Gates Bankrolling Educational Org That Says Math is Racist

a reply to: blueman12

My wife is Ecuadorian & she's never heard it, neither have her family. It's plain BS.

a reply to: blueman12

You have clearly lost touch with reality. Try again.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

This is entirely too much Math Talk for a FRIDAY!

originally posted by: ketsuko
Btw, Sooks, for you calculator, you also rewrote the equation by adding the "x" order. You chose the second of the two notations my husband wrote out.

I did not. The calculator chose that expression. Look at the image capture, top left hand corner, more closely.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I imagine a group of surgeons standing over Bill Gates' anaesthetised body, muttering to themselves:

"Mkay, so what are some possibilities with regards the urgent care of this patient, remembering there are no wrong answers, and the insurance pays out in all cases where the objectivity of paternalism was rejected in favour of a multicultural unpacking of what may have been intended by the persons who claim to be authorities yet clearly decry the trueness of a non-objective binary decision making process as such is known to be disaffecting BAME communities when they get jiggy with LatinX interpretations..?"

originally posted by: Specimen88
It even worse, 1+1= 2.

Someone needs to sit you down and explain how 1+1 often equals 3...especially during pandemic lock downs.

Math is an abstract concept that only exists as thoughts in a human mind. Numbers have no objective reality, you can't point at a number and say, "Look, there it is". The most you can do is point at a symbol or hold up some fingers, or apples or whatever because no numbers literally exist in reality. Math has no objective existence, but it works really well as a scientific language to describe reality and advance humanity.

So, you guys can stop having a math class in this thread and get to real meat and potatoes of this issue, and it has ZERO to do with math or equations. IMO, this has everything to do with the control of information, it's use for consolidating their power and trying to keep it away from the common citizens to prevent them from gaining power and becoming a threat.

And don't make the mistake of thinking they will stop at math, every academic discipline will be destroyed and made into nonsense to move their agenda forward and civilization backward.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: Sookiechacha

I imagine a group of surgeons standing over Bill Gates' anaesthetised body, muttering to themselves:

"Mkay, so what are some possibilities with regards the urgent care of this patient, remembering there are no wrong answers, and the insurance pays out in all cases where the objectivity of paternalism was rejected in favour of a multicultural unpacking of what may have been intended by the persons who claim to be authorities yet clearly decry the trueness of a non-objective binary decision making process as such is known to be disaffecting BAME communities when they get jiggy with LatinX interpretations..?"

Those doctors employed by the elite will have been educated without most of that programming. Likely not so for Dr. Joe Schmoe that got the other education for the masses. That conversation will be over your body, not Bill Gates' body.

I was talking about Bill Gates pushing Common Core here years ago. Now he's pushing bizarro DNA/RNA modifying vaccines. I also posted on his depopulation speech on Ted Talks.
Alex Jones does a hilarious spoof on his pink sweater.

a reply to: Sookiechacha



It was rewritten. Do you see the "x" added to the equation and the second set of parenthesis to make it less ambiguous?

It effectively makes it the second of the 2 notations my husband wrote:



And again, I will point out that none of it changes that 2+2 is still 4, and 8/2 is still going to be 4 as well no matter how you work it.

a reply to: ketsuko

It was rewritten. Do you see the "x" added to the equation and the second set of parenthesis to make it less ambiguous?

I do. The calculator automatically added the "X" between the set of parenthesis. Look in the upper left hand corner of the image. 8/2(2+2), That's the equation that I typed in. I didn't type in two sets of parenthesis, with an "x" between parenthesis.

In other words, I typed in 8/2(2+2) into my search engine, and its calculator changed it to (8/2)X(2+2) = 16

Whereas Edumacated worked the problem differently.

I only know of one way to do it. Add the parenthesis first... you get 4. then 2*4=8. So 8 / 8 = 1.

The point is, there isn't always just one "right answer". One must know and apply a "rule" to get the answer that Edumacated came up with. One my calculator doesn't seem to know.

Academia is about teaching the rules in order to come up with the "right answer".

Just think - in 20 years these students will be designing cars and airplanes.

We'll be safer. You'll see. 🙄

a reply to: Sookiechacha

There is an established, universally accepted order of operations that applies to interpreting mathematical expressions:

Parentheses have the highest precedence and can be used to force an expression to evaluate in the order you want. Since expressions in parentheses are evaluated first, 2 * (3-1) is 4, and (1+1)**(5-2) is 8. You can also use parentheses to make an expression easier to read, as in (minute * 100) / 60, even though it doesn’t change the result.

Exponentiation has the next highest precedence, so 2**1+1 is 3 and not 4, and 3*1**3 is 3 and not 27. Can you explain why?

Multiplication and both division operators have the same precedence, which is higher than addition and subtraction, which also have the same precedence. So 2*3-1 yields 5 rather than 4, and 5-2*2 is 1, not 6.

Operators with the same precedence (except for **) are evaluated from left-to-right. In algebra we say they are left-associative. So in the expression 6-3+2, the subtraction happens first, yielding 3. We then add 2 to get the result 5. If the operations had been evaluated from right to left, the result would have been 6-(3+2), which is 1.

Such things are not really up for debate, and apply equally to anyone interested in using mathematics. There is an absolute, universal outcome of the expression 8/2(2+2), and that fact is incontrovertible.

Two points I would like to add though:

1) IMO any initiative to "remove racism from mathematics" is probably not something that Gates himself dreamed up, but likely some SJW functionary (and probably not a bright one) within his sprawling universe of non-profit organizations. Bill Gates may be a lot of things, but he is not ignorant of fundamental rules of math, having been at one time a very accomplished software engineer. That doesn't remove responsibility from quashing such foolishness, though, and ultimately if his organization perpetuates such idiocy, he is accountable for it.

2) When you venture into the realm of /computer algorithms/, there are actually varying approaches to solving problems, based on tradeoffs of the implementation strategy (computational cost vs consumption of computer memory space vs preserving ordering of duplicate numbers in a sequence vs complexity of reading and understanding the solution). Nevertheless, nothing about different problem solving strategies has one iota to do with race or culture or what color socks you're wearing.

If one is truly a proponent of science and data-driven problem solving, then they must reject this idiocy, and scrutinize and discard the blathering of such people that promulgate such 'pseudo-science' (which even that term is not harsh enough a criticism)

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Thanks.

Parentheses have the highest precedence and can be used to force an expression to evaluate in the order you want. Since expressions in parentheses are evaluated first, 2 * (3-1) is 4, and (1+1)**(5-2) is 8. You can also use parentheses to make an expression easier to read, as in (minute * 100) / 60, even though it doesn’t change the result.

This a "rule". If you don't know the rule, you won't get the "right answer". Rules make math subjective, not objective, in some cases.

Honestly, I have no room for racism in my argument. My argument is that, sometimes, certain kinds of students are lost between the cracks because of the methods in which these rules are presented. Academia tends to be quite rigid.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Thanks.

Parentheses have the highest precedence and can be used to force an expression to evaluate in the order you want. Since expressions in parentheses are evaluated first, 2 * (3-1) is 4, and (1+1)**(5-2) is 8. You can also use parentheses to make an expression easier to read, as in (minute * 100) / 60, even though it doesn’t change the result.

This a "rule". If you don't know the rule, you won't get the "right answer". 1. Rules make math subjective, not objective, in some cases.

Honestly, I have no room for racism in my argument. My argument is that, sometimes, certain kinds of students are lost between the cracks because of the methods in which these rules are presented. 2. Academia tends to be quite rigid.

1. Math is the language of the universe. They aren't just rules. They're laws. Take up your grievance with the creator.

2. Because accuracy matters. We didn't get to the moon by f**king up the math over invented racism.

a reply to: ketsuko

Also so no one can do a start up to, maybe at some point, compete with good ol' Microsoft...

He's a Robber Baron, plain and simple. He's got his, so no one else is going to.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Tell that to a quark.

Everything in mathematic, and most every science, which most assuredly includes particle physics, start with the simple concrete notion that 2+2 equals 4.

Everything is based off of that.

a reply to: Quantumgamer1776

Half a second?? That long??

...and yes, to answer your question, it does seem we're headed in that direction.

It's a very concerning thought that one day in the not so distant future, that someone like myself, while being fairly intellignet and somewhat educated, may be at the top of the food chain in both catagories...

That should concern people. It certainly concerns me!!

a reply to: Sookiechacha

8 divided by 8 is always going to be 1.

There's no other answer that is correct. No matter how you twist it, and turn it. You may pretend it's otherwise all you wish, but it's still 1.

a reply to: seagull

For the purposes of the equation under debate, there is a reason why the division sign used in it is almost never seen by the time you get to a certain level of math, and it's all written in fraction notation with numerator and denominator and the understanding that the fraction is division.

But for the purposes of teaching kids the basics of math, they can understand the idea of dividing one group into equal groups much easier and quicker than they can grasp the concept of a fraction, so we have the division sign and the four basic operations: addition, subtraction, multiplication and division.