Has anyone else thought about this type of afterlife?

originally posted by: 38181
You ever go to sleep, then wake up 8 hours later not remembering anything in the dream, nor having any feelings, thoughts, etc.? Just nothingness.

That’s what happens when we die but for infinity. Scary huh?

I remember my dreams so your example doesn’t fit me; however, I do wonder what happens if you die while under anesthesia. While under anesthesia there is just blank time - no dreaming. Anesthesia creates a significant disconnect - separates the mind from the body. How does the mind know the body is dead when the person dies under anesthesia? This has always concerned me.

originally posted by: pteridine
a reply to: centrifugal

Read Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls by Michael Newton.

Oh wow. I read Journey of souls about 20 years ago and had almost completely forgotten about it. It was a great book

a reply to: centrifugal

Yes. I’ve had that exact thought before. Even without a soul we would live as another being a trillion years in the future as our atoms make up other beings.

The afterlife idea makes no sense unless there is also a beforelife.
Making your life the afterlife of the beforelife.
What a ride

You needed ayahuasca just to have those thoughts?

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: centrifugal


Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Of course he would say that.

How about if there is no afterlife, but only a constant recycling of the same perception of life, over and over again forever? Time is just an illusion, after all. There is nothing here but NOW. And we have all heard the stories of people who "see their life flash before their eyes" at the brink of death. Also how once you become very old you start to remember moments from your early years in vivid detail. Recycled energy patterns. Life and memories.

So at the moment of death, your life flashes before your eyes starting at the very beginning, and you live it all again in real time. That's also what gives you the feeling of deja vu. You feel like you've done something before, because YOU HAVE.

originally posted by: 38181
You ever go to sleep, then wake up 8 hours later not remembering anything in the dream, nor having any feelings, thoughts, etc.? Just nothingness.

That’s what happens when we die but for infinity. Scary huh?

Or what about when you're in a dream all day long in a place so real and familiar...for me it's often a never-ending water flow our houses schools and shope are all a connected island floating on it, and that isn't also your life or one of many and this we wake up from and think it a silly world compared to the physics of that world and our identity in it?

a reply to: Blue Shift

"How about if there is no afterlife, but only a constant recycling of the same perception of life, over and over again forever?"

Well, thanks for contradicting yourself from the get go lol

Acting like you some kind of GPS.

But I do find those black holes interesting, but you would have to be out of the body or it would most likely cause a mess.

originally posted by: Guiltyguitarist
a reply to: centrifugal

Yes. I’ve had that exact thought before. Even without a soul we would live as another being a trillion years in the future as our atoms make up other beings.

Assuming the materialist view of the world is correct...There might not be a way out of that bind.

Another interesting thing to note is all of us were once together at the singularity before the big bang. This is just the current state of the bang unfolding. Though it may seem a long time ago for our relative understanding it's just getting started.

so where were "we" before the big bang ? isn't that then the ' before life', the big bang ' life' & what we are in now , the ' after life'.?
Perhaps after this we go back to whatever we & it was pre big bang ?
hmmmm, trippy !

a reply to: centrifugal

There is a good possibility that we are in a Blackhole already

originally posted by: 38181
You ever go to sleep, then wake up 8 hours later not remembering anything in the dream, nor having any feelings, thoughts, etc.? Just nothingness.

That’s what happens when we die but for infinity. Scary huh?

Yup. This is what death is like. Not blackness or a sea of nothing.. those are both ‘something’

Death is non existence. And I reckon it’s exactly what you describe.

I went for an operation years ago and when I went under to the time I woke up, there was no passage of time, no ‘waiting’, no dreams. I was out and then a couple hours later I was awake. I ceased to exist.

That’s what I think death is like. The concept of heaven or reincarnation is a human way to deny the fear of non existence.

The only time it will chance is when technology, if it ever can, advances to point where we understand and grasp consciousness and can transfer it. Until... live everyday as your last, folks.

a reply to: centrifugal

Its going to be a pretty dark afterlife down there at the bottom of a singularities gravity well where not even light can escape.

Plus what happens when you get spat back out as Hawking radiation?

a reply to: infolurker

Jesus did not have a clue as to what black holes and singularities were.

Or if he did the bible seems to have skipped over that part somewhat.

I had the thought about Hawking radiation as well, I suppose that is why the universe will continue going on forever.

I suppose it would have to be circular because a start would violate the laws of physics. Energy can't come from nothing. So any theory of the big bang defining it as the beginning would mean everything from nothing. The 2nd law of thermodynamics violated. Scientifically this would be least probable scenario. If even miniscule amounts of energy out of nothing is impossible how can we believe everything did. Again I am talking materialism. I'm not attempting to disprove a simulation hypothesis. Hawking radiation makes the most sense to me.

Before getting into any type of philosophy... Technically speaking we are made up of whatever the universe it. This essentially means even from a scientific point of view we are the universe observing itself.

Lately I have also been thinking... Humans have language, love, politics and all these things which we haven't observed anywhere's else yet. However the fact that they exist means they are inherently supported by the framework of the universe. Quarks form atoms, atoms for molecules, eventually we get nebulas and forms of geology, then we get enzymes, bacteria, viruses, all the way up to humans. Now we build machines.

Is the universe building something?

a reply to: centrifugal

"Is the universe building something?"

Don't know about building but it's expanding, well space-time is apparently.

Our Universe is thought to consist of three types of substance, normal matter, dark matter, and dark energy.

The normal matter being that which make up the stars, planets..........human beings and every other visible object in the our universe.

Technically speaking we are made of stardust.

Also something comes from nothing all the time at the quantum level where particles pop in and out of existence all willy-nilly, so there's that.

a reply to: centrifugal

I respect anyone who thinks about / considers any kind of afterlife, just as a matter of general principle. It is time well spent, considering such. Always.

Thanks for the thread

originally posted by: Fowlerstoad
a reply to: centrifugal

I respect anyone who thinks about / considers any kind of afterlife, just as a matter of general principle. It is time well spent, considering such. Always.

Thanks for the thread

No problem. It's all basically magic as far as I'm concerned. My mind is blown every day that anything exists at all.

Virtually every religion and society has embraced the notion that humans continue to exist, or will exist again, after death. Among the many beliefs, which one is true?

“What Is Truth?”

THAT question was cynically posed to Jesus by the Roman Governor Pontius Pilate. He was not interested in an answer, and Jesus did not give him one. Perhaps Pilate viewed truth as too elusive to grasp.​—John 18:38.

This disdainful attitude toward truth is shared by many today, including religious leaders, educators, and politicians. They hold that truth​—especially moral and spiritual truth—​is not absolute but relative and ever changing. This, of course, implies that people can determine for themselves what is right and what is wrong. (Isaiah 5:20, 21) It also allows people to reject as out-of-date the values and moral standards held by past generations.

The statement that prompted Pilate’s question is worth noting. Jesus had said: “For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth.” (John 18:37) Truth to Jesus was no vague, incomprehensible concept. He promised his disciples: “You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”​—John 8:32.

Where can such truth be found? On one occasion, Jesus said in prayer to God: “Your word is truth.” (John 17:17) The Bible, written under divine inspiration, reveals truth that provides both reliable guidance and a sure hope for the future​—everlasting life.​—2 Timothy 3:15-17.

Pilate indifferently rejected the opportunity to learn such truth. What about you? ...

In the 3,000-year-old book of Ecclesiastes, Solomon wrote: “The living are conscious that death will come to them, but the dead are not conscious of anything, and they no longer have a reward, because there is no memory of them. Their love and their hate and their envy are now ended.” He added: “Whatever comes to your hand to do with all your power, do it because there is no work, or thought, or knowledge, or wisdom in the place of the dead to which you are going.”​—Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10, The Bible in Basic English.

Solomon was inspired to say that “the fate of the sons of men and the fate of the beasts is the same. As is the death of one so is the death of the other . . . Man is not higher than the beasts . . . All go to one place, all are of the dust, and all will be turned to dust again.”​—Ecclesiastes 3:19, 20, The Bible in Basic English.

Although written by King Solomon, the above words were inspired by God and form part of his written Word, the Bible. These scriptures, along with many others in the Bible, do not support the popular belief that something inside us survives death to live on in another form. (Genesis 2:7; 3:19; Ezekiel 18:4) Is God then telling us that “dust,” or nothingness, is the ultimate end for all humans? Definitely not.

The Bible does not teach that any part of a human survives death. Yet, it does offer an unmistakably clear hope for those who die. The apostle Paul expressed this encouraging teaching in this way: “I have hope toward God . . . that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.” The word “resurrection,” or some form of it, occurs over 50 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures, and Paul speaks of it as a primary doctrine of the Christian faith.​—Acts 24:15; Hebrews 6:1, 2.

Resurrection from the dead means, obviously, that death exists. Nowhere in the Bible will you find any hint that man has an immortal soul. If man had an immortal soul that separated from the body at death and went to an everlasting destiny in heaven or in hell or was reincarnated, then there would be no need for a resurrection. On the other hand, some one hundred Bible texts show that the human soul is, not immortal, but mortal and destructible. The Bible consistently speaks of death as being the opposite of life, that is, nonexistence as contrasted with existence.

Death, or nonexistence, was the punishment for Adam and Eve’s sin against God. It was a punishment, not an entryway to an immortal life somewhere else. God clearly declared that they would go back to where they came from​—the dust of the ground: “Out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19) They had no immortal soul before they were created by God and put on earth, in the garden of Eden, and they had none after they died.

Myth 1: The Soul Is Immortal