Hank Aaron killed by Moderna vaccine complications

originally posted by: Phage
Sometimes the phone rings as I step into the shower. Does that mean that stepping into the shower made the phone ring?

Likewise, sometimes you die of a heart attack and happen to have Covid. It doesn't mean the Covid caused the heart attack.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Correct.

And sometimes COVID can present indications of a heart attack. It's sort of up to the physician to actually determine and report the cause of death. Though it is noted if the patient was COVID positive.

The EKGs displayed a classic "elevated ST segment" reading that's indicative of heart attack, the doctors said. Ten patients displayed ST elevation at the time they were admitted to hospital, while eight others showed it during their hospital stay.

However, based on coronary angiography scans and/or cath-lab investigations, 10 of the patients (56%) were found to have "non-coronary myocardial injury," Bangalore said. In layman's terms, that means a heart attack that was not caused by a blockage in an artery.

www.webmd.com...

a reply to: HunkaHunka
Use the wayback time machine to see if it changed. So long as it’s the same URL or it’s not proof it got changed. I’m too lazy to check. Your thread, your theory, you do it
Thanks

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Phage
Sometimes the phone rings as I step into the shower. Does that mean that stepping into the shower made the phone ring?

Likewise, sometimes you die of a heart attack and happen to have Covid. It doesn't mean the Covid caused the heart attack.

Perhaps. I know it’s a weird thing to confirm but it seems like I’m hearing of a lot more strokes in my community. Stress-related? Personally I’m thinking Covid does something to your cardiovascular...

a bunch a somethings

Anyone else?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: HunkaHunka

Hank Aaron killed by Moderna vaccine complications

Please provide evidence.

Sometimes the phone rings as I step into the shower. Does that mean that stepping into the shower made the phone ring?

To put it in more scientific terms, correlation does not imply causation..

I find this highly hypocritical using this logic on the covid VACCINE but not on COVID VIRUS.

about every day for the last oh year we have been hearing in the news how deadly covid is.
how many people have died BECAUSE OF IT and emotional stories like the most recent one where a ELDERLY nurse would not retire and worked in the ER until she died (wait for it) ....... DUE TO BEING INFECTED WITH COVID..

this story makes a great "poster child example" of the whole covid correlation thing .
the report didnt list her medical history/issues, didnt say covid was THE ONLY OR MAIN CAUSE , and implies (with the subtly of a brick to the side of the head) she still be alive if not for covid.

hell even the CDC (buried on their page) stated ONLY 6 PERCENT OF COVID REPORTED DEATHS WERE BECAUSE (ONLY) OF COVID.

there isnt even a study to back up the CONSTANT CLAIM that people would be alive today if not for covid.

but now with some deaths from the covid VACCINE we must be "cautious and review all of the information/facts before making a claim".

if you or others were being HONEST and applying same standards then we should be immediately stopping all vaccinations because people are "dying" and to "protect the eldery". along with a healthy dose of "do you want grandma to die" shaming?

as the saying goes .... whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

scrounger

ps MY BELIEF and postings say we should be DEALING IN FACTS NOT FEAR with covid AND COVID VACCINATIONS

a reply to: scrounger

hell even the CDC (buried on their page) stated ONLY 6 PERCENT OF COVID REPORTED DEATHS WERE BECAUSE (ONLY) OF COVID.

That is such an idiotic argument that it's not even worth addressing. But I will. What you're saying is the equivalent of saying that someone who died because of a car wreck didn't die because of a car wreck but because of the injuries they sustained in the car wreck.



So, what do you think is killing these people if not a disease which is putting them in hospitals?

www.cdc.gov...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: scrounger

hell even the CDC (buried on their page) stated ONLY 6 PERCENT OF COVID REPORTED DEATHS WERE BECAUSE (ONLY) OF COVID.

That is such an idiotic argument that it's not even worth addressing. But I will. What you're saying is the equivalent of saying that someone who died because of a car wreck didn't die because of a car wreck but because of the injuries they sustained in the car wreck.

nice try at deflecting from FACTS and using a completely irrelivant comparison to boot. if you want to use an example its like saying someone died from a heart attack and blame the flu. yes the flu made them sick and vulnerable.. but their HEART DISEASE is what set them up for the heart attack. the "flu" was a small factor but didnt kill them.



So, what do you think is killing these people if not a disease which is putting them in hospitals?

www.cdc.gov...

Well first alot of those that died with covid were elderly with UNDERLYING MEDICAL CONDITIONS.
In the finding of Italy (for example) having multiple (specifically 3) .

so they were vulnerable to dying just with what they had.. covid was just a pathogen that MAYBE pushed them over the edge. to which ALMOST ANY SERIOUS ILLNESS could have accomplished the same effect. Be flu, pneumonia, or even something as simple as heat exhaustion.

or more clearly (if not a tad tonged and cheek) as my dad would say "one foot in the grave and one foot on a bananas peel"

i have asked this before and will do so again.

show me PROOF that those that died with "covid" would be alive today if it didnt exist.

i cant find ONE STUDY like this.

now if you want more proof how hypocritical your claim on vaccines is lets go to the CDC again

they listed on their website (again takes a little reading to find) that you can code a death as covid "if you have symptoms or suspected and (bolding for emphasis) TESTING NOT REQUIRED.

let me say this again, TESTING (AKA PROOF) NOT REQUIRED .

Along with states if covid is in the system list as cause of death.
testing not even back yet but claim its covid related.
having every tested person as "new case" even if they have been tested before or going for a retest.
hell in IL they OPENLY ADMIT they classify PROBABLE CASES of covid ARE CLASSIFIED AS NEW CASES.
Which means if you were sent home from school with "covid symptoms" and told to get tested before coming back AND/OR WAITING FOR YOUR TEST RESULTS.... your classified AS NEW COVID INFECTED.

i also could point out in PA they had to (due to lawsuits ) to reclassify death certificates.

so again why are you applying one standard if you have covid (or even suspected) in your system when you die its AUTOMATICALLY THE FAULT OF COVID.

but a vaccine for covid someone died ... we must have PROOF positive it was THE MAIN OR ONLY REASON.

scrounger

a reply to: scrounger

but a vaccine for covid someone died ... we must have PROOF positive it was THE MAIN OR ONLY REASON.

Your post is a mess so allow me to answer what seems to be your point.

I did not ask for proof. I asked for evidence.

Aaron was vaccinated 2 weeks before his death at the age of 86. If you consider that to be evidence, fair enough.

If you think the phone rang as you stepped into the shower is evidence, fair enough.

But that evidence is not nearly close to that which supports the idea that 400,000 people have died in the country as a result of COVID-19.

So, what do you think is killing these people if not a disease which is putting them in hospitals?

www.cdc.gov...




on this specific point

people die in hospitals for LOTS OF REASONS
Malpractice
flu
injury
hiv
hep (pick a letter)
heart disease
ect

along with everyone who they SUSPECT as covid is treated with full ICU type precautions/protocols

lets also look at how many have "covid" and either
a. dont require invasive intervention
b. SURVIVE fine

lastly every damn flu season we get stories of ER and hospitals being flooded with sick.

but in either case we need PROOF that those that died was TOTALLY or major reason was covid.
just because you have it does not mean thats what killed you.

scrounger

a reply to: scrounger

people die in hospitals for LOTS OF REASONS

Right.
But it seems like a lot more have died than "normal" in the past 10 months or so. That's what that chart shows. A lot more.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: scrounger

but a vaccine for covid someone died ... we must have PROOF positive it was THE MAIN OR ONLY REASON.

Your post is a mess so allow me to answer what seems to be your point.

I did not ask for proof. I asked for evidence.

first it wasnt "a mess" since you seemed to understand it to ask a question.

fail number one

two...
"i did not ask for proof, i asked for evidence"

now your playing word games...

proof is achieved by credible evidence that though examination and review is shown to be accurate.

but ill take your asking "for evidence" standard that your using for covid deaths.

they had the covid vaccine in their system and they DIED.

so its covid vaccine fault.

by your own standard / the covid pandemic claim you have your "evidence"

whats good for the goose is good for the gander

sucks when your own standards used on something else covid related now isnt it

scrounger

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: scrounger

people die in hospitals for LOTS OF REASONS

Right.
But it seems like a lot more have died than "normal" in the past 10 months or so. That's what that chart shows. A lot more.

what did you say earlier ...
hmm let me remind you

" correlation does not imply causation"

got your answer from you

scrounger

a reply to: scrounger

proof is achieved by credible evidence that though examination and review is shown to be accurate.

A sufficient level of evidence.

What evidence is there that Aaron died as a result of the vaccination? What evidence at all?

a reply to: scrounger

" correlation does not imply causation"

Yes. On its own it does not imply causation.

But there is more than just correlation. There is corroborating evidence. Like hundreds of thousands of people infected with COVID occupying hospital beds. Like thousands of doctors declaring the cause of death as COVID.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: scrounger

proof is achieved by credible evidence that though examination and review is shown to be accurate.

A sufficient level of evidence.

What evidence is there that Aaron died as a result of the vaccination? What evidence at all?

sigh

your just going round and round with your same comment but ignoring your own hypocrisy

again you stated " correlation does not imply causation"

but yet showed a chart of increased hospitalizations and (sadly) deaths.
you then claim its because of covid.
inspite of THE FACTS of such things like the CDC not requiring CONFIRMED PROOF someone even had covid to classify it as covid (or covid caused) death.
that states like IL are classifying "new cases of covid" even if the person HASNT EVEN GOTTEN THEIR TESTS BACK YET.. much less a positive one.

you demand to have "credible proof" that the vaccine caused the death but you dont require the same high level of proof that if someone didnt have covid they would be alive today.
especially given MOST NOT ALL are elderly, have underlying medical conditions or BOTH.

all I have done is apply your SAME STANDARDS to claim covid is "killing" all these people to the vaccine .
then suggesting by the same logic we classify vaccine deaths as caused BY THE VACCINE .
then take the same steps / actions to stop the vaccine that we now use to restrict people to "protect them from covid"

you clearly going on because to apply this same standard in this case now calls into question covid actions, claims, restrictions, ect.

you just dont like your own logic now fails you or makes your claims less realistic

scrounger

BTW (wardens voice) am i being too obtuse

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: scrounger

" correlation does not imply causation"

Yes. On its own it does not imply causation.

but yet you still do

But there is more than just correlation. There is corroborating evidence. Like hundreds of thousands of people infected with COVID occupying hospital beds.

again your words "correlation does not imply causation"


Like thousands of doctors declaring the cause of death as COVID.

oh this is so rich... guess you dont like that the CDC OPENLY ADMITTED that only 6 percent of REPORTED COVID DEATHS were "COVID CAUSED" (aka caused only or majorly by covid). so those "thousands" of deaths ACTUAL NUMBERS is hundreds.. that means the current "400,000" would be (AGAIN by the CDC statement) 24,000 ACTUAL COVID deaths.. less than those caused by the common flu...

so by your logic because people were in the hospital with covid and doctors reported "thousands" of deaths from covid standard.

then the guy who HAD THE COVID VACCINE and a doctor reported him dead that he died due to the vaccine.

no matter how many times you keep repeating yourself your logic FAILS when universally applied to all covid related things.

scrounger

I don't understand. If we were talking about the deaths from the virus we're told "every life matters". WHO director said so himself in the supplied link (video of him saying it too). ...

"But for action, every life matters. Every individual life matters. If we don't care about one individual, whether old or young, then we're not serious. And that's why we are saying this is a moral decay, a moral decay of the society."

- WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus

But when we're talking about the vaccine, apparently every life doesn't matter. Because "vaccines are known to have side effects"...well duh, that's why so many people don't want to take them.

Then we get told we're idiots for not vaccinating yet, it's stated that if you have severe allergic reactions, you shouldn't. Do you think anyone is gonna stop and ask why you're not vaccinated before they throw hate your way? Nope. Just like they didn't stop and ask if you had a medical reason for not wearing a mask in public. Everyone assumed you just didn't want to.

It makes no sense. Vaccines have side effects and could be linked to some deaths but that's ok. I guess every life doesn't matter then.

Thanks
Blend57

as a side note: when are people gonna wake up and see the insanity of listening to others that have done nothing but lied throughout this whole ordeal. If anyone else did that to you on a personal level, you'd stop listening.

Two weeks to slow the curve = 12 months later
You don't need a mask = mask up at all times and now, you need two of them apparently
A vaccine can't be developed in less than 2 years = we got it done in a few months
Bleach can't kill the virus but hand sanitizer can?? Really?
The survival rate is above 97% for the virus but apparently everyone is dying from it...how does that make sense?
We can't afford to give you stimulus money = giving lots of money to foreign countries while we give you $600 per person ($1800 total this year) but hey, you can survive off that can't you?
The death toll is over 400K but, CDC says that only 6% of those are actually covid deaths. Why are we not just showing that 6%
Every life matters = only for the virus. Screw the people that could be dying or have severe reactions to the vaccine.

I mean, if I got lied to that much by someone in my own life I doubt I'd listen to another thing that person said. But here we are, just soaking it up and waiting for the next great revelation to come from our twit feeds and facebook accounts. Oh...don't forget about the mainstream news media...they're really good at giving you your next speaking points to use against others that dare to question the official narrative.

I guess that was a short rant..sorry. Had to get it out!

a reply to: Phage

Sorry, it was late here.

Do you think it killed Aaron? 

I have no idea but it's always good to keep track of incidents like this in case a pattern emerges.

a reply to: Phage

Yes, death by coincidence will become the official cause of death for many in the coming months.