Poland fights Big Tech - Will Fine Big Tech $13.5 Million Per Case For Removing Ideological Content

a reply to: ManFromEurope

lol, I take it you agree with what I put from that?

originally posted by: deckdel
a reply to: infolurker

I love Poland and Polish stand for human right for freedom of though and speech, and against oppressive ideologies. This could be something for US Democrats to take learning from.

Yeah right,unless you're a homosexual or a black.

I dislike that Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Instagram etc. is mandatory to use. I personally had to sign up under threat of my first born being murdered. It's like owning a TV all over again....

I dislike it being a private company whose terms you have to agree to before you sign up for it. Same for McDonalds. Have to put on my clothes to buy a hamburger? How outrageous. How dare they tell me what I can and cannot do in their store....

Despite knowing the risks and consequences I chose to stop using facebook because I do not like how they do business. Sadly I'm now on at least 10 different governments "Most Wanted" lists as a result.
But freedom of speech is that important to me.

I know I could go make my own website/forum with my own rules and use it to push my own agendas and narratives, but the five minutes that would take is too much effort for me.

Plus those damn hosting companies would expect me to obey their rules too. Yeah I could host the website on my own server at home. But that would mean I have to use an ISP to connect to the internet and obey their rules.
I mean I deserve to watch WandaVision, it's my right of birth. How dare they tell me I cannot pirate using their carrier service. Who do they think they are?

So I'll keep connecting to the web using my psychic powers like I am here.

I tell you, free will is a terrible thing. But alas I am cursed to use it.

Thank goodness though, we have a public domain site like ATS that has no financial interests, where no one is pushing anything, where we can say anything we like without fear of moderation. I know I'll never ever see a "post removed" message here.... plus it's nice to have a place to get away from biased U.S politics that are now everyone in the online world....

hmmmm, any way I seem to have lost my train of thought, what were we talking about again?

Oh, that's right protecting certain freedoms, that thing we can willingly choose to ignore because using those freedoms we say we will die for require too much effort to put into practice....

But seriously, end of the day the problem isn't facebook etc. It's that people willingly sign up, use and continue to use them when they damn well know what such private businesses are like.

I don't like facebook, but like bakeries and gay wedding cakes, I respect it is up to the management how they run the business which they own. Just like I respect that by being on ATS I agree to abide by the rules they set out.

The only problem I see here with social media, is just like with TV, that humans are too stupid to learn where the off button is. That humans are so stupid they'll will bitch and complain about something then continue to use and support it.

Kind of funny how people go on about how bad nanny states and government regulation etc is, then applaude when the government nannies them and regulates them....
It's kind of like how people keep electing the same governments they bitch about over and over every few years expecting something will change..... 2 sides of the same double headed coin that cannot see the other side is a mirror of themselves....

tl;dr: Don't like what a company is doing? Don't use their services. Don't like their EULA or Terms Of Service? Don't agree to them.

Be the change you want to see or sumfin', or continue with the impotent rage tail chasing. After all it's on you how you use that 'freewill' and 'freedumbs' you have, no one else.

I mean we are all adults here yes?
(Don't want to make assumptions, I mean ya'll could be 12 for all I know or care. It would certainly explain a lot if many ATS users actually were lol.)


Turn off SBS, forget Mary Kostikidis.
Time has come for us to choose,
Infotainment over news.



Amazing how old this song is now, yet it still rings true. Oh well, that's humans for you. Stuck going around in circles for eternity.

Too much and not all my opinion was good or even agreed with in all aspects by myself.

But basically I thoroughly agree with Poland.

originally posted by: wdkirk
The US should be leading this fight and stomping Facebook and Twitter into bankruptcy court for trying to legislate speech.

With Biden in office and his majority crew in congress, that won't happen because they love the censoring because it favors the left. Even though it is treasonous they support it.

But this is great news that Poland is going to do this. And other's following suit. Can't wait to see the first big fat fines levied against big tech scum.

a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

i hate when people use that rules exist so its fine argument you just used, same kind of mindset that people used to excuse segregation and the same mindset that allows airports to violate peoples rights daily in the name of security.

eventually America will have corporate owned private police in every town and city who can operate much the same as facebook, arbitrarily enforcing their own rules and arresting people for speech, sending them to private courts they also own and convicting them, then imprisoning them in private prisons they also own.

letting facebook and co keep behaving this way is setting the stage for corporations to usurp the authority of government and replace laws with their own, tech based modern feudalism will reign if laws regarding corporations aren't changed soon.

might seem harmless to you and many others right now but things have a tendency of getting out of control if left alone too long, especially when money and ideology is involved.

The problem is that destroying rules that were placed in to PROTECT society just so some vocal minority whom are NOT being enslaves, NOT being tortured but just want to do things that majority find alien and antisocial can then do what they want is simply not correct.

Worse there are those among them that want to OPPRESS heterosexuals, call us BREEDERS and even want to legalize child abuse something they are doing through the back door already with sex education for three years old's, teaching little boys to wear skirts and play mermaids.

Were does it stop, were does the lunatic left stop, when our kids are abused on the alters of Satan worshipping sicko's, when our homes are burned to the ground, our beliefs scattered to the winds.

Just so someone can call little boy's Twink's and abuse them.

And you know who loses all there rights in the end, WOMAN.

History learn it, Greece, men and men on men relationships were just part of there culture but WOMAN were not even allowed to attend sports, they were PROPERTY of there husband and only there to have kid's, they found strong woman alluring certainly and told tales of the likely very real Amazon's (whom were actually an equal society were woman and men fought side by side they did not cut off there breast) because to men to whom woman were submissive it was erotic to conquer ones that were not.

originally posted by: namehere
a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

Wouldn't get out of control if people had some self control to begin with.
All these sites are voluntary to join and use.
If you dislike them, don't use them.

sumthin' sumthin' freewill.

This is the problem with the world.

Waiting for government and regulation to fix problems we can fix ourselves.

But instead become bigger problems because we wait and let government and regulations fix it. Over and over and over again.

I just cannot help but chuckle at people who complain about platforms and services but still continue to use them.

I quit facebook ages ago. Still no ill consequences to my life or ability to function in society. A-M-A-Z-I-N-G

It did fix a lot of problems though. Only time I see or hear about Covid, racism, homophobia, U.S politics and much much more where I live is when I turn my intertubes or the TellyVision on.

Amazingly they all vanished the moment I turned my computer and TV off and took a walk down the street.

PC/TV on, visit websites and social medias: bad stuff in the world.

PC/TV off, avoid websites and social medias: bad stuff gone.

PC/TV on, visit websites and social medias: bad stuff in the world.

I think I am seeing a pattern personally.

It's quite the amazing phenomenon. Scientists really should study it.
I'm sure we could learn something from researching the seemingly magic power the on/off button seems to have on reality.

Then again. I guess I could just keep on social media and the interwebz like a 'NPC' and hope the corrupt politicians will save me.

Personally controlling that which I interact with in life is time consuming, government thinking for me could free up hours of time I could be using to watch reality TV while fooling myself into believing it's actually real and other methods of sticking my head in the sand.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
Too much and not all my opinion was good or even agreed with in all aspects by myself.

But basically I thoroughly agree with Poland.

Do you agree with Poland that any posts or comments you make that are critical of the current government should be banned? They are very selective about how free they really want speech to be.

a reply to: uncommitted

That is not the debate so why are you wanting to lead it off thread.

If that were the case on that point I would have to say NO!, simply because every government is worthy of critique regardless.

No Government ever serves EVERY member of society but in a democratic society the principle is that at least they should serve the majority whom voted them into power, not always true but it is the idea behind democratic rule.

What is free speech, are the cancel culture nut jobs about free speech - no they are not.

Is someone calling for white genocide free speech - no it is not it is HATE speech.

Poland is a highly religious society, some people don't like that and want it to join the rest of the world in casual sex, high levels of STDs and abortion as a form of contraceptive with a minority of woman claiming it is there body when in fact it is NOT it is actually as much there Foetus body until it is born, they want it to not be human but the more we learn the further back we find that it has brain waves, a separate heart beat etc so it is a little human being, do human right's not cover children, are children not the future of our race, do we really have to kill them so some selfish person can dispose of them as inconvenient, then the elderly, then the disabled all inconvenient were does it stop.

a reply to: LABTECH767

It is the debate because the OP is misleading. If you can only post what the Polish government want you to post it's censorship.

The fact you may approve of their abortion laws and the fact that people who don't approve of them aren't allowed to voice that opinion on social media in Poland doesn't make it free speech, it just means they are silencing the voices you clearly don't want to hear.

a reply to: uncommitted

Of course I approve of there abortion law, killing kids is killing kids get it, do you want to kill kid's just because they are inconvenient, just for selfish reason's.

Those that think abortion is acceptable (it is in cases of incest, rape and underage which is the same as - worse than - rape in my book as well as when the mothers life is in danger or the foetus does not have a head or something but only then) are sorely deluded and anti human, selfish and hateful of unborn children.

RECREATIONAL abortion is a disgusting malpractice of the medical profession, it is a breach of the hypocritic oath and an abuse against the human rights of the unborn child which the UN needs to revise except that they are a bunch of hypocrites and the WHO is privately funded so only wants to cull human numbers so is not going to do anything about it.

I also happen to believe in God and KNOW that those that choose to have an abortion will answer to him, those that carry it out especially those that do it multiple times are not going anywhere nice.

a reply to: LABTECH767

You are missing the point completely. Just because you are fine with it doesn't mean people who aren't - and it was a very contentious law that was not voted for by the public - shouldn't be allowed to voice their feelings.

If you think otherwise then you are just a hypocrite.

a reply to: uncommitted

Sorry NO I hold human life sacred especially that of children and the unborn, it is a very sad and evil world we live in when that is no longer the case because if life means so little to some people then how can they be trusted with ANYONE's life.

Is it NOT a governments duty to protect the nations Children, including the unborn? do they not also represent there interests, are the majority that you claim are in favour including these voiceless children in that assessment, obviously not so as a government that seem to be taking there duty's seriously should then ignore the well being of these unborn citizen's?.


Also in Poland's particular case they NEED there kid's, they would have a far larger population than today had NAZI Germany and the Russians (Who at first were allies of the NAZI's and invaded the other half of the country) not massacred them in WW2 (After WW2 the Russians murdered the free poles that returned from the west - and undesirable Czech's and others from the nations they annexed at the end of the war (they paid particular attention to ridding themselves of potentially problematic Pole's however), except the communist ones of course whom were already there ideological allies because they feared they would organize and rise up against Russian rule since they had just spend nearly six years fighting against other occupiers), it is also necessary for Poland's future if they stay in the EU because population size is also power in the block.

So it is actually in the Interests of Poland from a political perspective to grow there population to gain power in the block, this growth in power will also make them richer as a nation and equates to each and every citizen of Poland then being more powerful as an individual than they would be if they came from a nation with a smaller population, currently German and France rule the roost which is another reason we Brit's got out but Poland are being very clever and also it happens to be ethical.

Besides what is to stop them going over the border?, the EU is open borders between member states and all public services are open to all EU citizens.
So why should Poland have to allow it to happen on there soil, it's heinous to say the least that it does anywhere.

a reply to: LABTECH767

It was a simple question, I didn't need war and peace. So you don't mind other peoples freedom of speech being taken away if their views differ from your own. Fine, so you are against free speech and are just a hypocrite.

originally posted by: Bunch
a reply to: infolurker
Good ole Hungary. The right wing authoritarianism wet dream.

Except its the left wing that is authoritarian ..

nice try though.

a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

Despite knowing the risks and consequences I chose to stop using facebook because I do not like how they do business. Sadly I'm now on at least 10 different governments "Most Wanted" lists as a result. But freedom of speech is that important to me.

Tuned out here.

I call BS

And this..

I dislike that Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Instagram etc. is mandatory to use

originally posted by: LeoStarchild

originally posted by: Bunch
a reply to: infolurker
Good ole Hungary. The right wing authoritarianism wet dream.

Except its the left wing that is authoritarian ..

nice try though.

So a government that bans an ideology is authoritarian, correct?

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

Despite knowing the risks and consequences I chose to stop using facebook because I do not like how they do business. Sadly I'm now on at least 10 different governments "Most Wanted" lists as a result. But freedom of speech is that important to me.

Tuned out here.

I call BS

And this..

I dislike that Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Instagram etc. is mandatory to use

It's okay, sometimes things go over my head too.

a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

So you can show where it’s mandatory then?