Death of young Memphis surgeon who already had Covid antibodies before getting vaccinated...

a reply to: slatesteam

Vaccinated or not has no bearing for his case. He would have died no matter what.

What is more important in the article: they are # scared if this was a feature of the virus, more than of his immune system. Meaning, a new strand of virus, which can trigger auto-immune response. That would be a horror scenario.

originally posted by: deckdel
a reply to: slatesteam

Vaccinated or not has no bearing for his case. He would have died no matter what.

What is more important in the article: they are # scared if this was a feature of the virus, more than of his immune system. Meaning, a new strand of virus, which can trigger auto-immune response. That would be a horror scenario.

I’m confused. Is this a new horror 2.0?

Seems like this is what a cytokine storm is....

What’d I miss?

It sure isn’t the fact we all die...

Valar Morghulis and all...

a reply to: dontneedaname

I really do not know what they are playing at giving people that have already had the virus a vaccination, if they do it should be no less than one year after the infection and only a booster to keep there immunity up.

The concept of a vaccine is to get your immune system to produce antibody's that can fight the pathogen - bacteria or virus - that the vaccine is manufactured for.

So if you have already had a virus or bacteria and have fought it off and your body already has antibody's then you are already NATURALLY immunized against the virus for a period of time.

With this particular virus there is something odd, people fight it off but often still remain infectious to others OR so we are being told, the problem then is there body has reached it's natural balance and is able to keep them well so giving them a vaccine far from making them MORE immune at that point may very well make them seriously ill.

Any fully trained and educated immunologist can tell you this.

Any - Ethical - fully trained and educated immunologist will also question what the hell they are putting in modern vaccines, chemicals?.

All a vaccine is supposed to be is this.

Either the disease in question which has been bred in culture and then irradiated sufficiently to make it unable to infect the host to any severe degree and slow down the rate at which it can reproduce itself inside the infected person, this type of vaccination uses a dead or nearly dead variant on the bacteria or a damaged and unable to fully infect version of the virus and this can actually mutate and become a new strain but often less deadly than the original variant so giving something type type of vaccination is a calculated risk, very roughly calculated with unknown variables.

OR

The protein shell of the virus is cultured, this is the part that helps the virus pass into your cell's and infect them but also the part that your antibody's recognize and attack when you have an immunity to the virus, often genetically splicing part of the deadly virus onto a less harmful virus can be used to produce a strain of virus that will trigger an immune response (force your body to create antibody's to the virus), this in turn can then grant you and immunization affect against the deadly virus that your body will now recognize and fight.

OR

Just a sufficient amount of completely dead virus fully irradiated can be injected which will introduce it to the blood stream and hopefully then trigger the immune response to the now dead and inert foreign body of the viral matter that is floating around in the blood, this too can train the immune system but as to how affectively?.


So while in some cases it may BOOST the immune system giving a vaccine to someone that is already recovering from the virus is a dangerous proposition, an already taxed immune system can even go into overdrive and shock can set in or other allergic reactions.

So what are they playing it, are there imbeciles running our government's, scientific establishments and medical professions?.

Sadly there are but there are also very good people with good heads on there shoulders among them, every day we hope the ones who know what they are doing will win but often in this greedy blind world of ours it is the selfish ones that often lack the intelligence to even have a concept of enlightened self interest that win the day.

Either way god watch over this poor mans family, he lived to help people and died because of idiot's, perhaps well intentioned idiots but bureaucratic morons and box tickers nonetheless.

The article leaves out the detail as to how long after vaccination the first problems of MIS appeared. Remember, the article points out that no problems were detected for weeks, no positive Corona tests (after multiple tests) and no reason to test for antibodies; the man was perfectly fine for weeks prior to vaccination. Only after vaccination did sufficient problems arise to warrant an antibody test along with hospitalization. (keep in mind that a positive antibody test does not guarantee that Corona was present prior to vaccination, especially when details about the timing of vaccination and the antibody test are not provided)

So if the scenario that deckdel sketches and presents as factual/certain/absolute (that he would have died from MIS anyway and that MIS was already present before the vaccination*), is actually true, that would mean the MIS was not causing any serious problems for weeks until some unspecified time after the vaccination, when it ultimately killed him. (*: his exact description was: "He had the virus months before, immune system reacted to it. But it never did shut down, but kept on going. And that is lethal." Which also seemed to function as his description for the MIS described in the article, so that's how I interpreted it; although I understand that he may have been talking about the autoimmune-system reaction not shutting down properly ultimately leading to MIS)

Would it then not be reasonable to at least consider the possibility that the vaccine might have triggered these bigger problems or have some involvement in bringing it to the forefront, rather than dismissing that possibility a priori, possibly because of a desire to hold on to the notion that:

'Whatever happens and in whatever order of events, it's never the vaccine's fault or the vaccine never has anything to do with it.'

originally posted by: deckdel
a reply to: slatesteam

Sure is. But he would be dead also without the vaccine. His immune response to non-existant virus was killing him. He had the virus months before, immune system reacted to it. But it never did shut down, but kept on going. And that is lethal.

Have to add here: the fact that this virus can trick auto-immune response is freeky.

Its not freaky its called pleomorphism and we are dealing with a Pleomorphic Bacteria. Plain and simple.

What an engineered cocktail of tool virus this is. If the virus doesn't get you the vaccine might either now or later. Also maybe this virus has components of other virus like HIV & Syphilis/other to ensure longevity and dormancy in the body which can comeback and bite you when you are weaker and older.

A virus where any vaccine is actually an enabler! Lets see what impacts there are in the next 6 to 12 months and maybe in 10 years.

If the above is true then we are at the beginning of a very slow but effective over time depopulation exercise which ensures the survival of the young and reduction of those no longer of use.

The WHO visited China and the outcome was as was expected and planned! This outcome and the use of the term "unlikely" only proves to me that this virus was engineered in the Wuhan lab!

Lets not be surprised at this if it is the case. The world needs depopulation or else and everybody knows it! People and population centre's and the striving for commercialization and profits only compounds the problem! Pollution would be what it is today if there were less people on the planet!

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

I believe we and you are definitely no exception have been conditions to believe the planet is over populated, it is NOT.

Where people live we naturally congregate into city's, town's and villages.

Where people do not Live we do not live, most of Russia, Siberia, much of China is sparsely populated despite the population.

In the past people ATE what they had, today we throw away much of what we have, we actually produce MORE food than we need and could produce many, many times more food even using far less land using hydroponics with no need for Monsanto GM crop's and tailored pesticides.

It is not people but CORPORATIONS the giant's of today's world that are devouring our world, our work's and the lives of people, these things are runaway criminal's that governments bow before.

Our waste problem, plastics in the water is not a result of human over population, south America produced perhaps sixty percent MORE food than it does today and maybe had a far larger population than anyone realizes, yes it suffered some societal collapse such as the mega city in the Yucatan which collapsed through unknown reason's possibly environment and possibly pathogen related but a city as large as modern los angeles vanished into the jungle devoured by nature.

Rather our Waste problem is a result of corporate greed, plain and simply you have to buy and throw away of they can NOT sell you there product again and again.

Thirty odd years ago Mars Bars - like snickers but no nuts in them if you live in the States - came in grease proof paper packaging, were made without Palm Oil and other nasty crap and the company that made them made a healthy profit, greed made them smaller, put poisonous ingredients such as palm oil into them and wrapped them in plastic.

Not people CORPORATIONS.

We need more ethical business, more humane society and governments that work FOR the people not the CORPORATIONS, we need CORPORATE REGULATION and non of the governments in are going to do that, yes they will kill people off but I ask you this, who gain's.

The corporations will still be there, some nation will protect it's people and come out stronger while there enemy's are weakened and that nation will ensure it's children multiply because they are the future and given how there enemy's have weakened themselves they will take over.

Not less people in the end just a huge ethnic shift as the first world were we are more easily poisoned by the enemy within dies off.


Killing people is the POL POT, MAO, STALIN and HITLER answer, it is not the correct solution and never will be, all it will do is pitch the world into a new dark age.

When the romans were threatened by the slave revolt led by Spartacus they toyed with killing off all there slaves but thought better in the end.
When the French Revolution happened the elite of Europe looked at ways of killing off OR EXPORTING there poor.
When the Russian Revolution happened rinse repeat on and on and on again and again and again it is never the fault of the guilty its all those people there are too many of them it's the cheap, wrong and old answer of the elite whom themselves forget that if you live in a tree house you really should not take the axe to the trunk for firewood.

I will say it again this nonsense about there being too many people is LIES and PROPEGANDA and CONTROL and that is what it is really about CONTROL.

There are NOT too many people.

But using pathogens on the population has a very long history.

Experiments to see how well virus and pathogens would spread were carried out in all major powers during the cold war, Russia did it to it's own and so too did the US and NATO.

In the US smallpox was given to poor and black men to cull there population in Georgia and other states.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Both this and your prior ost are excellent.
Thank you.
Rainbows
Jane

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

I believe we and you are definitely no exception have been conditions to believe the planet is over populated, it is NOT.

Where people live we naturally congregate into city's, town's and villages.

Where people do not Live we do not live, most of Russia, Siberia, much of China is sparsely populated despite the population.

In the past people ATE what they had, today we throw away much of what we have, we actually produce MORE food than we need and could produce many, many times more food even using far less land using hydroponics with no need for Monsanto GM crop's and tailored pesticides.

It is not people but CORPORATIONS the giant's of today's world that are devouring our world, our work's and the lives of people, these things are runaway criminal's that governments bow before.

Our waste problem, plastics in the water is not a result of human over population, south America produced perhaps sixty percent MORE food than it does today and maybe had a far larger population than anyone realizes, yes it suffered some societal collapse such as the mega city in the Yucatan which collapsed through unknown reason's possibly environment and possibly pathogen related but a city as large as modern los angeles vanished into the jungle devoured by nature.

Rather our Waste problem is a result of corporate greed, plain and simply you have to buy and throw away of they can NOT sell you there product again and again.

Thirty odd years ago Mars Bars - like snickers but no nuts in them if you live in the States - came in grease proof paper packaging, were made without Palm Oil and other nasty crap and the company that made them made a healthy profit, greed made them smaller, put poisonous ingredients such as palm oil into them and wrapped them in plastic.

Not people CORPORATIONS.

We need more ethical business, more humane society and governments that work FOR the people not the CORPORATIONS, we need CORPORATE REGULATION and non of the governments in are going to do that, yes they will kill people off but I ask you this, who gain's.

The corporations will still be there, some nation will protect it's people and come out stronger while there enemy's are weakened and that nation will ensure it's children multiply because they are the future and given how there enemy's have weakened themselves they will take over.

Not less people in the end just a huge ethnic shift as the first world were we are more easily poisoned by the enemy within dies off.


Killing people is the POL POT, MAO, STALIN and HITLER answer, it is not the correct solution and never will be, all it will do is pitch the world into a new dark age.

When the romans were threatened by the slave revolt led by Spartacus they toyed with killing off all there slaves but thought better in the end.
When the French Revolution happened the elite of Europe looked at ways of killing off OR EXPORTING there poor.
When the Russian Revolution happened rinse repeat on and on and on again and again and again it is never the fault of the guilty its all those people there are too many of them it's the cheap, wrong and old answer of the elite whom themselves forget that if you live in a tree house you really should not take the axe to the trunk for firewood.

I will say it again this nonsense about there being too many people is LIES and PROPEGANDA and CONTROL and that is what it is really about CONTROL.

There are NOT too many people.

But using pathogens on the population has a very long history.

Experiments to see how well virus and pathogens would spread were carried out in all major powers during the cold war, Russia did it to it's own and so too did the US and NATO.

In the US smallpox was given to poor and black men to cull there population in Georgia and other states.

If you think that the world is not over populated and the number of people is not bad for the planet then you are deluded!

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

I am absolutely scientifically certain there are not too many people there are however too many idiots that have been brainwashed and of the same opinion as yourself and I truly feel sorry for the rest of us having to share a planet with such anti human's.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

I am absolutely scientifically certain there are not too many people there are however too many idiots that have been brainwashed and of the same opinion as yourself and I truly feel sorry for the rest of us having to share a planet with such anti human's.

Look in the mirror! Blindness is common!

....could be the canary in the coal mine regarding the danger of vaccinating those who already have antibodies

Considering the many millions who have been given the vaccine already if it kills any sort of significant percentage of people who have antibodies then there would be 1000's dying every day.

As Dr. David Martin and other informed medical persons have pointed out, this is not a vaccine in the traditional medical and legal sense.

This is gene therapy technology. The shot modifies the RNA of the recipient. It's never been used before, so all those taking it are test subjects, guinea pigs.

Fools rush in where wise men fear to go.

originally posted by: Salander

This is gene therapy technology. The shot modifies the RNA of the recipient.

www.cdc.gov...

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.

They do not affect or interact with our DNA in any way.

mRNA never enters the nucleus of the cell, which is where our DNA (genetic material) is kept.
The cell breaks down and gets rid of the mRNA soon after it is finished using the instructions.

a reply to: Iamonlyhuman

Golly, if the CDC says it's so, it absolutely must be so. They've been so right for so long.....

It's not DNA, it's RNA.

Martin is much more persuasive than Fauci.

The Georgia Guidestones come to mind.
Thin the Herd.
Long term effects will Kill many.
People don't trust the Government but will gladly take a so called Vaccine
that they have no Clue whats in it or what it will do to them.
This is the begenning of the end for many
a reply to: Salander

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

I believe we and you are definitely no exception have been conditions to believe the planet is over populated, it is NOT.

Where people live we naturally congregate into city's, town's and villages.

Where people do not Live we do not live, most of Russia, Siberia, much of China is sparsely populated despite the population.

In the past people ATE what they had, today we throw away much of what we have, we actually produce MORE food than we need and could produce many, many times more food even using far less land using hydroponics with no need for Monsanto GM crop's and tailored pesticides.

In a 2004 report entitled “Can the Planet Feed Us?” Alex Kirby, an environment correspondent, stated: “The world does produce enough to feed everyone. But the food is often in the wrong place, or unaffordable, or can’t be stored long enough. So making sure everyone has enough to eat is more about politics than science.” With proper oversight of the earth and efficient management of its resources, there should be no reason to fear a shortage. For example, Time magazine of July 13, 1970, in an article about new, high-yield strains of wheat and rice, reported that the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization “now maintains that the world’s agricultural potential is great enough to feed 157 billion people.”

The reality is that the earth is actually capable of sustaining a population many, many times greater than that which is now on it. Consider the earth’s surface: It is about 197 million square miles in area. But 71 percent of that is water. The land surface is 29 percent, about 57 million square miles. This is well over 36 billion acres. So with a population of 18 billion there would be more than 2 acres of land for each person. There is good reason to believe that only a fraction of those 2 acres per person would be needed for food (see earlier quote about 157 billion).

a reply to: Salander

Lol, the vaccine doesn't modify our RNA either. Instead, it modifies the COVID virus' RNA.

www.rochester.edu...

COVID-19, short for “coronavirus disease 2019,” is caused by the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2. Like many other viruses, SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus. This means that, unlike in humans and other mammals, the genetic material for SARS-CoV-2 is encoded in ribonucleic acid (RNA). The viral RNA is sneaky: its features cause the protein synthesis machinery in humans to mistake it for RNA produced by our own DNA.

For that reason, several of the leading COVID-19 vaccines and treatments are based on RNA technology.

a reply to: Iamonlyhuman

The vaccine doesn't modify our RNA. Instead, it modifies the COVID virus' RNA.

There are several vaccines that work in several different ways as far as i know none of them alter the virus RNA. RNA is a transcriber.

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Bill Gates? What you doin in here?