Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

originally posted by: nemonimity
a reply to: alphabetaone

I think that was the lesson to learn from the Trump vs Hillary election. Both candidates we're horrible, but the extremists were the ones given the mics because they drew the biggest audience and it lead to a massively distorted view of the facts. Most all of us became blinded to the facts because we could only see extremes being represented and that little wobble became a whole big problem with regaining national stability.

In all actuality, the Media elected Trump. They enacted newton's third law. The harder they pushed "stupid Trump" for ratings, and giving him most of the airtime, the harder those who hated Hillary, probably more than most hate Trump, dug in and became fans. IMHO

a reply to: nemonimity

If it was me, I’d slaughter some sacred cows. See if you can spot the difference:

Amendment XVI

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

Amendment XXVI

Section 1.

The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of age.

Section 2.

The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

I’ll give you a hint, Section 2 appears in a whole lot of amendments. So the Tax Code, the IRS, special tax courts that operate outside of the legal system....vaporware.

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originally posted by: nemonimity
a reply to: network dude

It happened in 2016, and to their credit, after some recounts happened and some were rejected or haulted, the democrats moved on to their "not my president" rhetoric, but at least they excepted the outcome.

I'd hope for the same from the republicans.

Funny how democrats have zero recollection of psy riots & thousands of fires, starting on inauguration day.

Or the illegal wiretapping of Trump administration that continued for at least 6 more months.



Zero credit for brainwashed democrats.

They have not earned any.

a reply to: Ahabstar
You are jumping all over the place so I'll see if I can follow your leaps,

You don't think the democrats stopped their cries of election fraud because they pushed a Russian agenda story and they pursued trump through what you consider non legal means.
You consider them non legal means because the constitution and it's amendments don't specifically explain their existence only mentioning congress abilities through appropriate legislation, which isn't defined.
This means that an armed coup outside of the framework of the law is analogous to dirty tricks within the framework because any laws not in the constitution or it's amendments, aren't real, or in modern terms are half-life 3.

If that's what your saying, then yes I see a difference between acting within the law, whether it's local federal or constitutional and acting outside it. And as crummy as it might be, having republicans get back at democrats in the same they were attacked, within the framework of the law, is better than an armed coup.

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Democrats we're doing that long before the election, just like the government was corrupt long before Obama. It seems like both parties like to pick time frames that fit their own biases and narratives rather than living in the real world.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: nemonimity
a reply to: alphabetaone

I think that was the lesson to learn from the Trump vs Hillary election. Both candidates we're horrible, but the extremists were the ones given the mics because they drew the biggest audience and it lead to a massively distorted view of the facts. Most all of us became blinded to the facts because we could only see extremes being represented and that little wobble became a whole big problem with regaining national stability.

In all actuality, the Media elected Trump. They enacted newton's third law. The harder they pushed "stupid Trump" for ratings, and giving him most of the airtime, the harder those who hated Hillary, probably more than most hate Trump, dug in and became fans. IMHO

First give them a big hug!

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Then, go back to enjoying their anger and fear.

a reply to: network dude

I don't think so, I think it was just due to how unlikable Hillary was, I didn't vote for him but I thought in that scenario he was the lesser of two evils. I didn't expect him to go so hard on the cultish "i am the last and greatest president ever" trip during his presidency though. That and his flagrant disregard for our allies and international obligations made me realize he was completely unqualified for the presidency even as a patsy.

originally posted by: nemonimity
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Democrats we're doing that long before the election, just like the government was corrupt long before Obama. It seems like both parties like to pick time frames that fit their own biases and narratives rather than living in the real world.

So you have evidence that Republicans got illegal fisa to spy on democrats?

Or started thousands of riot fires in several major cities on inauguration day?



Maybe the problem is your brainwashing.

Because the timeline you are imagining doesn't exist.

a reply to: Nunyabizisit
I didn't say either of those things, you even quoted my text :/

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
a reply to: bloodymarvelous


I don't think Trump intentionally threw anything.

Might make for an interesting book though.

Was calling out the fraud from early signs (I saw them too) in hopes it would convince democrats to stop, having few other options at the time.

Covid/mass mail voting was obvious scheme from very early on.

Ask yourself why he didn't have the newly appointed post master, Louis DeJoy, who had previously donated money to Trump's campaign, and was probably a reliable ally, put better safeguards in place?

The US Post Office could have been keeping count on its own end of exactly how many ballots were received for delivery, and how many were delivered to final recipients. Letters have a "smart code" on them these days that makes it possible for the sorting machines to flag them, and in theory to record information like that.

Better yet: they could have put actual tracking numbers on each ballot, the way they do with packages/parcels. There would be a "pick up" scan, showing exactly when and where the ballot entered the mail stream, and a "delivery" scan showing when and where it was delivered (including GPS of the location it was scanned delivered at.)



But if those things were in place, there probably wouldn't have been a steal. Nothing big, anyway. Nothing glaringly obvious that could be proven.

I think it was bait. I don't think Trump actually cares if he's president. It was something he was doing in order to gain a place in history.

If he wants his legacy to be getting rid of corruption, the losing his presidency to do it would be a strategic sacrifice.

a reply to: nemonimity

The Democrats did not stop the “Resist” movement at any time from Election Day 2016 to now with the Insurrection nonsense.

The Democrats would capitulate if the People were reminded that only Congress can directly tax income. Not the IRS. Not collected by your employer. Not strong armed by an extrajudicial “tax court” that violates civil protections guaranteed by the Constitution. The amendment as written allows for your Representative to write you a tax bill based on what they think you owe...which puts their odds of re-election at about 0% chance.

There is no mention of armed militias. Or a gun of any sort. Check my posts in thread. But you can write this down, there will be presidential pardons coming for those railroaded by the Democrats in their Jan6 Witchcraft Trials. Won’t be Joe or Kamala. Nancy might unless the fraud sweeps her up too and she isn’t Speaker which might not be in Jan 2023 anyway as the House may be lost in the MidTerms.

a reply to: Ahabstar

I don't know where your goal posts are going to get moved too from here on out but the democrats stopped the push for audits when the couple that were done finished with no proof of massive and systematic cheating and the others that were proposed or underway were nixed by the courts or stopped during their processes. They moved on to using whatever legal precedents they could to stymie trump.

The amendments stipulate in their vaguery that congress can acquire taxes by their own legislation, that means that if they want to create a branch of government, or a private organization, or a guy named steve to acquire the taxes they can as long as it's backed by legislation. Neither you or I get to determine what qualifies as appropriate, the elected legislators get to, that's part of a representative democracy. I don't know why you are hung up on taxes or how that pertains to election law other than in the way I just mentioned.

I mentioned armed coup and you responded to me in a vague "guess what I'm thinking" manner. It's why it pays to be precise and to use your words. I don't know if you are standing trial for what happened in the Jan 6th insurrection or what but It doesn't matter. That was an insurrection, storming a federal building, attacking the guards of said building and trying to hunt down those in power through the building, is a violent uprising. Those people should be in jail, just like the idiots that took over the police station in Seattle. Hopefully both groups get put together. No one should get a pass because their feelings tell them they are above the law.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous


I agree 100% with this part:

"I think it was bait. I don't think Trump actually cares if he's president"

a reply to: nemonimity


"I don't know where your goal posts are going to get moved too from here on out but the democrats stopped the push for audits when the couple that were done finished"


Democrats neither requested, nor conducted any audits in 2016, Trump did.

Democrats refused audits in 2016 for exactly the same reason that they did in 2020.

Fear that democrat's own cheating would be exposed.

originally posted by: nemonimity
a reply to: Nunyabizisit
I didn't say either of those things, you even quoted my text :/

Care to explain this:

"It seems like both parties like to pick time frames that fit their own biases and narratives rather than living in the real world."


YOU wrote it.

And I demonstrated the absurdity of your statement.




There IS no comparison.

Unless brainwashed.

originally posted by: network dude


I think the majority on the right aren't going to do anything but hope for answers.

Perhaps, but i doubt it will be the major part of their day, i mean, if you spend the bulk of your awake time hoping for answers ya just cant get anything done lol

originally posted by: network dude
But to your "falsehoods", I wonder how the left would deal with it, should they realize it was on their end?

I know the Trump hate is strong, but his track record for being correct is not zero.

I have to be honest, im a bit confused why you quoted falsehoods as though it wasn't what they were? But i've seen plenty of falshoods from liberals too, it makes me happy to be neither frankly. But the disdain for Trump doesn't stem from politics (at least not us new yorkers), it stems from knowing what a piece of garbage businessman he's always been, and with that knowledge also came awareness that he simply did not have the mental capacity for the duty. I think if it were a matter of politics he would have had a 50/50 split evenly.

originally posted by: network dude
And proving fraud in this election would invalidate the bulk of "the big lie" and turn the tables on current "facts" that are the only approved talking points.

I firmly believe (and think ive said this before too) that "proving fraud" is painting with too broad a stroke. In the same way that "proving crime" exists doesn't relegate every citizen to being a criminal nor does "proving fraud" (if insiginificant enough) render the election moot. An important element in this to ME is significant, not that it merely exists. Im also pretty sure that Trump is well aware of this and uses it against people.

a reply to: alphabetaone


"Perhaps, but i doubt it will be the major part of their day, i mean, if you spend the bulk of your awake time hoping for answers ya just cant get anything done lol"


Agreed.

And perhaps the only legitimate arguement I've ever heard from a democrat on why audits shouldn't be conducted.



And I retort:

Why would anyone on the right EVER want to get anything else done if democrat's are hiding the ballots BAMN, in one of the most unusual elections in the past century?



This could have been resolved in November.

Or any month since.

But democrats went fascist instead.

a reply to: alphabetaone

'I firmly believe (and think ive said this before too) that "proving fraud" is painting with too broad a stroke"


Nonsense.

Show us the ballots.

Fraud will scream out to be noticed if there.

And deafening silence if not.

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Sure,

Democrats have been starting fires and rioting for years. Many of the people rioting during the 60's were democrats so it's at least been going on since then and I'd wager a lot longer. Also contrary to the Democratic narrative, the government has bee n colluding with Russia and China for decades. at least since Reagan and probably well be fore that. It did not start with Trump, He was just the latest crook to capitalize on peoples fears and prejudices to elevate himself and his family/cronies to positions of power. The worst parts of trump were part of the American fabric way before he was president. He might as well have been a poster child for America with a background of reality TV gambling establishments and disrespect towards anything he didn't like or understand.

As for the republicans, they've been critical of minorities, anything socialist and scared of White Christians being replaced for years. Mega churches have been spreading lies about invading hordes since well be fore our current crises started, US led black ops in South America started refugee influx in the 80s/90s. As much as republicans want to act like Obama was some scary Muslim communist, he carried on Bush and Clintons and Bush Sr.s plans and agenda for a controlled US surveillance state and corporatocracy. He was not some boogey man that started some final countdown to US falling to the communist non white jihadists he did what all the others in recent times did.

This was probably way more detailed than I needed to be but it's plain to see that both parties pick and choose timeframes to suit the narratives that the are trying to sell to the people who buy the red and blue products at any given point.