The Mirrors Of Simple Souls

Does "love in Jesus" or "belief in Jesus" result in Heaven?

Nothing could be more absurd. But its the message the Church pushes. To empower their body instead of your spirituality.

Ifs not the "love for Jesus" that saves us. Its the ability to exist in the "love" for Jesus that saves us. That "love" is the heart and soul of our being. That is why Matthew 7.21-23 differentiates between those that have "Love for Jesus" and those that "do the will of the Father". The "will of the Father" exists in that "love". It is our soul. It is our I AM.

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers

A wonderful book about our soul was released by 13th century French Christian mystic Marguerite Porete. She was burnt at the stake for refusing to recant her book. She died so you could hear her truth. On walking to her death it is said her grace brought tears to the onlookers. She existed in the "love" for Jesus that made her indestructable.

In her book she wittingly uses "Wisdom" for Mind and "Love" for soul to different between the two which Matthew 7.21 alludes. This translation is old, being translated into older english. which makes it a tad difficult to read. The link takes you to a site that also allows you to download into EPUB, pdf or text...

The Mirrors Of Simple Souls

a reply to: glend
Oh wow! Basically she got killed because her make believe believes were not up to code, to the make believe believes of the invisible man in a cloud people who were more popular at the times.

No offense. Skimmed the link a bit. But the only proof this brings and shows in not some high wisdom or wisdom of the soul. It just proves that people are dumb as #. And not only would kill for a dumb as # reasons, but would die for a dumb as # reason as well.

We can only conclude what has been known all along. Its all make believe and its all just nucking stupid.

a reply to: glend

Thanks for posting this book

Looks facinating, what a brave and faithful soul Marguerite Porete must have been.

Christianity has such a rich and bright mystical tradition, to still shine forth from such persecution, perpetrated so cruelly, by its own exoteric facade.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

Yes it offers no proof of anything. I also accept your view as being pragmatic. But one thousand years back, televisions would have been seen as magic. So its very likely that our knowledge of universe is still limited. That dimenssions may exist in which all humans can naturally communicate with one another. The term soul being the dimenssion in which we all are linked. It is not something that needs be believed with faith. Its a dimension that can be experienced if one has the will to do so.

a reply to: glend

But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe. 27 My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.

We are saved through grace, many Christians have committed terrible crimes and yes they may be called to judgement but the grace of Christ the same Christ whom FORGAVE the people whom had crucified him from the very cross has saved us.

We are NOT saved by our work's though our work's will most certainly be looked at and those that have lived by the LAW and done only good work's will be saved - though they will also come to know that Christ is the way - the ONLY way.

For those of us not so perfect, as long as we live under the blood and GRACE of Christ we will be saved but it is at his whim and upon his mercy that we rely so hypocrites that know they are doing bad then go to a confessor and say sorry without being sorry or similar religious practices need not apply.

Though he did say "I shall forgive them what they know not".



No one can snatch them out of my hand, read what Christ said.

Demons try to accuse people, to condemn them, to enslave there soul's and constantly trespass upon Christs Pasteur but when the shepherd comes he will take back what is his and those demons are going to a fate known as the second death, there is no reincarnating or other get out of jail cards for them.

There is NO OTHER WAY.


My personal belief is this.

As to reincarnation, well there may be some reality to it but the Church has suppressed belief in it and Christ did say it is given for a many to be born then to die then the resurrection.

Perhaps some are given a second chance or perhaps as some interpret each life is a different person and come that day they will all stand there as themselves?.

I fully believe in Jesus that is all I can say, I have had my moments of stress and agued with God often circular argument's that eventually come to me understanding that the fault lies with me or having to accept that God knows best, so argument may not be the correct way of framing this but in our pain, tiny as we are sometimes we get angry with him, he is both merciful and loves us.

And the very injustice I rile against is the same that the Lord has taught me to recognized as injustice so of course it is not his fault he is the one pointing out to me in myself that something is wrong so come that day those that ARE responsible will be punished.

I think that Love and Faith in Jesus are far more important than the self inflating egotistical nonsense of modern day pagan inspired Gnostics.

So sorry have to disagree with you MOST SEVERELY.

I would advise you to look into the life and teachings of St Irenaeus, lived about 180 AD in Lyon in France and overcame the heresy of the Gnostics and though claimed by the Catholic church today he is actually a Christian saint common to all denominations of the original and true faith.

Gnosticism branched into more and more weird sects many leaving Christianity behind entirely and leading many soul's astray, it was like the cults you find in india among there heathen religion were a guru can lead many to there death's.

The true faith even before being taken as a state religion, while even being persecuted and practiced in secret survived this gnostic assault by those whose ego's said THEY knew better.

You are searching for the truth, that is good seek and ye shall find but beware you do not walk away from it not recognizing it for what it is, do not mix pagan belief into Christian belief it is NOT spirituality it is demonism.


But hey I am far from perfect, I am not a doctor of theology or a mystic so as long as you are thinking about Christ then you are seeking him OR seeking something HE has sent you after, beware though as his enemy will try to snare you away even though he can not.

God bless and keep you safe, if my comment comes across as scathing at any point then sorry I mean no offense, I see the world as I see it and with the eye's God has given me imperfect as my vision is, you see it the way you see it with the eye's he has given you.

My 'opinion' is no more valid than yours even if it is closer or further from consensus, only one person knows that that person is God.

a reply to: primalfractal

A thought that came to me primalfractal is that Marguerite Porete determination not to turn her back on God is the same determination she used to overcome her mind to be one with God. So her death was even a greater lesson. A final gift from a great soul that was full of love.

Christianity has such a rich and bright mystical tradition, to still shine forth from such persecution, perpetrated so cruelly, by its own exoteric facade.

Brilliant statement.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Thank you LABTECH767. No need to be sorry to disagree. I fully understand that your mind see's spirituality in different light to mine. I use to believe in all types of nonsense (I hear you saying I still do) but now I'm of the opinion that all our minds thoughts is just noise. All recieved through senses that are far removed from source material to determine any truth.

That our beliefs end up being a brick wall to our spirituality. So now I search for truth from the heart reaching for God. Is that not what Jesus said..."Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.".

Believing that the only truth is God.

a reply to: glend

Well ya! Aint that the point? What was the OPs your story about that lady being burned at the stake about?

"That the human knowledge of the universe is still limited" And I quote you.

It took some hundreds to thousands of years to find out burning at the stake is kind of stupid. And I would say that human knowledge is not limited? Its pretty much kind of barely existent sometimes.


Going by that pasterns and percentage of progress on human knowledge. I suspect that in a few thousands of years we may even evolve beyond the TV and its magic.

Though your saying on that dimensions exist where all humans can naturally communicate with each-other? Sure they exist, even this dimension here and now on this internet, as I am writing this, it may exist, it may be that we are communicating naturally.

Though if a dimension exists out there in the infinite, were communication between humans is very effective? Well, there may be one dimension out there among the infinite in which that may be a reality. There may be even two such dimensions. Or! Who knows. Anything is possible.

a reply to: glend
All that appears is love.

So it is not about love 'for' Jesus.

Christ is said to be the visible image of the invisible God.

COLOSSIANS 1:15
Christ is the visible likeness of the invisible God. He is the first-born Son, superior to all created things.
Or
He is the exact living image [the essential manifestation] of the unseen God [the visible representation of the invisible], the firstborn [the preeminent one, the sovereign, and the originator] of all creation.

Here and now is the life that is appearing........ not made of things.....this is non conceptual...... prior to words and judgement.......this that always is.

Words begat stories about a make believe you in make believe time.........outside of Eden.
There is no outside or inside.

Really there is just this.......no things.......just apparent happening.

Nothing to do, nowhere to go.

a reply to: glend
Overcome the mind by simply seeing and hearing.

Stories arise out of nowhere that speak of somewhere, somewhen, something.

Nowhere is now-here.

Never not here.....never not now.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Is love all that appears? Perhaps it depends from which eye we look.

Our mind views the world through memory imprints. Those memory imprints is time created by mind, Void of any real substance they are just labels and images. Existing in those memories is existing in sleep.

Our heart see's the world in the Now. That is why Marguerite Porete tells us the souls name is "forgetelle". To the soul, all that is, is love. We can only exist in that love by being awake in the NOW.

Prayer and meditation calm the mind. Lowering the noise level so the subtle heart/soul can be heard above the noise.

The soul finds absolute joy in being.

a reply to: glend
The mind cannot see or hear.


The 'mind' is an idea......really there is just thoughts appearing/disappearing.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

Anything is possible. Even life on a rock, orbiting a fireball. Its something we are born too. But that does make it any less of a miracle. Yet we fail to see any magic in this world. That is why I made this tread. To open our eyes a little.

This is lovely.

Thank you for sharing.




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