology that is far ahead.

Private compenies may have some classified technology to keep ahead the competition , but they are not that far ahead.

State of the art isn't far from the publish one.



Things might change with AI.



There are no Extra Terrestrial that ANY human know of.
No such things as FTL or teleportation.

a reply to: darkbake

Tesla was the visionary behind the Niagara falls hydroelectric plant.
The design was implemented very effectively so Tesla obviously wasn't a crackpot.
A lot of the new science attributed to Tesla probably was developed from a collaboration of different sources though.
Even in more modern times, new technology coming to market often requires a screening of potential developers.

a reply to: Bordon81

Tesla was the visionary behind the Niagara falls hydroelectric plant

The worlds first hydroelectric system was built in 1878. So no credit for Tesla for hydroelectricity.

In 1878, the world's first hydroelectric power scheme was developed at Cragside in Northumberland, England by William Armstrong

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a reply to: dude1

Have you seen some of the things that the likes of DARPA are working on dude1?

There state of the art is about 10-20 years down the line by my guesstimation.

As to your other assessments, im on the fence there but just keep in mind "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

We are able to teleport information and while human teleportation currently exists only in science fiction, teleportation is possible now in the subatomic world of quantum mechanics.

As to FTL transport, at one point Man though if he went over 50Mph the sky would fall, or that we would never fly and that the sound barrier was the limit, look at us now?

a reply to: andy06shake

Just because DARPA is working on it doesn't mean it works though. There are plenty of failed R&D programs out there that saw millions pumped into them. There are areas the military is a few years ahead, but probably not more than 10, and most of those are areas we wouldn't really use in the civilian world. There are areas in the civilian world that the military would kill to be where they are.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Even the failures manage to produce data that shows how not to do a thing through.

I imagine its a six and half a dozen situation Zaphod58 with one hand washing the other military and commercially speaking at least in some areas and fields.

Take for instance our smart phones where apparently around 95% of the technologies contained within came from military applications or so i have heard.

a reply to: andy06shake

Sure they do, but enough money pumped into a program that fails sees said program go away and not come back. At least until tech might reach the point it won't fail. Even then it might bite you in the ass.

We get a lot more tech from the military than most people believe. But in a lot of cases its a civilian company getting their hands on something the military developed, and taking bits of it and putting it in a product with what they had developed and getting a new product.

a reply to: Zaphod58

So where do you see the next big technological innovation or revolution landing in the next few years?

Do you think fusion will materialise in the next decade or so?

What about small scale commercial nuclear reactors, will they will become mainstream anytime soon?

Because im thinking the next big technological change and revolution has to be in the way we produce, store, and utilise energy, else we are going to be rather stumped to power some of the toys that they have in the pipeline imho.

a reply to: andy06shake

I've heard interesting rumors about fusion and a possible timeline. That does appear to be an area they're ahead in, mostly because of the "Not In My Back Yard" mentality that surrounds anything that even resembles nuclear power. I think we're going to see some interesting developments in the next five or six years.

Nuclear won't see much in the civilian world, because even saying that word is Bad and will have people jumping down your throat.

Optics is going to see a pretty radical shift in the near future too I suspect.

In the next 5 years ?
Image audio and maybe video synthesis by AI. (example , open ai , deepmind)
BCI (example , Kernel , neuralink)

small scale commercial nuclear reactors ? Just for space (kilopower reactor)

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: andy06shake

Just because DARPA is working on it doesn't mean it works though. There are plenty of failed R&D programs out there that saw millions pumped into them. There are areas the military is a few years ahead, but probably not more than 10, and most of those are areas we wouldn't really use in the civilian world. There are areas in the civilian world that the military would kill to be where they are.

That's right.

DARPA's mission is to investigate the tech. It may work, it may not.

I worked with them for a few years a while ago. They have some *very* smart and very open minded folks.

Their mission is to screen *in*. Not screen out.

Huge difference - especially in the military or in this case under the DoD.

This is a question I actually know a thing or two about, and it really depends on the department of government and the level of clearance associated with the technology. Obviously it is common practice for our government to create, purchase and even steal new technologies and subsequently exhaust every potential military, surveillance and authoritarian application the technology could serve before releasing it for public consumption.
the level of clearance varies based on factors like how many other governments possess the technology, the level of public concern regarding the technology and so forth.. So things like human experimentation require far higher clearance than what is required for animal experimentation. And so with 30 years as a rule of thumb, it could be expounded that the level of military technology is around 50 years ahead of consumer technology, whereas the level of technological advancement for engineering and programming technologies are more like 20 years ahead of consumers, because the governments have a vested interest in what new technologies will emerge from the private sector in things like manufacturing and fabrication industries.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Theres been huge advances in solar as well you can now take yourself off the energy grid for a couple of grand. This opens up whole new areas for people to build as well. So nuclear is no longer needed and not really worth the hassles.

wccftech.com...

What about applications that require higher power output like military? Those nuclear powered subs should run on solar right?

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a reply to: HarveyHammerhead

Seems to me you should know a thing or two about paragraphs never mind classified government technology.

Hence my ambivalence to entertain that word salad.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: dude1

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

To think of such coincidence that I watched The Mangler last night lol

Best guess has been approximately 40 to 60 years on average, 20 years ago.

Mainly because it is classified, not that it's any thing super special. More often than not, controlled technology is a national security asset that can't be released for obvious reasons.

What we have today, the government has had for decades. Best example, military had its own secure Internet, before civilians even knew Internet existed.

Just imagine what they have now.

a reply to: AutomateThis1

Never seen that, any good?

Board silly with lock down and all that jazz.

a reply to: andy06shake

Most definitely. It's got Robert Englund and Ted Levine. (That's Freddy Krueger and Buffalo Bill for those of you unaware.)

It's a 90s horror and almost comically campy flick about a demon that possesses mechanical equipment, specifically an old creepy Tim Burton gothic styled mangle, i.e. an industrial laundry press.

That quote reminded me of the movie because Bill Levine, who plays a detective in the movie, says that in the movie.


Another one I'd recommend is Phantasm.