A Doctor’s View About the New mRNA Vaccines

a reply to: marg6043

Oh aye big pharmaceuticals are bastards of the first order down to the fact that palliative cares are far more profitable that actual cures.

That being said, picture the world without them, and it may be a far worse off place to exist.

A necessary evil or maybe not so much?

If only "they" cared for there livestock further than the national insurance numbers issues at birth as much as they do profits and monies.

a reply to: Cigarettes

Hey ... I am also a doctor, and have seen tons of conflicting 'evidence' about COVID-19, from start, to current time.

A person's health care is the most basic 'choice' they have, of how to handle their own mortality, IMHO.

I would say whomever may want to take the mRNA vaccine, it is your choice in most cases, and tons of people want this vaccine, for personal reasons and more. So be it.

Occasionally though, circumstances may 'force' a person to take this vaccine for reasons other than 'choice, and if you find yourself in that situation, you are not without options.

For the rare person in that circumstance, if you want to make the vaccine less effective, you can freely take tylenol, ibuprofen, and drink alcohol to throttle down your immune response as much as possible, if needed, short term.

You didn't 'hear' this from me.

a reply to: Fowlerstoad

Interesting!

What’s your field/specialty? What is your main practice? And I’m very curious to hear about your experiences with this virus snd this “vaccine.” Also, would you take it? Or have you?

Thanks for sharing!

a reply to: Cigarettes

Whats interesting - the Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine is not in there. It is also left out of a lot of other reports also. This one is not an mRNA vaccine. Not sure if I heard too many bad reports on this one.

One thing for certain - It seems the mRNA vaccines are getting a LOT of bad reports. Pfizer and Moderna are mRNA technology.

a reply to: KansasGirl

Hey, thank you for your questions ... I will do my best to answer:

I am a general pathologist, practicing pathology and laboratory medicine, with a few patients on the side (mostly loved ones, and good friends, etc.), to keep my general practice skills from completely disappearing.

I have been watching this virus from the start, last December, 2020. I believe it hit my area before we even started testing, and the first batches of test kits we got were wrong about half the time (25% false positive, 25% false negative, approximately). We have been actually doing a 'good' job testing in my opinion since August, 2020. In my opinion, at this time COVID-19 is waning in my area of central Illinois, with our current testing revealing a positive test rate of 7.6% over the past 7 days, while it is 11.9% if you include all tests conducted since March, 2020 -- which is definitely a downward trend. I actually wish they would lighten up on our restrictions, because IMHO it is pretty much clinically 'almost over' here, but alas, we are still largely locked down.

I have had the vaccine. I chose to take it mainly for paperwork, and for travel. It was not forced upon me, and when I took it, I indeed took tylenol and ibuprofen with both shots, and drank alcohol when not on call for the hospital, because I really didn't so much want the vaccine effect, as the paperwork that went with it. I am healthy overall with good nutrition, and already take zinc, vitamin D, vitamin C, and melatonin; so, I feel like if I actually get COVID, I can fight it off, not being in any high risk groups, also with blood type O, which is helpful.

At first, when the vaccine was initially given at my institution, I didn't hear about any significant reactions to it. However, we have been giving it to employees since December 2020, and now other patient groups are being vaccinated. There have now been a number of vaccine-related incidents. Last week a 17 year old male got the vaccine, and later (not sure the time lag) developed that ITP (idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura) that has been talked about associated with this vaccine in another thread here on ATS already. His platelet count dropped to 7000 (critically low), and we transferred him off to the Children's hospital in Springfield, Illinois. That is the most significant reaction so far.

Another reaction I saw was kind of incidental, but worth mentioning: I saw biopsies from a middle aged woman with a breast mass, and swollen axillary lymph nodes in her arm pit area. Her breast mass was benign (not cancer - a fibroadenoma), and the lymph node was reactive / benign. Come to find out, she had received the COVID-19 vaccination 2 days prior to the ultrasound that identified her axillary lymph node ON THE SAME SIDE WHERE SHE HAD HER COVID SHOT, and that was the reason it was enlarged, which caused quite a panic, leading everyone involved to believe this lady had metastatic carcinoma of the breast!

Now, at my hospital, we are considering telling patients to wait a month after their COVID vaccinations to get their screening mammograms, to try to avoid this issue in the future. I did a web search, and it looks like this phenomenon is happening at plenty of other hospitals also. Interesting times!

a reply to: Fowlerstoad

Thank you SO much for your reply! I really appreciate it!

You mention that you think you all have been doing a good job of testing since August- did something change? Did you start using a different test then, or different protocols?

What’s your opinion on the severity of the virus? How would you compare it to the flu? Do you think that the lockdowns and everything was necessary/the right thing to do?

Thanks so much. There are so many second and third hand stories out there, and rumors, etc., so I’m thrilled to be talking to an actual doctor (who sees patients AND practices pathology and lab medicine!! ding ding ding!) with actual experience with this thing! Sharing your thoughts with us is especially valuable!

About those masks,

awakeandaware.ca...

Did you know the masks are slowly killing you? It’s like wearing a petri dish. Creates gum and sinus infections, cuts down oxygen levels well below safe levels according to OSHA making an unsafe working environment. Neurologists are now saying the masks due to lack of oxygen are actually creating brain damage.

Which explains a lot with our present leaders and their misinformed minions demanding you wear a mask.  You are not virtu signaling by wearing a mask you are showing how incredibly, ignorant, uninformed, conditioned and controlled you are concerning the real science verses lame stream media hype and hysteria science.

a reply to: PillarOfFire

And yet Infectious disease experts say whilst masks are an imperfect defence against the coronavirus evidence has mounted that when combined with social distancing, and frequent hand washing, they can indeed slow the spread of the COVID 19 pathogen, their primary benefit is not to the individual wearer, but to others around them.

Until we manage to vaccinate our respective populations against this deadly pathogen, masks and other PPE are the only tools we have at our disposable that may retard the spread and help decrease of the R rate in any given area.

End of the day we need to use the tools that we have at our disposal because that's all we have.

www.nature.com...
www.cdc.gov...

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: caterpillage
Hmm. Let's say a mysterious group of super wealthy highly connected idealists decided they wanted to reduce the population of the planet to, oh let's say, 500 million or so. You know, in harmony with nature, what would be a good way to get the majority of useless eaters to go willingly to the slaughter?

Invent a virus, plant it in China and tell everyone it's the China virus?

Yes, except China is a willing participant and blame Trump as a distraction because the sheep will follow.

originally posted by: incoserv
As a friend put it, I never buy a car in its first model year. Better to give it a couple of years and let the kinks get worked out, let other suckers buy the potential lemons.

Of course, if the car is built around unproven experimental technology that kills a large percentage of its occupants, I'd be more inclined to just let others purchase while I sit it out and watch the fecal feature. Which is what I plan to do.

In 15 years there will be a late night infomercial: "Have you taken the Covid 19 vaccine and developed genetic mutations? Call us now to join the class action lawsuit!"

originally posted by: mkultra11

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: caterpillage
Hmm. Let's say a mysterious group of super wealthy highly connected idealists decided they wanted to reduce the population of the planet to, oh let's say, 500 million or so. You know, in harmony with nature, what would be a good way to get the majority of useless eaters to go willingly to the slaughter?

Invent a virus, plant it in China and tell everyone it's the China virus?

Yes, except China is a willing participant and blame Trump as a distraction because the sheep will follow.

The sheep believed Trump, you can see that on virtually any political thread on ATS

Go ahead and laugh at the conspiracy kooks when you get your non-vaccine/vaccination. Keep chuckling as you enjoy the reported side effects. Roar with laughter as you contemplate the fact this injection does nothing to prevent you from catching anything or from spreading anything. Your sides will hurt but not from laughing too hard when all is said and done. Save the last laugh for yourself for ever trusting the psychopaths we currently have in power.

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: mkultra11

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: caterpillage
Hmm. Let's say a mysterious group of super wealthy highly connected idealists decided they wanted to reduce the population of the planet to, oh let's say, 500 million or so. You know, in harmony with nature, what would be a good way to get the majority of useless eaters to go willingly to the slaughter?

Invent a virus, plant it in China and tell everyone it's the China virus?

Yes, except China is a willing participant and blame Trump as a distraction because the sheep will follow.

The sheep believed Trump, you can see that on virtually any political thread on ATS

Do you actually think China is the innocent bystander in this whole thing?

originally posted by: mkultra11

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: mkultra11

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: caterpillage
Hmm. Let's say a mysterious group of super wealthy highly connected idealists decided they wanted to reduce the population of the planet to, oh let's say, 500 million or so. You know, in harmony with nature, what would be a good way to get the majority of useless eaters to go willingly to the slaughter?

Invent a virus, plant it in China and tell everyone it's the China virus?

Yes, except China is a willing participant and blame Trump as a distraction because the sheep will follow.

The sheep believed Trump, you can see that on virtually any political thread on ATS

Do you actually think China is the innocent bystander in this whole thing?

As in do I think they manufactured and released the virus? There is nothing to back up such an assertion.

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: mkultra11

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: mkultra11

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: caterpillage
Hmm. Let's say a mysterious group of super wealthy highly connected idealists decided they wanted to reduce the population of the planet to, oh let's say, 500 million or so. You know, in harmony with nature, what would be a good way to get the majority of useless eaters to go willingly to the slaughter?

Invent a virus, plant it in China and tell everyone it's the China virus?

Yes, except China is a willing participant and blame Trump as a distraction because the sheep will follow.

The sheep believed Trump, you can see that on virtually any political thread on ATS

Do you actually think China is the innocent bystander in this whole thing?

As in do I think they manufactured and released the virus? There is nothing to back up such an assertion.

So, the answer is yes?

originally posted by: mkultra11

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: mkultra11

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: mkultra11

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: caterpillage
Hmm. Let's say a mysterious group of super wealthy highly connected idealists decided they wanted to reduce the population of the planet to, oh let's say, 500 million or so. You know, in harmony with nature, what would be a good way to get the majority of useless eaters to go willingly to the slaughter?

Invent a virus, plant it in China and tell everyone it's the China virus?

Yes, except China is a willing participant and blame Trump as a distraction because the sheep will follow.

The sheep believed Trump, you can see that on virtually any political thread on ATS

Do you actually think China is the innocent bystander in this whole thing?

As in do I think they manufactured and released the virus? There is nothing to back up such an assertion.

So, the answer is yes?

I'm saying that I have no opinion at the moment as there is zero to suggest this occurred by design. Who would you like to blame for ebola?

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Well your probably right about the psychopaths in power anyroad.

As apparently they gravitate towards such.

Allegedly quite a few being the CEO of major corporations and high up in politics, even amongst our aristocracy our side of the pond, psychopaths tend to come in all favours and size all the same, just like any other personally types.

Don't know about the rest all the same, we have all had COVID 19 in this house, and my Mrs has received the AstraZeneca vaccine because she is classed to be in the vulnerable group, down to her asthma, made her not well for about a day, but the COVID 19 put her flat on her arse for the better part fortnight.

Without vaccines Asktheanimals, this world would be a far harsher place to exist, for us and our children.

Take for instance the good Polio, Measles, and BCG vaccinations do, imagine a world without those?

a reply to: KansasGirl

Okay, well what I am going to say is mostly just my opinion based on local observations, and cross-talk with other healthcare providers and patients, whom I have spoken with directly.

As for the testing, in August we started getting much better test kits. Before that, they were kind of rushed out by the CDC, and were not as accurate as the batches we started to receive in August. I am not sure what the big difference was, other than there was more time to come up with more accurate kits, and to gain experience. No lab test is 100% accurate EVER (there is always an above zero chance for error / false positive or negative results). I think the supplier(s) may also have changed in August. The protocols were the same, and the only things that changed were the actual test kits, and maybe the lab methods in the places we sent the tests for interpretation. Things have gotten even better since we brought our testing 'local' into our own hospitals and even the physician's offices (there is now a rapid test!).

As for the severity of the virus - that is a 'loaded' question. For the people it has killed, it is terminally severe; however, USUALLY these people were vulnerable before they got COVID, for whatever reason(s). At our hospital, age is the worst single indicator for prognosis, but we had a 50 year old surgeon get a really severe case, and we had to send him out of town down to Barnes hospital in St. Louis, where admittedly they saved his life. He still is not back working yet. He needed to be intubated, and got a tracheotomy, because his upper airway closed off during his course. He also got blood clots in both legs, and suffered a pulmonary embolism.

For the majority of people though, the severity is not quite as severe as influenza. A lot of people (maybe up to 40%? a little under half?) who test positive do not even have symptoms at the time of testing. Losing taste and / or smell is a big differentiator between COVID symptoms and influenza.

About the lockdowns: at first they were necessary, probably even up until August or September, but after that we had a handle on COVID treatment, or at least enough of a handle on it that we were keeping the vast majority of people alive, even those that needed admittance to the ICU. We did run out of ICU beds at my hospital at the end of October, when we had our local case maximum ... during which time we started sending ICU patients out of town to Springfield, Illinois, where they have more ICU beds, and where the maximum had not actually hit yet. I am not sure the lockdowns were still helping at that time, but who knows? We did not get overwhelmed by this second wave. Did the lockdowns help or hurt? They seriously sucked from a social and mental health standpoint for a lot of people ... so I am not going to judge. By right now though the lockdowns are no longer helping at all, SO IMHO should be ended ASAP. They should have already been ended IMHO back in January at the latest, but whatever. *shrug* Politicians do not make good doctors, and good doctors rarely make good politicians, for a reason hahahah

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Asktheanimals


Take for instance the good Polio, Measles, and BCG vaccinations do, imagine a world without those?

Absolutely. This covid-19 “vaccine” doesn’t work like those, though, does it? It’s “gene therapy” and doesn’t contain any live or dead covid-19.

So it would be fabulous if they had a vaccine for covid-19 like they had for Polio, etc. But they don’t.

a reply to: KansasGirl

Fact is the vaccines work maybe not like the Polio or other vaccines i mentioned, but there effective so far to varying degrees at preventing the onset of serious COVID 19.

All i can say is that both COVID 19 vaccines that have been approved in the UK, the AstraZeneca and the Pfizer vaccine were apparently created at an impressive speed due to the large funding, resources and researchers that worked on the vaccines extensively.

The Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine has been tested on over 11,000 people and the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine on 43,500 before being approved for public use.

And whilst they were developed far quicker than the average 8-10 years required for previous vaccines, both vaccines have met the strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory board in this nation.

Ile take the vaccine when its offered, not to do so seems silly, but each to there own, what's for you will not go by you, or so they say.