Where Do We (the World) Go From Here?

a reply to: DISRAELI

There's an easy solution to that.

Barter. Stuff in return for other stuff. Service in return for services. Or any combination of those.

It's worked for as long as man's been around.

Money is nice, I quite enjoy having it. However, I can live without it.

Can you please film yourself going into your local grocery shop with a hunk of steak and trying to barter?

a reply to: seagull

a reply to: seagull
That works only as long as you've got things to barter, so it's a short-term solution. After that, they're in the same position as people with no money. The issue is not the exchange medium itself, but the loss of opportunity to acquire something that can be exchanged.
Remember that the industrial revolution was based on cheap food. Until food occupied a smaller part of their budgets, people had less spare money for made goods, which meant that fewer people could make a living out of making goods. If there is no spare moeny, the economy doesn't happen. In the present crisis, it will be a mammoth task just to stop everything grinding to a halt.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Short term, no not really. I guess it would depend upon what you've got to offer, and what others want for what they've got...

I mean, should the worst happen, and things go entirely pear shaped, and we're suddenly reduced to technology of a few hundred years ago, I can offer to mow hay with my sythe in return for a portion of that to feed my animals, and so on. It depends largely upon what people want for bartering.

Get too greedy, and you're going to find yourself outside looking in. That lesson will sink in rather quickly, I should think. Hunger is a marvelous teacher.

a reply to: chris_stibrany

Who said anything about stores?

My neighbors, right down the road, raise cattle. I have a yard full of yummy grass that cattle will certainly enjoy. In return for allowing him to graze a few of his cattle, I get some steaks, or roasts, or even a fatted calf, in return. Or I mow that grass, and bale it, and in return for that hay, I get something I may need.

This is all contingent, of course, on things going completely, as I said above, pear shaped...economy is utterly destroyed.

Right now? It still may have a place in a smaller way. Neighbors sharing amongst themselves, you've got carrots, I've got beef, someone else has a kettle, others have stones to heat up.

Stone soup.

Is it really so unfathomable that folks would, indeed, come together to help each other out? I see it often around here in the Deep South.

a reply to: seagull
That recipe won't work for people in the cities, which is an awful lot of people. The topic is about how the world survives, not how individuals survive.

a reply to: chris_stibrany


All I can think of every time I see this thread is the song by Karen Carpenter , Where do I go from here? I really love her voice!

Anyways, I’m just going to keep trying my best to survive for my son, and keep praying 💙

a reply to: seagull

Thats lovely friend but not everyone lives in rural areas.
You can't just virtue signal that you have neighbours with beefs and you are a-okay.

IT goes both ways.

I am thinking maybe we need to start some kind of new postal service for goods and services that works off grid.

Like Incan runners.

What got my brain going was ...Radiohead. Where do we go from here. The world is turning out so weird, where are you now, when I need you?

a reply to: KTemplar

a reply to: DISRAELI

Perhaps, but I can't help everyone. I can, however, help a few. There's a very good reason, not the only one, but it's a good one, that I don't live in a city, or near one that's of any appreciable size, and that's this very reason.

Given even a modicum of resources I can easily take care of myself, my family, and friends--and many of them, even most, can do exactly the same.

I was taught, from a very young age, how to do many things that most have no clue about doing for themselves. My parents were farm kids who grew up during the darkest days of the Great Depression. What we're seeing today is nothing compared to that--though it could be with little effort. They learned to make do, or do without. ...and both were from somewhat well situated families, not rich, but employed.

Cities would be, unfortunately, an exercise in Darwinism--live on TV...24/7. But there's nothing keeping them from doing exactly what I would be doing. A bit more difficult, but not impossible. Roof top gardens. Out of reach, and perhaps more importantly, out of sight. We both know that this horrifice scenario would bring out the worst in many, while also bringing out the best in other. The first can be dealt with--BAMN. The second, well they become allies.

No, wouldn't be easy, it'd be hard. Changing the habits of a lifetime is hard.

I much prefer going down to the local green grocer for my veggies--much easier. But raising them, and chickens etc, is hard to learn, hard to do yes, but not impossible. In a city, one can raise pigeons, or the like, along with that rooftop garden, or community garden in the local park. Those are fairly common, already. They'd become even moreso, were it to become necessary.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn I’m old enough to recall labels saying “made in Taiwan” before China opened up. My generation was told to “clean your plate, there are starving children in China.”

a reply to: chris_stibrany

As I said to Disraeli above.

Even in the cities you can adapt to the environment. Rooftop gardens and pigeon coops. Comminity gardens. So many ways to make a horrid situation if not great, at least better.

Easy? No, nothing like easy. We'd be working our ever-lovin' hineys off, every day. Likely dawn til dusk. That's why a small community, or neighborhood--even an apartment complex, would be well advised to come together. More hands make for lighter work load, after all.

People are nothing, if not adaptable.

originally posted by: Zrtst
a reply to: Snarl
interesting theory.

Thought it 'could' be worth sharing. Ya never know.

however according to the O.T. stories, the Ark of the Covenant did not always cause prosperity...the Philistines captured the Ark, but as recounted in Wiki..."1 Samuel 5 and 6 describe the Philistines as having to move the Ark to several parts of their territory, as tumours or hemorrhoids ("emerods") afflicted the people in each town to which it was taken: Ashdod, then Gath, then Ekron. The Septuagint adds that "mice sprang up in the midst of their country".[5] Stirrup points out that the "severity of the punishments increases through the passage": tumours in Ashdod (vv. 6-8), extensive tumours and panic in Gath, which had volunteered to take on the Ark (vv. 9,10a), and tumours on those who did not die and deathly panic in Ekron, which was 'volunteered' to take the Ark (vv. 10b-12).[6] The text explicitly ascribes the plague to "Yahweh's hand" (1 Samuel 5:6)."

That's one part of the biblical texts which read like historical facts rather than faith-based storytelling. Thanks for the effort you put into your reply.

a reply to: Zrtst

I think you have to replace China w Globalists in your statement. China being part of the Globalists. USA being part.. EU, UK being part.

a reply to: chris_stibrany
Maybe we don't go anywhere. All things come to an end after all.
Maybe our time is just up. Things end, new things evolve. It just happens.

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
So how are we going to get out of this trap?

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Break on through to the other side. Your elder friend is right be of the earth but not in it.

Agenda 21 is being implemented, for that to work there will be a large gradual cull, blamed on mutant viruses and terror attacks on the power grid. We’ve been living on the “just in time”food supply for years now anyway which is madness if you ask me. For many years I’ve wanted to go live off grid and be as self sufficient as possible just to get away from this sick society.. but unless your already loaded it’s just not possible in my country, and now with the travel bans I can’t escape anywhere else either.

Come what might I won’t be going down without a fight. Besides we’re here for a good time not a long time.

their plan: ORDO AB CHAO, or order from chaos.

We are obviously in the CHAOS part of the plan, were we are divided and conquered and eventually starved, and forced to eat out neighbors. According to H.G. Well's 1933 book, The Shape Of Things To Come, during this chaos and destruction phase of the NWO, the ruling elite will slip away to their hidden underground cities, where they put the finishing touches on their transhuman technocracy. Wells also states they will stay there until masses canabilize themselves, at such time they will emerge as literal gods and bring order to the world with their great scientific advancements.

The ORDER part of the plan IS the NEW WORLD ORDER

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There are some pretty strong obstacles in the way.

The first thing that is required is a behavioral change. Quite vague and far reaching, but this would include things like cutting back (or even stopping) engagement in the Narratives running rampant through society.

The second would be actually achieving personal participation on the individual level in building a physical, real world foundation that isnt immediately exploited and subverted by the current prevailing paradigm (the Monolith).

As it stands, most either desperately want a "return to normal" that will never happen, or are All In with the corporate-political agenda (frequently unwittingly). I believe this is intentionally inculcated, but even if it isnt, neither path will precipitate viable competition or alternatives to the technocratic/technofascist apparatus.

FWIW, I think its an important question to ask and even asked similar nearly ten years ago. Even if every solution was right at our fingertips, it would require participation outside of mainstream Narratives. That is exceptionally difficult to achieve.

a reply to: Serdgiam

Not to mention any great change requires people to band together and not be afraid to fight the system, even in nonviolent behavioural ways. And people are largely being stopped from banding together....