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Up to 400 children died at a Scottish orphanage run by nuns and were buried in a single unmarked grave, new research has revealed.
originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: vonclod
Another good question. And I hate when shjt don't add up?
That's how innocent people get screwed and the guilty walk
sometimes. And we can't have that.
This stuff better be proven.
In the last half century there’s also been an increased “gaying of the priesthood” in the West. Throughout the 1970s, several hundred men left the priesthood each year, many of them for marriage. As straight priests left the church for domestic bliss, the proportion of remaining priests who were gay grew. In a survey of several thousand priests in the U.S., the Los Angeles Times found that 28 percent of priests between the ages of 46 and 55 reported that they were gay. This statistic was higher than the percentages found in other age brackets and reflected the outflow of straight priests throughout the 1970s and ’80s.
originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Randyvine
How do people react when a female teacher has sex with an underage boy, if the boy acts upset at all they are mocked and ridiculed.
No care about their actual mental health just you had sex be happy, now toss in raped by a same sex partner how many gay cracks did they endure if they ever talked about it.
Lastly toss in the power of the catholic church, in addition to the nuns probably beating into their heads that this was their fault for years...
Once mental health is fractured its a mean witch to fix.
What the hell is going on with the Catholic church and child abuse?
originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Randyvine
nope never said that, just if the story is true what I suggested could easily lead to people not talking.
There are a laundry list of reasons well documented on why victims of assault dont speak out, that does not mean the nuns are guilty.
Why are you defending the nuns? Generally it’s the pimp, not the John who’s the one you put most of your attention on? Oh wait, wahmenz right. There is zero defense for selling children and you want to ignore it. It really spits in the face of toxic masculinity and the purity of those born with more proper genitalia. Sexist, and no veil how scandalous!
originally posted by: Boadicea
Not to excuse any abuse in any way, but I suspect that there is more to this than we're being told, and it may not be exactly what we're being told.
I am quite disturbed and curious as to why it was the Archdiocese asked to conduct this investigation, and not law enforcement authorities. Why would anyone trust a report by the Archidiocese essentially investigating themselves? Apparently they did find some incriminating evidence, but that seems to be questionable itself.
Haucke, who led the victims' group of those who survived the nuns until he resigned over the censoring of the report, says Woelki told them in October 2020 that the report was not “legally watertight” and contained “inadmissible prejudices” against the Catholic church that were fed by scandals going on elsewhere. “The survivors were used again,” he said, referring to their cooperation in the report only to have it kept private.
Would that be why the focus is only on the nuns? Rather than those men who actually inflicted the abuse?
The report names various German businessmen and complicit clergy who “rented” the young boys from the nuns who ran a convent in Speyer, Germany between the 1960s and 1970s.
Why are those men not being named?
And is it possible that the nuns were not the ones actually running the show? Perhaps not even aware (tho probably suspicious) of what was actually going on? I'm not Catholic, but as I understand it, nuns (women) are subservient to the priests and other clergy (men.) Especially back in the 60s and 70s.
This is not to say the victims are lying, but I very much doubt they had the all the facts to judge the situation by, nor the critical thinking skills to process it. I just think there's much more to this.
Why are you defending the nuns?
Generally it’s the pimp, not the John who’s the one you put most of your attention on?
Oh wait, wahmenz right.
There is zero defense for selling children...
...and you want to ignore it.
It really spits in the face of toxic masculinity and the purity of those born with more proper genitalia. Sexist, and no veil how scandalous!
originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Rob808
Why are you defending the nuns?
Excuse me? You really want to go there? Okay.
At no time did I defend anyone or anything.
Generally it’s the pimp, not the John who’s the one you put most of your attention on?
Which is exactly what I did. Only I didn't LIMIT my focus to the nuns. Rather, I included the disgusting perverts that actually did the dirty deeds. The MEN. Why are you not putting most of your attention on the MEN who actually committed the abuse?
Oh wait, wahmenz right.
Well, yes, actually... women who were very much under the direction and control of MEN. But... oh wait... MENZ, right??? We'll just pretend like laws did not subjugate women to men's will in those days, right? We'll just pretend like the Catholic church is a matriarchy rather than a PATRIARCHY, right? We'll just pretend like it was the nuns squirting their jizz all over these boys, right? Because... MENZ, right???
There is zero defense for selling children...
Yup. Zero defense for selling children... and zero defense for sexually abusing children.
...and you want to ignore it.
No. I'm not the one ignoring anything or anyone. I'm the one trying to point out that the nuns did not act alone, and quite possibly did not act of their own volition, and sure as hell did not do the dirty deeds themselves. That was the MENZ. You could throw every single one of those nuns in jail, burn them at the stake, whatever... and the MENZ will find other ways to victimize children.
But you just want to ignore that, right? Because MENZ. Why do YOU want to give the MENZ a free pass to abuse and victimize even MORE children???
It really spits in the face of toxic masculinity and the purity of those born with more proper genitalia. Sexist, and no veil how scandalous!
You are literally displaying toxic masculinity by your very refusal to blame the men and insistence on blaming only the women.
Toxic masculinity indeed.
It's not an either/or for me on this. The men and women both deserve to be scrutinized and punished. The nuns were complicit when they could have banded together and brought to light what was going on, but they didn't most likely because they were profiting from it.
I personally give them no pass. I won't make excuses for anyone who does this kind of thing.
There is no evidence that the women were forced to do it, but you come across as trying to have the men more guilty as if they were coercing the women to do it. Bring forth some evidence, otherwise the male clergy, business men, and nuns are all equally guilty.