Dozens develop serious blood disorder after getting Covid vaccine

I've also read a few times that it can cause new autoimmune disease in some people, too

I don't like the idea, of losing ANOTHER family member, to appease idiots.

First the lockdowns killed my grandfather, now the vaccines are coming out with the potential to kill either my sister or father, who is currently dealing with liver cancer treatment and failing kidneys.

How many people have gotten the vaccine so far?

NBC says 32 million people. www.nbcnews.com...

This disease (Immune Thrombocytopenic Purpura) has an annual "new case" rate of 8-12 people out of every 100,000 people, prior to the COVID 19.
ashpublications.org...

Now you tell me, on average how many people who got the vaccine should have gotten the disease if they hadn't had the vaccine?

Also on average 28% of all nursing home residents die within the first year they are in a nursing home. bmchealthservres.biomedcentral.com...

Now you tell me how many nursing home residents is it expected that will die even if they didn't get the vaccine?

Before COVID the US had an "epidemic" of rising numbers of Senior Citizen deaths.
In 2015 for every 1000 senior citizens, 8-12 died annually.
www.census.gov...

Now you tell me, on average how many Senior citizens who got the vaccine statistically would have died even if they hadn't received the vaccine?

Personally, I had a good friend in her mid 70's who appeared healthy and was very active who was fine one minute and dead the next of an aneurysm, and she had not had the vaccine. So seemingly healthy Seniors can drop dead suddenly without having had the vaccine.

Autoimmune disease appears in about 7% of the US population annually. So how many people who have had the vaccine should be expected to get autoimmune disease, even if they did not have the vaccine? www.statista.com...

Unless one can prove that statistically more people are being affected by the vaccine than we would see in non-vaccinated people then these stories are basically meaningless scare tactics.

I don't care if you don't get the vaccine, but don't try to scare people conflating the vaccine with what would have most likely happened without the vaccine on average.

Before saying 7 or 12 people got .... after they got the vaccine, remember 32 million people have had the vaccine so far. Then look up how many would have come down with .... even if they hadn't had the vaccine. That tells you if there is a real issue with the vaccine or not.

If you want to convince me, use the stats you can gather to prove that the rate of these things happening is significantly higher than would have happened naturally in years before COVID. If you can't prove that, then you are scare mongering and shame on you. If you can, then do it with good math, not conjecture, anecdotes, and scare mongering.

Again, if you don't want to get the vaccine, I fully support your right not to get it and don't think it is right that this may become a requirement to travel in the future. The Democrats are considering this as a law within the US for air travel and other public transit. That is wrong in my opinion and no one should be forced to take the vaccine if they are terrified at the prospect or don't want to take it for any reason.

a reply to: The2Billies
How many companies have had their hands washed of responsibilities for rushing a vaccine?

Compared to the individuals who have had their hands washed of responsibilities for refusing a vaccine?

Which question is given more air time?

You say people have a choice, but condemn them in the same breath and demonize them.

You want to convince me, show me which vaccine manufacturer is willing to stand behind their vaccine and accept responsibility for incidents that may occur from rushing an untested vaccine.

Edit: I get what you're trying to say, but you're ignoring everyone else and their experiences and hiding behind "scientific stats" when even that is manipulated.

Look and see for yourselves folks, just what all of this really is:

clinicaltrials.gov...


We are in the midst of a clinical trial, not due for completion until 2023......... Human lab rats, that's all we're seen as. Gene editing, gene mutation, gene augmentation..... Is this first portion of this clinical trial a lookie-see to get the gene editing tech down so as to pave the way for the great trans-humanism push?

You just know that that is near the top-of-the-list of the sicko's in charge for their vision of "humanity".

a reply to: TotoMesch
I think that's what gets me the most about this global pandemic.

I was used as a lab rat for Seroquel when I was 12. Starts to get lethal around 800mg. They tested me at 1,400mg for a year.

I'm suppose to be dead. I was used and abused by big pharma, with absolutely no assistance from our glorious caring government.

I was thrown back into the wild, hoping I would off myself before I hit 18.

Now I'm seeing similarities with this covid "vaccination" and people are not only eager, but eagerly forcing this upon others to be unwilling test subjects.

Am I going to get 60$ in a brown paper lunch bag, per week, this time?

a reply to: slatesteam

Me too.

I have my Ivermectin.:

originally posted by: Nivhk
a reply to: The2Billies
How many companies have had their hands washed of responsibilities for rushing a vaccine?


Edit: I get what you're trying to say, but you're ignoring everyone else and their experiences and hiding behind "scientific stats" when even that is manipulated.

Sorry conjecture doesn't convince me that these people would not have gotten these diseases anyway. I'm not ignoring anyone's experiences, I am sad for them, but there is no statistical proof at all they would not have gotten this disease anyway.

You can believe what you want, that's fine. You can refuse to get the vaccine, that's fine, your choice, no condemnation on my part, I don't really care.

No one should be forced to get the vaccine to travel as Democrats are considering in Congress.

That said, PROVE there are more affected before saying the vaccine caused .... because 7-12 people came down with ..... I went back and got some stats from 2015 and from well before COVID even popped up to find out how many people out of every ..... should be expected to get those diseases.

It is manipulative, and scare mongering, to say people will get a terrible disease from the vaccine when 12 people out of 32 million came down with the disease after getting the vaccine, when at a minimum 2500 people would be expected to come down with the disease with or without the vaccine.

People who say that the vaccine was the cause of these 12 people getting sick when 2500 people normally out of the 32 million will get the disease "naturally" without the vaccine - is just plain scare mongering and wrong.

Trying to scare people out of taking the vaccine is attempting to force your thinking and ideas on others.

My thinking is, you don't want to take it, fine, ok, up to you. Trying to scare people into not taking it without any proof that what has happened would not have happened anyway is irresponsible and trying to force people to think as you do.

originally posted by: Nivhk
a reply to: The2Billies
How many companies have had their hands washed of responsibilities for rushing a vaccine?

Compared to the individuals who have had their hands washed of responsibilities for refusing a vaccine?

Which question is given more air time?.

in mainstream media ZERO air time is given to anyone questioning the logic of the vaccine/lockdowns/quarantines/masks etc etc. it's all 24/7 fear porn, all the time, non-stop, like a bludgeon.

a reply to: RoScoLaz5

You mean....advertising

a reply to: TXRabbit

or 'the rattling of a stick in a swill-bucket', as george orwell memorably described advertising.

originally posted by: RoScoLaz5

originally posted by: Nivhk
a reply to: The2Billies
How many companies have had their hands washed of responsibilities for rushing a vaccine?

Compared to the individuals who have had their hands washed of responsibilities for refusing a vaccine?

Which question is given more air time?.

in mainstream media ZERO air time is given to anyone questioning the logic of the vaccine/lockdowns/quarantines/masks etc etc. it's all 24/7 fear porn, all the time, non-stop, like a bludgeon.

Ok, I agree

That still doesn't make it right to make assertions of harm with no proof based on real statistical analysis, using data from well before COVID.

PROVE to me you are right and I am wrong using statistical analysis and data from before COVID happened, and I'll support you getting the message out. Otherwise what is being done in this thread is scare mongering and alternative propaganda. Just as bad as what the mainstream media is doing for the Democrats.

originally posted by: The2Billies scare mongering

the very definition of the entire 'pandemic' hoax in one tidy phrase.

a reply to: The2Billies

You could take literally every word of your post and apply it to the actual virus. Yet for the last year we've been doing exactly the opposite of that. Now the vaccine's out, we're supposed to suddenly remember...

'Oh..yeah...old people can die suddenly...'

a reply to: The2Billies
I'm not trying to convince people not to take it. I'm expressing my concerns for my family members, who one is being forced to take it or they lose their job and when asking doctors these questions, they just shrug their shoulders to save their careers.

Do you have a link of people living happy lives with ITP and Lupus?

What it felt like from your post, was jumping into a pool/thread, demonizing everyone active that they are scare mongering, when I want answers.

That seems to be the issue. Let's take results that show millions of people, but not explain the numbers. And people run with it and say it is safe. Nothing about family history, pre existing conditions, just look, millions are safe, take it.

Fear mongering is just as dangerous as encouraging people to be complacent. If no one questions it, wheres the harm, right? If someone questions it, they're fear mongering. (Not you, but that's the general consensus)

Edit: I've used active, personal experiences, to back up my drive for questions, but get labeled as a fear monger.

I rarely see others offer their own viewpoints from their lives and just run with media links or some vague "I know 1000s on facebook"

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: The2Billies

You could take literally every word of your post and apply it to the actual virus. Yet for the last year we've been doing exactly the opposite of that. Now the vaccine's out, we're supposed to suddenly remember...

'Oh..yeah...old people can die suddenly...'

I agree with you.

The numbers of COVID were manipulated by the media in an attempt to get Trump out of office. Hospitals were paid extra for saying someone died of COVID when they died of something else but had COVID. No argument from me there.

But are people who use anecdotes to "prove" the vaccine will do something horrible to you any different than the media and those who falsified COVID numbers? NO I hold everyone to the same standard. Truth and not conjecture must be the standard. Basing assertions on anecdotes whose numbers also don't add up when compared to how many who get the vaccine would be expected to get these diseases even if they hadn't had the vaccine, is also wrong.

Unlike Democrats and liberals
I don't believe in
What applies to me
does not apply to thee

originally posted by: Nivhk
a reply to: The2Billies
I'm not trying to convince people not to take it. I'm expressing my concerns for my family members, who one is being forced to take it or they lose their job and when asking doctors these questions, they just shrug their shoulders to save their careers.

Do you have a link of people living happy lives with ITP and Lupus?

What it felt like from your post, was jumping into a pool/thread, demonizing everyone active that they are scare mongering, when I want answers.

That seems to be the issue. Let's take results that show millions of people, but not explain the numbers. And people run with it and say it is safe. Nothing about family history, pre existing conditions, just look, millions are safe, take it.

Fear mongering is just as dangerous as encouraging people to be complacent. If no one questions it, wheres the harm, right? If someone questions it, they're fear mongering. (Not you, but that's the general consensus)

Edit: I've used active, personal experiences, to back up my drive for questions, but get labeled as a fear monger.

I rarely see others offer their own viewpoints from their lives and just run with media links or some vague "I know 1000s on facebook"

Then look for the answers. Prove you are right.

The answers are out there. Look up out of 32 million people, how many were expected to come down with .... naturally before 2019. The answers are out there and you may come up with groundbreaking proof, I don't know.

However, what you are currently doing, in my personal opinion, is scare mongering and is as bad as the media who used inflated COVID numbers to scare monger the general population.

Sorry, you haven't even attempted to really convince me, just tried to shame me. But that is not a valid argument.

a reply to: The2Billies
No, what you are doing, is jumping into a thread and shame people. While saying, do not ask questions.

Before covid, there are doctors saying the flu vaccine is tricky for Lupus patients, 2020 rolls around and say it's safe.

I'm asking questions because everywhere has a heavy spin or get a number to talk to robots, then an operator who gives another number, to another robot.

But continue on, you've made it clear you have no interest in talking to anyone who isn't on your approved list. Also noted, mods should include in forum guidelines, questions are not tolerated.

originally posted by: Nivhk
a reply to: The2Billies
No, what you are doing, is jumping into a thread and shame people. While saying, do not ask questions.

Before covid, there are doctors saying the flu vaccine is tricky for Lupus patients, 2020 rolls around and say it's safe.

I'm asking questions because everywhere has a heavy spin or get a number to talk to robots, then an operator who gives another number, to another robot.

But continue on, you've made it clear you have no interest in talking to anyone who isn't on your approved list. Also noted, mods should include in forum guidelines, questions are not tolerated.

I am saying ASK questions.

But get your data straight and ask questions that are more than conjecture.

I am saying look up, before COVID, how many people out of 32 million normally came down with (whatever disease) before there ever was a vaccine. Then compare that number to the number of people who came down with (whatever disease) after getting the vaccine. If the numbers match or are within a statistical dead even then the vaccine was not the cause of the people getting (whatever disease), it would have happened anyway. IF the numbers who get the disease is higher than expected statistically then you can make an intellectual and valid argument that the vaccine caused (whatever disease).

Why are you so opposed to finding the data?

You may prove you are right. I said that earlier.

Sorry I still think it is scare mongering not to back up your assertions with anything more then conjecture and anecdotes.

ATS is all about people disagreeing and questioning assertions.

Those who are afraid of being questioned and don't want those who disagree able to speak is saying that only people who agree with you should be allowed to speak. Certainly the modern way of thinking, and many these days think that no one should be allowed to disagree and point out flaws in arguments or even flaws in questions.

Also, you said that you should be free to ask your question, I agree completely. Then you said that no one who questions your question should be allowed to do so and should be banned by mods, hmmmmm.

a reply to: dragonlover12

an infection from a tick bite

And this is totally unrelated to Lyme? Lyme does so many different things to different people I would guess there was a test? I guess the test is not that simple either though.
I lost a tooth recently to a huge infection from Lyme that grew around the root was traveling to the jaw.

The only thing that really helped me was Mebendazole I think everyone should try it when confronted with these diseases as I think the whole problem stems from parasites'.