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More than 400,000 people in the USA have died of COVID-19 in the last 12 months.
originally posted by: Randyvine
More than 400,000 people in the USA have died of COVID-19 in the last 12 months.
See you believe obvious lies pertaining to this horrible ungodly
outbreak we all see every day devastating thousands. You conveniently
forget things you say. Like what you told me. You do believe the numbers
are overblown. Then you use those numbers as if they are true.
You're dishonest. Covid is the conspiracy
originally posted by: jjkenobi
Even with the most likely severely over-inflated numbers near the OP that's a .016 death rate from COVID in the USA.
Clearly nowhere near worth shutting down the USA for. Cases can easily be made that more people die due to shutting down the USA than died from COVID. Not to mention the thousands of things currently in the USA that have higher death rate than .016.
originally posted by: chr0naut
The conspiracy is that some people are so gullible that the ignore the accredited and credentialed scientists...
In the early half of the 20th century, petrochemical giants organized a coup on the medical research facilities, hospitals and universities. The Rockefeller family sponsored research and donated sums to universities and medical schools which had drug based research. They further extended this policy to foreign universities and medical schools where research was drug based through their "International Education Board". Establishments and research which were were not drug based were refused funding and soon dissolved in favor of the lucrative pharmaceutical industry. In 1939 a "Drug Trust" alliance was formed by the Rockefeller empire and the German chemical company I.G. Farben (Bayer). After World War II, I.G. Farben was dismantled but later emerged as separate corporations within the alliance. Well known companies included General Mills, Kellogg, Nestle, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Procter and Gamble, Roche and Hoechst (Sanofi-Aventis). The Rockefeller empire, in tandem with Chase Manhattan Bank (now JP Morgan Chase), owns over half of the pharmaceutical interests in the United States. It is the largest drug manufacturing combine in the world. Since WWII, the pharmaceutical industry has steadily netted increasing profits to become the world's second largest manufacturing industry; [2], [3] after the arms industry.
Eliminating competitors to drug based paradigm
In his 1994 book, The Assault on Medical Freedom, author P. Joseph Lisa gained access to secret files in the AMA's Chicago Department of investigation under the guise of collecting information to expose "mental health quackery." In the process, he uncovered hundreds of AMA photocopies of memos, minutes and other documents. In a subsequent ten year investigation, he found little evidence of "quackery" and much evidence of an organized propaganda campaign to discredit alternative medicine and foreign drugs. The birth of the AMA in 1847 launched an organized push for a "totalitarian medical pharmaceutical police state". Funded by the drug industry, a single, medical monopoly was established using the insurance industry, the U.S. Department of Justice, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), the Internal Revenue Service (IRC), the U.S. Postal Service and other state and federal agencies. From the onset, the AMA is characterized as a greed motivated trade union, eliminating competitors to its own financial and political interests. Funded by the Carnegie Foundation, Abraham Flexner was ostensibly empowered to investigate the quality of medical education in all 161 medical schools that existed in 1910. In league with Rockefeller billions, Flexner helped destroy the credibility and funding sources for nearly all schools using non-drug based medicine. 161 medical schools dwindled down to 81 by 1919 and medical graduates declined from 5,747 to 2,658. "Overcrowding" of the profession became the public AMA theme for the "opportunities of those already in the profession to acquire a livelihood."[5]
originally posted by: Nothin
originally posted by: chr0naut
The conspiracy is that some people are so gullible that the ignore the accredited and credentialed scientists...
Citizens !!!
On your knees, and prostrate before the venerable White-Coats™ !!!
Why would anyone doubt, that 'professionals' deemed so by the likes of the AMA™ : would be beholden to the founders of the very institutions that 'accredit' and 'credentialize' them ?
You know : The Rockefeller Foundation™, and the same cabal that fund and control the AMA™, and the WHO™, who not only declared the 'supposed' Plandemic™, but also profit in the mega-billions from it ?
Who's gullible ?
In the early half of the 20th century, petrochemical giants organized a coup on the medical research facilities, hospitals and universities. The Rockefeller family sponsored research and donated sums to universities and medical schools which had drug based research. They further extended this policy to foreign universities and medical schools where research was drug based through their "International Education Board". Establishments and research which were were not drug based were refused funding and soon dissolved in favor of the lucrative pharmaceutical industry. In 1939 a "Drug Trust" alliance was formed by the Rockefeller empire and the German chemical company I.G. Farben (Bayer). After World War II, I.G. Farben was dismantled but later emerged as separate corporations within the alliance. Well known companies included General Mills, Kellogg, Nestle, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Procter and Gamble, Roche and Hoechst (Sanofi-Aventis). The Rockefeller empire, in tandem with Chase Manhattan Bank (now JP Morgan Chase), owns over half of the pharmaceutical interests in the United States. It is the largest drug manufacturing combine in the world. Since WWII, the pharmaceutical industry has steadily netted increasing profits to become the world's second largest manufacturing industry; [2], [3] after the arms industry.
Eliminating competitors to drug based paradigm
In his 1994 book, The Assault on Medical Freedom, author P. Joseph Lisa gained access to secret files in the AMA's Chicago Department of investigation under the guise of collecting information to expose "mental health quackery." In the process, he uncovered hundreds of AMA photocopies of memos, minutes and other documents. In a subsequent ten year investigation, he found little evidence of "quackery" and much evidence of an organized propaganda campaign to discredit alternative medicine and foreign drugs. The birth of the AMA in 1847 launched an organized push for a "totalitarian medical pharmaceutical police state". Funded by the drug industry, a single, medical monopoly was established using the insurance industry, the U.S. Department of Justice, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), the Internal Revenue Service (IRC), the U.S. Postal Service and other state and federal agencies. From the onset, the AMA is characterized as a greed motivated trade union, eliminating competitors to its own financial and political interests. Funded by the Carnegie Foundation, Abraham Flexner was ostensibly empowered to investigate the quality of medical education in all 161 medical schools that existed in 1910. In league with Rockefeller billions, Flexner helped destroy the credibility and funding sources for nearly all schools using non-drug based medicine. 161 medical schools dwindled down to 81 by 1919 and medical graduates declined from 5,747 to 2,658. "Overcrowding" of the profession became the public AMA theme for the "opportunities of those already in the profession to acquire a livelihood."[5]
Source : SourceWatch.
originally posted by: Nothin
a reply to: chr0naut
Whoa there big fella ! Whoa !
You're firing all over the place.
It may be easier to just concentrate on my point for now, then we can talk about all of the other interesting questions you have.
We wouldn't want to get distracted from the original point, now : would we ?
Ok : you were imploring the good readership to trust the White-Coats™ : ..."...The conspiracy is that some people are so gullible that the ignore the accredited and credentialed scientists..."...
My point was that the very organizations responsible for said 'accreditations' : is owned and funded by the same organizations who profit, from having these White-Coats™ as their front-and-center spokespersons.
Sort of like if all of the cola companies got together, and formed the World-Cola-Association™.
Then they not only promoted their products, but appointed folks to titles such as 'Cola-Tsar™', Drink-Master™, or "Soda-authority™' : then they set-out to discredit all other types of alternate consumable liquids.
The only 'authority' they have : is their claim to authority. You get it ?
Then all of the poor gullible folks with White-Coat™ Syndrome: believe everything they claim, because they purport to be 'intelligent' folks making their recommendations supposedly based on Science™. Can't you see it ?
Do you still want to implore us to trust the White-Coats™ ?
Some more info for ya : ATS : Rockefeller Family Most Evil Americans in History ?
Pubmed.Gov : Backstage: the relationship between the Rockefeller Foundation and the World Health Organization, Part I: 1940s-1960s .
Suppose it's possible, that after 10 years on this site, and over 19000 posts, that you have never come-across any posts, threads, or info about the Rockefellers™ and the AMA™...
Excellent post by ElementalGrove : ATS post about the Rockefellers™, the AMA™, and their propaganda unit : Quackwatch™.
Excellent post by Murgatroid : ATS : 2nd post down.
You still gonna implore ATS to bow to the WhiteCoats™ ?
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Nothin
a reply to: chr0naut
Whoa there big fella ! Whoa !
You're firing all over the place.
It may be easier to just concentrate on my point for now, then we can talk about all of the other interesting questions you have.
We wouldn't want to get distracted from the original point, now : would we ?
Ok : you were imploring the good readership to trust the White-Coats™ : ..."...The conspiracy is that some people are so gullible that the ignore the accredited and credentialed scientists..."...
My point was that the very organizations responsible for said 'accreditations' : is owned and funded by the same organizations who profit, from having these White-Coats™ as their front-and-center spokespersons.
Sort of like if all of the cola companies got together, and formed the World-Cola-Association™.
Then they not only promoted their products, but appointed folks to titles such as 'Cola-Tsar™', Drink-Master™, or "Soda-authority™' : then they set-out to discredit all other types of alternate consumable liquids.
The only 'authority' they have : is their claim to authority. You get it ?
Then all of the poor gullible folks with White-Coat™ Syndrome: believe everything they claim, because they purport to be 'intelligent' folks making their recommendations supposedly based on Science™. Can't you see it ?
Do you still want to implore us to trust the White-Coats™ ?
Some more info for ya : ATS : Rockefeller Family Most Evil Americans in History ?
Pubmed.Gov : Backstage: the relationship between the Rockefeller Foundation and the World Health Organization, Part I: 1940s-1960s .
Suppose it's possible, that after 10 years on this site, and over 19000 posts, that you have never come-across any posts, threads, or info about the Rockefellers™ and the AMA™...
Excellent post by ElementalGrove : ATS post about the Rockefellers™, the AMA™, and their propaganda unit : Quackwatch™.
Excellent post by Murgatroid : ATS : 2nd post down.
You still gonna implore ATS to bow to the WhiteCoats™ ?
But I'm an academic (admittedly from another country, but there is a lot of international cooperation between academics). Nearly all my friends are "white coats". I can vouch for the general credibility of processes such as peer review and academic achievement.
The great conspiracy that you tout isn't evident. Nor is it even reasonable to expect that it could remain a secret with so many who would have to be conspirators and over such a long period of time.
Yes, the Rockerfellers, and other rich people, paid money to fund research and universities and medicine. And yes they profited by it. That is how the rich people got there. That isn't a bad thing. It is how capitalism works. It doesn't imply that they are doing anything underhanded or evil.
Here's what I think; some people, who demonstrably are not good at academic subjects, reasoning, and the evaluation of evidence, are pissed off at those who are, and these people have made up stories to soothe their feelings of inferiority.
originally posted by: Nothin
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Nothin
a reply to: chr0naut
Whoa there big fella ! Whoa !
You're firing all over the place.
It may be easier to just concentrate on my point for now, then we can talk about all of the other interesting questions you have.
We wouldn't want to get distracted from the original point, now : would we ?
Ok : you were imploring the good readership to trust the White-Coats™ : ..."...The conspiracy is that some people are so gullible that the ignore the accredited and credentialed scientists..."...
My point was that the very organizations responsible for said 'accreditations' : is owned and funded by the same organizations who profit, from having these White-Coats™ as their front-and-center spokespersons.
Sort of like if all of the cola companies got together, and formed the World-Cola-Association™.
Then they not only promoted their products, but appointed folks to titles such as 'Cola-Tsar™', Drink-Master™, or "Soda-authority™' : then they set-out to discredit all other types of alternate consumable liquids.
The only 'authority' they have : is their claim to authority. You get it ?
Then all of the poor gullible folks with White-Coat™ Syndrome: believe everything they claim, because they purport to be 'intelligent' folks making their recommendations supposedly based on Science™. Can't you see it ?
Do you still want to implore us to trust the White-Coats™ ?
Some more info for ya : ATS : Rockefeller Family Most Evil Americans in History ?
Pubmed.Gov : Backstage: the relationship between the Rockefeller Foundation and the World Health Organization, Part I: 1940s-1960s .
Suppose it's possible, that after 10 years on this site, and over 19000 posts, that you have never come-across any posts, threads, or info about the Rockefellers™ and the AMA™...
Excellent post by ElementalGrove : ATS post about the Rockefellers™, the AMA™, and their propaganda unit : Quackwatch™.
Excellent post by Murgatroid : ATS : 2nd post down.
You still gonna implore ATS to bow to the WhiteCoats™ ?
But I'm an academic (admittedly from another country, but there is a lot of international cooperation between academics). Nearly all my friends are "white coats". I can vouch for the general credibility of processes such as peer review and academic achievement.
The great conspiracy that you tout isn't evident. Nor is it even reasonable to expect that it could remain a secret with so many who would have to be conspirators and over such a long period of time.
Yes, the Rockerfellers, and other rich people, paid money to fund research and universities and medicine. And yes they profited by it. That is how the rich people got there. That isn't a bad thing. It is how capitalism works. It doesn't imply that they are doing anything underhanded or evil.
Here's what I think; some people, who demonstrably are not good at academic subjects, reasoning, and the evaluation of evidence, are pissed off at those who are, and these people have made up stories to soothe their feelings of inferiority.
What a sad and unfortunate post.
The intellectual dishonesty of not even investigating, nor comprehending the supplied info and links, then ending with a supposed elitist insult.
All distraction and deflection, from facing the music that was decently laid-out for all to see.
Your beloved accreditation agencies are as crooked as the day is long, and this is well known.
Your request for us to bow to your beloved WhiteCoats™ has been fully rebuked, and we won't be fooled.
You can prostrate yourself for your professional associations if you like, but know that some of us can see through false elitism and superiority complexes, and we know that too much instruction, does not equal education.
We see through your comments...
All distraction and deflection, and protecting that fake image of the good folks deferring to the supposed academics.
No thanks.
Don't let it ruin your day though.
Here : have a beverage, and go-back and read those links, like you should have done before commenting.
originally posted by: Gothmog
originally posted by: djz3ro
originally posted by: Gothmog
originally posted by: djz3ro
a reply to: Gothmog
Duly noted. I'm glad you're on the mend though.
On the mend ?
I was never down....
Ah I thought you were ill for 2 weeks.
Call it what you will.
I had Covid - 19