Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

a reply to: alphabetaone

Actually you're mistaken. I've accused people of embellishing upon the weight of their argument, not that their argument(s) were meritless in totality.

Recollections -- and the record -- varies. To wit, from your previous comment:

Don't be offended, but I honestly dont believe you or anyone that says they want the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

I'm not going to play semantics with you. You have said what you have said.

Facts and truth are elusive, especially in a world where perception becomes reality for those inclined to be creative.

Indeed.

Arizona's Sectary of State and Maricopa County Board of supervisors have released reports demonizing the results of the full forensic audit ahead of their release.

www.businessinsider.com...

The contractor's report on the audit is scheduled for release before the end of August. In a Thursday statement, the office of Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs, a Democrat, reiterated its criticisms of the audit, saying: "This exercise is more accurately described as a partisan review of the 2020 General Election ballots in Maricopa County, the results of which are invalid and unreliable."

In the letter, Richer noted that two prior audits of the ballot count last year matched the declared result of the election in the county by 100% — and no evidence has emerged to substantiate concerns the election may have been tainted by fraud. He was also scathing about the election-fraud conspiracy theories pushed by Trump and other senior members of his party. Observers of the Cyber Ninjas audit have said that, at times, the auditors appeared to be attempting to substantiating conspiracy theories, including looking for traces of bamboo on ballots on the basis of the groundless claim that they were sent from China as part of a foreign plot to hijack the vote. "I'm embarrassed listening to my party concoct the most outlandish theories (Chinese ballots!) to avoid accepting the reality: we lost the top two races in Arizona," Richer wrote.

originally posted by: Boadicea


I'm not going to play semantics with you. You have said what you have said.

LOL all we've GOT here is semantics, if that's your goal, then stop replying to me.

"Yes, that code isn't part of ballot security. There are other identifiers- serial numbers and precinct codes that can be matched up to the envelopes. The AZ audit hasn't been given access to the envelopes, just the signature images. That will create gap as far as what is discoverable and what is not."

Why is this nonsense being allowed? How can a complete audit be performed without the envelopes? It's time to put our feet down, for sure, and demand election officials carry out their duties irregardless of their feelings and bias.

Grow up.

This is just a silly idealistic notion. The reality is that people DONT want the truth. They dont want to know how animals are butchered, they just want to know they have a hamburger. They dont want to understand the atrocities leading up to the development of the microwave oven, just that it warms up their hot pockets....and so on. And honestly, there's often a solid foundation for NOT wanting the truth. Or do you REALLY want to know if you look fat in those jeans?

a reply to: alphabetaone

Since when has "idealism" taken on a negative connotation? It's not silly to believe achieving higher goals is the point of life.
I explored how animals are butchered; how they're raised is worse and why I became vegan.
I know the military/industrial complex's experimental atrocities, that's why I work to bring them (the cabal) down.
I know I looked fat in my jeans. I cared enough to buy better jeans. Now I look goooood.

What we don't know keeps us from progressing. It is the cabal-created dam of knowledge that has stunted human evolution. As an intelligent species, it's only the knowledge of things that evolve us; we learn, we react. Humans course-correct when we see wrong. Because we're good. We're light. Our block-chain (DNA) says so, and no one is going to destroy it.

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: carewemust

If the election was stolen via fraud, a resounding "YES!". Mere "threats" are extremely minor, compared to what traitors deserve.

You may not think so. But that's OK, my sensitive colleague.

I feel confident that sensitivity has nothing to do with the desire to not threaten people with explosive devices because of some skewed belief of (pay attention to the key word here) massive (there it was) election fraud.

However, i also prefer obeying federal law, domestic terrorism is in clear violation of that.

The honesty and integrity of authorities who make up any said set of rules, and my personal wants, dictates whether I follow them, or not.

Your "personal wants" is what dictates? You realize you're talking about anarchy right? You realize precisely how scary a scenario that presents right?

You obviously associate with people who say and do what is socially acceptable and proper, without examining the source of rules and laws they parrot and follow.

Due to actions/inactions of our government, from the SCOTUS, to Congress, to DOJ, to CDC, and their liberal media cronies, the percentage of Americans who think as you do, is shrinking. I would say we're about 60% sheep / 40% Renegade right now. With Sheep shrinking in number, and Renegades growing in number.

a reply to: alphabetaone

LOL all we've GOT here is semantics...

You may only have semantics... but only if you so choose. We have far more than that if you choose to actually deal with the truth.

A breach of the voter database up to and including Election Day is not semantics.

An FBI raid and seizure of electronic devices in relation to that breach is not semantics.

Violating election laws is not semantics.

Defying a Supreme Court order is not semantics.

Denying voters their legal right to a new ballot is not semantics.

Printing misaligned ballots is not semantics.

Using substandard paper for ballots is not semantics.

Instructing and insisting that voters use incorrect Sharpies is not semantics.

Excessive adjudicated ballots is not semantics.

Refusing to comply with lawful subpoenas is not semantics.

All of the above are facts. All of the above have weakened and eliminated safeguards and accountability in the election process. All of the above are huge problems.

...if that's your goal, then stop replying to me.

Please. Keeping in mind that it is my responsibility to tend my thread, I will respond (or not) as I so choose. As will you. If you are not up to the challenge, then perhaps you should amuse yourself elsewhere.

originally posted by: IndieA
Arizona's Sectary of State and Maricopa County Board of supervisors have released reports demonizing the results of the full forensic audit ahead of their release.

www.businessinsider.com...

Thank you so much for posting!

I've only skimmed the reports, I was so exhausted and barely functioning by the time I saw it last night, but they both sure seemed to be doing their best to taint the well before the report is released. I think I actually threw up a little in my mouth when I read Richer's "prick me and I bleed" comment. This isn't about him, and since he wasn't County Recorder at the time of the election, the only criticism of him is for not complying with the audit. Neither addressed the known problems -- not before, during or after the election.

Their criticisms of the audit, the auditors, and everyone else involved would have been better spent if they could have directly attacked the findings of the audit. This is just whining. They blew their wad too soon.

However, it occurred to me that Richer sure sounded like a Democrat. And the more he tried to boast about his Republican street creds just sounded like he doth protest too much. No one cares if his feelings are hurt. He can save his tears for his pillow....
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For all --

Here is the statement in its entirety from Katie Hobbs, the Secretary of State:

Office of the Arizona Secretary of State: Report on the Partisan Review of the 2020 General Election in Maricopa County (pdf)

Here is the AP's article about it if you aren't inclined to read the whole report:

Katie Hobbs: Senate's election audit 'failed to meet basic standards'
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Here is the statement in its entirety from Stephen Richer, the County Recorder:

Dear Arizona Republicans

Here is an article from AZ Family about it if you don't want to read the whole thing:

Maricopa County takes preemptive shot at upcoming report on election audit

ETA quote from Fann:

In response, Senate President Karen Fann, a Republican from Prescott, said the two reports show how worried Richer and Hobbs are about the findings in the upcoming audit report.

"Once again, this shows they are concerned about what might be revealed on the report, and they are trying to preemptively set the stage to justify any wrongdoings the report might show," Fann said in a text message.

More from AZ:

AZ Audit Report Update

Just got off the phone with the AZ Audit spokesperson Randy Pullen. Updates:

• Main report is being delivered Monday. No numbers will be publicly released then. Numbers will come with the final report when it is public.
  
• Machine count handed over to the Senate today.
  
• Envelope analysis starting shortly. Report will come later. They have the envelope images.

The Arizona Senate is now reportedly also conducting the ‘canvass’ of voters which will attempt to find votes that were illegally cast by those not living at the address listed on the voter roll.

The original source for the above is a Telegram account: Arizona Conservatives Take Action. This telegram account also has this posted:

Forwarded from
Rep. Jake Hoffman
Election Integrity is the MOST important issue facing our nation

Here were my Election Integrity bills in 2021 that were signed into law:

✅ Banned private funding of elections (Zuckerberg money)

✅ Banned mass mailing of ballots (like the radical leftist Maricopa County Recorder tried to do) AND added a Class 5 felony for any rogue County Recorder that violates this law

✅ Banned modifying statutorily prescribed elections law (like radical leftist Katie Hobbs did) AND added a Class 6 felony for any rogue official that violates this law

✅ Only state in the country to formally OPPOSE Washington DC Democrats’ attempt to take over and rig America’s elections

✅ Established the Election Integrity Fund with an initial $12M appropriation intended to pay for election security, election cybersecurity, and the hand tabulation of votes (ie no machines)

Here were a couple other Election Integrity bills from my colleagues in 2021 that were also signed into law:

✅ Mandate that the Secretary of State REMOVE DEAD VOTERS from the voter rolls (Rep. Kaiser’s bill)

✅ Clean up the Early Voter List to ensure that those who refuse to vote are removed after a reasonable amount of time (Sen. Ugenti-Rita’s bill)

There were many other important Election Integrity reforms in 2021 from many of my colleagues as well. The list above is by no means exhaustive.

Arizona takes this issue seriously and will continue to fight for the security and integrity of our elections in 2022!

I expect far more election reform bills to be passed after the report is released and the need is illustrated and justified.
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Major Conservative Groups Join Arizona Legislators to Launch New Arizona Voter ID Ballot Initiative Effort

A coalition of conservative organizations is working with Arizona Republican legislators to put the Arizonans for Voter ID Act on the ballot next fall. The initiative will require voter ID on mail-in ballots, improve existing in-person voter ID requirements, prevent ballot harvesting by enhancing voter ID requirements for in-person ballot drop-off, and provide a free voter ID option to lawfully registered Arizona voters who need it for voting.

Rep. Jake Hoffman (R-Queen Creek) refuted the criticism that the initiative is supposed to benefit Republicans. During his press conference speech, he cited a recent Data Orbital poll, which found that all Arizonans overwhelmingly support voter ID requirements. A majority from every major demographic — race, ethnicity, Republicans, Democrats, and Independents — support it, averaging 82 percent of likely Arizona voters. Another 63% want voter ID required for mail-in voting.

A May poll by the public affairs consulting group High Ground found that 78 percent of Arizona Republicans and 42 percent of all Arizonans believe there was significant fraud in the 2020 election. The Maricopa County ballot audit ordered by the Arizona Senate found 74,243 mail-in ballots that were found by auditors to have no record of ever being sent out, 18,000 voters who were scrubbed from the registration rolls after the election, and 4,000 who registered after the deadline. The official report is expected within the next couple of weeks.

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Jovan Pulitzer Uncovers Not ‘Watermarks’ in Ballots – But Better (VIDEO)

In a video he released Wednesday on Twitter, Jovan explained that identifying markings are in fact on the ballots and are exactly what they were looking for during the audit! He explained it wasn’t bamboo paper as audit detractors claimed, and it wasn’t secret “watermarks” either.

It was, however, a secret printer identifying protocol established years ago by the Secret Service to help catch counterfeiters.

The "secret printer identifying protocol" are digital markings.

The matrix decodes the placement of the markings and reveals the precise identity of the printer by serial number along with the exact date and time the document was printed.

There is video of Jovan explaining at the link.
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AZ Senator Wendy Rogers continues to walk her talk:

Wendy Rogers Speaks At PA Audit The Vote Rally

Virginia Election Integrity & Full Forensic Audit Event With AZ State Sen. Wendy Rogers And VA State Sen. Amanda Chase

Major Audit The Vote Rally Scheduled Next Tuesday, Aug. 24th, in Greenville, North Carolina

Go Wendy!!!

originally posted by: Boadicea


Jovan Pulitzer Uncovers Not ‘Watermarks’ in Ballots – But Better (VIDEO)

In a video he released Wednesday on Twitter, Jovan explained that identifying markings are in fact on the ballots and are exactly what they were looking for during the audit! He explained it wasn’t bamboo paper as audit detractors claimed, and it wasn’t secret “watermarks” either.

It was, however, a secret printer identifying protocol established years ago by the Secret Service to help catch counterfeiters.

The "secret printer identifying protocol" are digital markings.

The matrix decodes the placement of the markings and reveals the precise identity of the printer by serial number along with the exact date and time the document was printed.

There is video of Jovan explaining at the link.
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this one looks promising, It's looking in the right direction as I see it. Coupled with the envelope audit. It's my theory that they new late into the first night, they needed an ass load of paper ballots to beat Trump, so they printed them, as many as was needed. Those will show up in this look, they will be verified counterfeit, and there will not be envelopes to accompany the ballots. I could be wrong, I once was, but this is what I think happened, and why recounting the ballots would just offer the same result. Eliminate the fraudulent ballots and count again.

originally posted by: GammaD

Since when has "idealism" taken on a negative connotation?

When it not attainable.

originally posted by: GammaD
It's not silly to believe achieving higher goals is the point of life.

Right. But the "higher goal" being sought after here is fundamentally based upon a faulty premise. As i continue to point out "MASSIVE" election fraud. Massive is an important element to all this. If i felt it were "massive" i would be right there with em. So instead, a wide swath prefer to believe a KNOWN liar and con-man giving them advice on our most sacred Constitutional process....as opposed to factual data which suggest NO massive election fraud.

originally posted by: GammaD
I explored how animals are butchered; how they're raised is worse and why I became vegan.

That's great and kudos. Yet, you dont represent the majority.

originally posted by: GammaD
I know the military/industrial complex's experimental atrocities, that's why I work to bring them (the cabal) down.

Oh you do huh? Exactly how do you do that?

originally posted by: GammaD
I know I looked fat in my jeans. I cared enough to buy better jeans. Now I look goooood.

That great too, and kudos again. It was an example, a well-known one, you're simply being contrarian for the sake of it, and experience has shown me that once again, you're in a minority.

originally posted by: GammaD
What we don't know keeps us from progressing. It is the cabal-created dam of knowledge that has stunted human evolution.

Ummmm what "cabal-created dam of knowledge"? You're free to learn whatever you want. This isn't nazi germany.

originally posted by: GammaD
As an intelligent species, it's only the knowledge of things that evolve us; we learn, we react. Humans course-correct when we see wrong. Because we're good. We're light. Our block-chain (DNA) says so, and no one is going to destroy it.

That's funny, cuz it seems to me this thread is exactly the antithesis of what you;ve just said. According to most replying here, the fraud was so "MASSIVE" that there is little light and much dark in people. So which is it?

originally posted by: carewemust

You obviously associate with people who say and do what is socially acceptable and proper, without examining the source of rules and laws they parrot and follow.

Socially acceptable? Yea, of course...that is precisely what gives rise to civilized nations as opposed to anarchy rule. We may not like the laws, but we're bound to them. Frankly you sould be banned from this site for suggesting people break the laws.

Maybe you need a reminder:

12e) Compliance With Laws: You agree to comply in all material respects with all applicable laws, rules, and regulations in connection with your activities under the Terms and Conditions of Use (and for members, the Additional Terms and Conditions of Membership).

Yet....you get celebrated by some, and THAT is why it's disturbing. You, like trump, think you're above the law.

originally posted by: GammaD
Due to actions/inactions of our government, from the SCOTUS, to Congress, to DOJ, to CDC, and their liberal media cronies, the percentage of Americans who think as you do, is shrinking. I would say we're about 60% sheep / 40% Renegade right now. With Sheep shrinking in number, and Renegades growing in number.

Liberal blah blah blah......

Renegades are growing? Like i said, you should be banned from this site.

a reply to: network dude

I'm not so sure about that, only because there have been suggestions that the printer -- Runbeck -- is part of the scam. One worker stated that uncounted ballots kept coming in from Runbeck the week (maybe longer) following the election. Runbeck also printed the ballots for Fulton County, Georgia, and others. If Runbeck was part of the scam, then they could have easily printed the new ballots, and all ballots would have the appropriate markings.

Election workers were also printing ballots on-site for adjudicated ballots. So either the machines printing the new ballots also had the same digital markings, or we should expect that at least those duplicate ballots will not have the digital markings.

But if Runbeck was not part of the scam, then I expect you are right, and I do hope they also checked the original adjudicated ballots for those digital markings, because I would expect at least some of those were wholly fraudulent as well.

ETA: This made me laugh:

... I could be wrong, I once was...

I am so totally stealing that!

a reply to: alphabetaone

Right. But the "higher goal" being sought after here is fundamentally based upon a faulty premise. As i continue to point out "MASSIVE" election fraud. Massive is an important element to all this. If i felt it were "massive" i would be right there with em. So instead, a wide swath prefer to believe a KNOWN liar and con-man giving them advice on our most sacred Constitutional process....as opposed to factual data which suggest NO massive election fraud.

Those are weasel words and you know it.

"Massive" is a relative word that cannot be definitively quantified. And it therefore renders it meaningless in this instance.

One could rightfully say -- in some circumstances -- that one county cheating in the entire state is not "massive." One could also that even if every single vote for Trump was flipped to Biden in the smallest county, that it is not "massive." One could also rightfully say that cheating in the county with the overwhelming largest population of all counties in a state is not "massive" if it is only that one county in the entire country.

But in this context, in these circumstances -- the totality of circumstances -- if there is enough cheating in one county in one state to change the outcome of the election, and therefore impacts the entire nation, then it is indeed "massive" cheating in its impact, if not in its totality.

Unless and until we know the extent to which the cheating occurred in not just Maricopa County and Arizona, but all over the nation, it is impossible to judge if it is "massive" or not.

That's funny, cuz it seems to me this thread is exactly the antithesis of what you;ve just said. According to most replying here, the fraud was so "MASSIVE" that there is little light and much dark in people. So which is it?

Over the course of time -- and this thread -- we have learned a great deal about how poorly the election was conducted, and much wrongdoing has been documented. It is firmly moved from questioning "if" there was wrongdoing, to trying to understand just "how much" wrongdoing took place. We have yet to know if it was incompetence, arrogance, or a willful and deliberate effort to steal an election. We have yet to know to what extent -- if at all -- it impacted the election outcome. The vast majority on this thread are still asking questions and wondering and waiting. The vast majority of us have not already made up our minds about anything.

The vast majority of us also recognize and acknowledge that serious wrongdoing has taken place, that the responsible/guilty parties are refusing to cooperate and are outright defying the law, and that there are far more questions than answers at this point. It is just the few who refuse to admit there are HUGE problems with the 2020 election... and the officials who conducted the election.

a reply to: alphabetaone

...You, like trump, think you're above the law....

Actually, more like the Democrat Maricopa County Recorder and the Democrat Arizona Secretary of State who changed election processes and protocols in direct violation of the law AND the Constitution...

And more like the Maricopa County Recorder when he defied a Supreme Court order...

And more like the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors who refuse to comply with lawful court affirmed subpoenas...

And more like Dominion who likewise refuses to comply with lawful court affirmed subpoenas...

There's a lot of drama happening in Pennsylvania, but before I dig into that, here's some general election/audit news:

AG Barr Told Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer to Stop Looking Into Truck Driver Jesse Morgan’s Testimony That He Moved More Than 200,000 Fraudulent Ballots from NY to PA Before the 2020 Election

This week, Tony Shaffer was on with Joe Hoft on ‘Tomorrow’s News Today’, a new radio program on local St. Louis 93.3 FM and he confirmed the same story. Shaffer confirmed that the AG of the US, Bill Barr, called Tony and told him to stop looking into the Jesse Morgan incident.

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15 Million Votes in 2020 Election Not Accounted For, Report Finds

The report found that 1.1 million mail-in ballots were undeliverable for various reasons. Election officials rejected another 560,814 mail-in ballots.

Another 14.7 million mailed ballots met an “unknown” fate, the report says.

So how significant are 14.7 million votes?

A Washington Post analysis in February found that flipping fewer than 43,000 votes across those three states could have changed the election outcome. In the nationwide popular vote, Biden received 81,268,924 votes to Trump’s 74,216,154—a margin of 7,052,770 votes.

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Alert — Gavin Newsom is cheating in California recall election… ‘Votes are visible through the envelope’…

California Rigging the Governor Election Against Larry Elder and Those Who Voted for Recall

I'm going to let the headlines tell the tale:

P ennsylvania Senate GOP Leadership Furious with Senator Mastriano over Proposed Election Audit

Pa. senator’s plan to issue election subpoenas ‘stopped’

UPDATED WITH OAN VIDEO: Pennsylvania GOP Senate Leader Jake Corman Is Preventing Sen. Doug Mastriano from Issuing Subpoenas for Forensic Audit

(VIDEO) PA State Rep Rob Kauffman: “CALL SENATOR CORMAN’S OFFICE – We Want To Make Sure He’s On Board”

BREAKI NG: PA Senate President Corman Has FIRED State Sen. Doug Mastriano’s Staff To Prevent a Forensic Audit

Senator Mastriano Gives Stunning Update On PA Subpoenas (Video)

PA GOP Senator Holding Up Election Audit Changes Tune (Video)

Se nator Jake Corman LIED: Said That Cris Dush Led PA Delegation To Arizona – Mastriano Led And Insisted Dush Attend
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In a video interview with Steve Bannon, Sen Corman stated that Senator Mastriano has walked away from the audit and his previous efforts to bring an audit. I have read that Sen Mastriano denies this, but I have not found confirmation one way or the other. It ain't over yet...

From Sen Wendy Rogers:

Got this directly from Senate President Karen Fann:

The draft report should be finished this coming week. Then the AZ Senate’s specialized legal team will comb through it. This team includes the auditor, Senate president, Senate Judiciary chair, attorneys, and key Senate staff. They will verify the draft for accuracy, proof of documentation, and clarity. The AZ Senate will only issue a report that can be proven and is void of possible misinterpretation. Once these specialized Senate experts fully examine this report, the auditors will then prepare the final report, which will be presented to AZ Senate Judiciary Committee and the public.

Also from Wendy:

For those saying the Arizona Audit Results are taking too long, I can tell you they are coming faster than 49 other states.

BOOM!

I am impatient also, but I am very thankful for what we have. It is more than anyone else is providing. Let's hope that changes very very soon.

a reply to: Boadicea

The AZ Senate will only issue a report that can be proven and is void of possible misinterpretation.

Right. No room for misinterpretation.

Like there as any such thing. But this report will be very special in that regard. Because Fann says so.

a reply to: Phage

Awwwww... another prebuttal. How very special.

Okay, Phage, gotcha. You've already made your mind up so you don't need to see the report... you don't want to see the report... because you already know.

If that's good enough for you, okeydokey.