Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Boadicea

Probably because routers don't store that much information. Go look at your own router you probably have one. Typical is it will store the last thousand attempts to access it its geolocation and primary language. Now here's the problem, if the routers are being used by now any data from the election, is gone unless they ran software to back it up. Most people don't bother with this so I doubt they are stored. And they wouldn't be on the routers but on the server. So taking all these routers offline is just a useless endeavor. I just checked my router the last date still in the queue is April.

Most government organizations are required to store router logs for much longer period.

Aren't they, by law, supposed to keep election data like this for two years after an election?

Yes. But remember, these criminals violated Federal election laws. You think the little state retention rules many anything to them?

Georgia has the same 2-year retention requirement. Fulton county (Atlanta) had a shredding company at the ballot storage warehouse the next day after President Trump told GA Secty of State Raffensperger he (intel agencies) had the goods on him.

By definition, CROOKS have no problem violating laws.

Is much more difficult to get professional I.T. folks to help them cheat.

If law says 3 year retention, then they likely keep 3 years+, and probably even keep in multiple locations in case of equipment failure or devious users.

Ethics & honesty are big part of training and evaluation for us.

Is why I can't get my contacts to spill, even though I can tell they desperately want to say something (just don't know what the something is).

Most servers generate CLF (Common Log Format) files or raw log files. These work when the server request is made and they would have the IP address and identity of the device making a request
Name, location, and size of the requested file
Time and date of the request, and the request method
The referred webpage
HTTP status code (if a file was not found, for example)

However, this is not on the routers it's stored by the server itself. So unless they gave them access to the server you cant get these logs. Now you will set a limit with these either by size or by a time where it will delete them every 90 days. Typical set up is every 30 days for most servers because the logs can get huge each query produces 4 lines of data.

Understood.

But we are discussing router logs here, and trying to keep as simple as possible for others.

Most of my corp clients keep 90 days server logs (more detailed settings than is probably common), and 180 days for critical servers.

These are transferred to dedicated logging server every evening.

Storage space doesn't really matter since nearly all are virtual and share a single mega SAN.

I have reason to believe, though not evidence, that Arizona State I.T. folks have similar strategy.

In other cases older servers are retained for use as logging servers. I used to do this quite a bit, but isn't necessary with mega SANs at most of my clients now.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Boadicea

Probably because routers don't store that much information. Go look at your own router you probably have one. Typical is it will store the last thousand attempts to access it its geolocation and primary language. Now here's the problem, if the routers are being used by now any data from the election, is gone unless they ran software to back it up. Most people don't bother with this so I doubt they are stored. And they wouldn't be on the routers but on the server. So taking all these routers offline is just a useless endeavor. I just checked my router the last date still in the queue is April.

Most government organizations are required to store router logs for much longer period.

Aren't they, by law, supposed to keep election data like this for two years after an election?

Yes. But remember, these criminals violated Federal election laws. You think the little state retention rules many anything to them?

Georgia has the same 2-year retention requirement. Fulton county (Atlanta) had a shredding company at the ballot storage warehouse the next day after President Trump told GA Secty of State Raffensperger he (intel agencies) had the goods on him.

By definition, CROOKS have no problem violating laws.

I thought it was an enshrined principle of US law that someone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a Court of Law?

Not just because folk like you say so?

Or do you think you are Judge, Jury and Executioner all in one?

Him commenting on what occurred and was observed right after election day has absolutely nothing at all to do with due process of a person's legal rights. If you are going to attempt deflecting with a straw man argument, at least make one that makes sense. Yours is ridiculous and doesn't even relate to reality.

a reply to: dragonridr

If the routers are fully managed they could have packet sniffer services running which would have full requests logged, but it completely depends on the how verbose the logging is and if end to end encryption is in place (and the device has the cert). Admittedly the logging isn't usually very very, and fully managed routers are $$$.

I'd be interested to hear how their settings for syslog streaming to Splunk is configured (I think someone mentioned Splunk logs being part of the request). For all anyone here knows the logging might just be basic traffic shaping stuff with no access or request logging.

originally posted by: nemonimity
a reply to: dragonridr

If the routers are fully managed they could have packet sniffer services running which would have full requests logged, but it completely depends on the how verbose the logging is and if end to end encryption is in place (and the device has the cert). Admittedly the logging isn't usually very very, and fully managed routers are $$$.

I'd be interested to hear how their settings for syslog streaming to Splunk is configured (I think someone mentioned Splunk logs being part of the request). For all anyone here knows the logging might just be basic traffic shaping stuff with no access or request logging.

I don't have any further information on this, but key auditor seems convinced that adequate splunk logs exist for maricopa routers.

And splunk IS included in subpoenas.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Boadicea

Probably because routers don't store that much information. Go look at your own router you probably have one. Typical is it will store the last thousand attempts to access it its geolocation and primary language. Now here's the problem, if the routers are being used by now any data from the election, is gone unless they ran software to back it up. Most people don't bother with this so I doubt they are stored. And they wouldn't be on the routers but on the server. So taking all these routers offline is just a useless endeavor. I just checked my router the last date still in the queue is April.

Most government organizations are required to store router logs for much longer period.

Aren't they, by law, supposed to keep election data like this for two years after an election?

Yes. But remember, these criminals violated Federal election laws. You think the little state retention rules many anything to them?

Georgia has the same 2-year retention requirement. Fulton county (Atlanta) had a shredding company at the ballot storage warehouse the next day after President Trump told GA Secty of State Raffensperger he (intel agencies) had the goods on him.

By definition, CROOKS have no problem violating laws.

I thought it was an enshrined principle of US law that someone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a Court of Law?

Not just because folk like you say so?

Or do you think you are Judge, Jury and Executioner all in one?

Him commenting on what occurred and was observed right after election day has absolutely nothing at all to do with due process of a person's legal rights. If you are going to attempt deflecting with a straw man argument, at least make one that makes sense. Yours is ridiculous and doesn't even relate to reality.

Straw man? I'll leave you to your circle jerking.

Is anyone familiar with CodeMonkeyZ on Telegram? Any opinions of him/her?

Gateway Pundit has a post about CodeMonkeyZ posting a letter a few weeks ago purportedly from Maricopa County to a voter, advising them of a breach of their voting registration data. I don't do Telegram, so I cannot view CodeMonkeyZ's post myself. But it's here for anyone who can:

CodeMonkeyZ Telegram

The letter is also posted, signed by Stephen Richer as County Recorder. Here's the thing: Both GP and CMZ say that the voter received the letter in early November. But Adrian Fontes was still Recorder in November; Stephen Richer was elected in November; he did not take office until January. And this phrase from the letter indicates it was written later than November, perhaps much later:

This past November, an unauthorized individual gathered voter information from our website.

Perhaps the voter made a mistake? Perhaps the GP and CMZ misspoke, and meant to say the breach happened in November? Or perhaps someone's lying about the letter itself? And no one has noticed yet to either correct or denounce it?

I don't know what to think. I just don't like the misinformation.

Pennsylvania Counties Tioga and Philadelphia Decline Participation in Senate Committee’s Forensic Election Audit

Tioga County is a small county, and cannot afford either the time or the money they would need to replace the machines if they complied, because the State has instructed counties not to cooperate; and if counties do cooperate, the state will refuse to re-certify their machines and force them to purchase new ones at their own expense.

Today --

...Democrats in Philadelphia, where they locked GOP observers out of the counting room for several days, also refused to participate in the forensic audit.

ETA: More --
Philly election commissioners deny ‘audit’ request for 2020 ballots and voting machines

Philadelphia election officials voted down a request spearheaded by State Sen. Doug Mastriano to review materials linked to the 2020 presidential election, citing costs and disruption.

Philadelphia City Commissioner Al Schmidt, a Republican who drew public attention last year for resisting Trump’s attempts to cast doubt on the integrity of election results in the city, said the three-member city commissioner board had turned down the request, citing a lack of evidence of voter fraud and other issues.

Senator Mastriano gave the counties until tomorrow, July 31 to comply. He has promised to issue subpoenas to counties who do not comply.

I'd like to see the Senator find a middle ground that would allow for all counties to cooperate without sabotaging themselves. Could Senator Mastriano still conduct an accurate audit of the 2020 election if he gives them enough time to complete their election in three weeks, and then turn the machines over?

a reply to: Boadicea


Code monkey is well known techie.

Can't speak to the letter itself, but monkey wouldn't have notified of breach if strong evidence didn't exist.

Has credibility.

But not perfect.



The fear/suspicion is that the bad guy in fountain hills breached voter registration server in order to print 'mail' ballots for people who hadn't yet voted, and then deposit them in early voting boxes.

Part of the 74,000?



We don't know nearly enough on this.

Because democrats have been hiding all useful information.

Audit team is certainly more informed on matter.

So hopefully we will be soon.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2


"circle jerking"


Your mother must be so proud.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
a reply to: Boadicea


Code monkey is well known techie.

Can't speak to the letter itself, but monkey wouldn't have notified of breach if strong evidence didn't exist.

Has credibility.

But not perfect.

Thank you -- I know I've seen the name before, but didn't know enough to have any opinion about him.

The fear/suspicion is that the bad guy in fountain hills breached voter registration server in order to print 'mail' ballots for people who hadn't yet voted, and then deposit them in early voting boxes.

Part of the 74,000?

Interesting... but that sure seems like a lot of trouble and legwork... requiring live bodies. I would think they'd be able to do it all electronically somehow. But maybe I'm giving them too much credit.

We don't know nearly enough on this.

No, we sure don't.

Because democrats have been hiding all useful information.

Not just Democrats. Republicans are just as guilty in this!

Audit team is certainly more informed on matter.

So hopefully we will be soon.

Fingers crossed...

a reply to: Boadicea

I say 'democrats' because I haven't found a single honest or rational one yet, regarding anything 2020.

While many 'republicans' are just as bad, they are not in 100% lockstep with democrat's propaganda, and do not control msm like democrats.

It is not meant to let bad 'republicans' off the hook in any way.

They must also be replaced with better.

a reply to: Boadicea

"Interesting... but that sure seems like a lot of trouble and legwork... requiring live bodies. I would think they'd be able to do it all electronically somehow. But maybe I'm giving them too much credit."


Breaching the registration server is likely much easier than breaching actual dominion equipment.

And leaves zero evidence on dominion (where folks will be looking) that anyone has breached.

Such a scheme would work perfectly, if not for someone finding the breach on public facing registration servers.

Even if registration server breach was known, would still not know if votes were stolen if bad guy didn't do it from own house, or raid was delayed until physical evidence in house was destroyed.

And even though good guys were successful on above, would still not know how many or which ballots are fraudulent without forensic audit.

Including determination of improper paper types and determination of improper handling (creases).

AND

IF maricopa printers were certified as claimed, they would not have the offset issues that audit has discovered.

Only 2 potential explanations for this:

Maricopa's in house ballot printers were not properly certified as claimed.

OR

Someone like the guy in fountain hills got access to registration data and printed fake ballots on typical printer.



Hope that helps.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Boadicea

Probably because routers don't store that much information. Go look at your own router you probably have one. Typical is it will store the last thousand attempts to access it its geolocation and primary language. Now here's the problem, if the routers are being used by now any data from the election, is gone unless they ran software to back it up. Most people don't bother with this so I doubt they are stored. And they wouldn't be on the routers but on the server. So taking all these routers offline is just a useless endeavor. I just checked my router the last date still in the queue is April.

Most government organizations are required to store router logs for much longer period.

Aren't they, by law, supposed to keep election data like this for two years after an election?

Yes. But remember, these criminals violated Federal election laws. You think the little state retention rules many anything to them?

Georgia has the same 2-year retention requirement. Fulton county (Atlanta) had a shredding company at the ballot storage warehouse the next day after President Trump told GA Secty of State Raffensperger he (intel agencies) had the goods on him.

By definition, CROOKS have no problem violating laws.

I thought it was an enshrined principle of US law that someone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a Court of Law?

Not just because folk like you say so?

Or do you think you are Judge, Jury and Executioner all in one?

"Presumed Innocent" and "Presumed Above Suspicion" are two different things.

If someone is suspected of violating a major law, then by extension of that suspicion it would make sense to also suspect them of being willing to violate comparatively minor laws.

Freedom from suspicion is not a protected right.

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

The reason(s) behind the Fountain Hills raid, added to others, likely led to what our pea-brained MainStreamMedia has been all worked-up over, during the last 18 hours.

President Trump wanted the DOJ to state publicly what they knew, that there was Fraud/Corruption affecting the 2020 Presidential election results.

DOJ Tells Trump to Get Lost: www.npr.org...

Contrast that with Joe Biden being assured by his DOJ that Hunter Biden is now safe from prosecution.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Boadicea

Probably because routers don't store that much information. Go look at your own router you probably have one. Typical is it will store the last thousand attempts to access it its geolocation and primary language. Now here's the problem, if the routers are being used by now any data from the election, is gone unless they ran software to back it up. Most people don't bother with this so I doubt they are stored. And they wouldn't be on the routers but on the server. So taking all these routers offline is just a useless endeavor. I just checked my router the last date still in the queue is April.

Most government organizations are required to store router logs for much longer period.

Aren't they, by law, supposed to keep election data like this for two years after an election?

Yes. But remember, these criminals violated Federal election laws. You think the little state retention rules many anything to them?

Georgia has the same 2-year retention requirement. Fulton county (Atlanta) had a shredding company at the ballot storage warehouse the next day after President Trump told GA Secty of State Raffensperger he (intel agencies) had the goods on him.

By definition, CROOKS have no problem violating laws.

I thought it was an enshrined principle of US law that someone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a Court of Law?

Not just because folk like you say so?

Or do you think you are Judge, Jury and Executioner all in one?

"Presumed Innocent" and "Presumed Above Suspicion" are two different things.

If someone is suspected of violating a major law, then by extension of that suspicion it would make sense to also suspect them of being willing to violate comparatively minor laws.

Freedom from suspicion is not a protected right.

Who mentioned suspicion? It's being stated as a fact on here.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
a reply to: Oldcarpy2


"circle jerking"


Your mother must be so proud.

As you are such a delicate little flower and are apparently so easily offended, I'll change that to "echo chamber".

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

👁️ Better Soykle Joyk 👁️

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

👁️ Better Soykle Joyk 👁️

I don't speak New Joysey"!

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Boadicea

Probably because routers don't store that much information. Go look at your own router you probably have one. Typical is it will store the last thousand attempts to access it its geolocation and primary language. Now here's the problem, if the routers are being used by now any data from the election, is gone unless they ran software to back it up. Most people don't bother with this so I doubt they are stored. And they wouldn't be on the routers but on the server. So taking all these routers offline is just a useless endeavor. I just checked my router the last date still in the queue is April.

Most government organizations are required to store router logs for much longer period.

Aren't they, by law, supposed to keep election data like this for two years after an election?

Yes. But remember, these criminals violated Federal election laws. You think the little state retention rules many anything to them?

Georgia has the same 2-year retention requirement. Fulton county (Atlanta) had a shredding company at the ballot storage warehouse the next day after President Trump told GA Secty of State Raffensperger he (intel agencies) had the goods on him.

By definition, CROOKS have no problem violating laws.

I thought it was an enshrined principle of US law that someone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a Court of Law?

Not just because folk like you say so?

Or do you think you are Judge, Jury and Executioner all in one?

"Presumed Innocent" and "Presumed Above Suspicion" are two different things.

If someone is suspected of violating a major law, then by extension of that suspicion it would make sense to also suspect them of being willing to violate comparatively minor laws.

Freedom from suspicion is not a protected right.

Who mentioned suspicion? It's being stated as a fact on here.

Someone here filed charges and found guilty?

Really out over the absurdity cliff on this one carpy.

ATS is not a court of law, which is the only place where 'presumed innocence' applies.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
a reply to: Oldcarpy2


"circle jerking"


Your mother must be so proud.

As you are such a delicate little flower and are apparently so easily offended, I'll change that to "echo chamber".

Echo chamber because we don't want to hear about your 'circle jerking'?

Maybe you are lost?