Articles of Impeachment just filed against Joe Biden

originally posted by: Phage
"Free speech" has its limits. By law.

The 'protected' right to freedom of expression belongs to all people equally.

Your right to speak is not more protected than Trump's...or mine...or anyone else's.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

A citizen can be indicted for inciting to riot and Trump has been impeached for doing so.

originally posted by: Phage
That is not what I said. I said the president should be careful in his words. The words he chooses to use. More careful than you or I even, since neither you or I have the "bully pulpit."

Trump was never careful with his words. And we have seen the results.

And? Sure, he can be more choosey about what he says or he can be free to say what he wants to say within the 'limits' of the law.

Either way, Congress punishing him is a violation of his First Amendment rights.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MotherMayEye

A citizen can be indicted for inciting to riot and Trump has been impeached for doing so.

The mere threat of impeachment was a violation of his First Amendment rights.

Plus...he didn't incite a riot. Within the pertinent US Code, this is how “to incite a riot” is defined:

(b)As used in this chapter, the term “to incite a riot”, or “to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot”, includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit, any such act or acts.

I think your speech is far more reckless than Trump's. If you want to incite a riot, keep vocalizing your support to restrict free speech arbitrarily.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

The mere threat of impeachment was a violation of his First Amendment rights.

A threat after the fact?

Plus...he didn't incite a riot.

That would be up to the Senate to decide, not you. The House impeached (analogous to an indictment) him. The Senate will try him.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MotherMayEye

The mere threat of impeachment was a violation of his First Amendment rights.

A threat after the fact?

Plus...he didn't incite a riot. Within the pertinent US Code, this is how “to incite a riot” is defined:

That would be up to a court to decide, not you.

I can do a plain reading of the law. I sure don't need a bunch of rabid partisans in Congress to tell me what is plain. Maybe you need that filter, but I do not.

And yes...a threat after the fact was chilling. It's demonstrable that Trump's right to speak freely on the election was chilled AFTER the threat. He has said nothing more about it despite his obvious doubts and desire to express his beliefs.

Pat yourself on the back...you embolden a government that shut him up despite that pesky Constitution you wish didn't apply to him. You guys are safe from his words now.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

And yes...a threat after the fact was chilling.

It's also nonsense.

It's demonstrable that Trump's right to speak freely on the election was chilled AFTER the threat.

He was still president. He could have called any number of press conferences. He had the bully pulpit. He could have said anything that popped into his head to the entire country. Just like he always did. Just like he did the first time he was impeached.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MotherMayEye

And yes...a threat after the fact was chilling.

It's also nonsense.

It's demonstrable that Trump's right to speak freely on the election was chilled AFTER the threat.

He was still president. He could have called any number of press conferences. He had the bully pulpit. He could have said anything that popped into his head to the entire country. Just like he always did.

Well, when you don't have any argument you can just characterize mine as 'nonsense.' Empty retort. You have nothing but the benefit of support for your false sense of superiority from the media and Congress. Woo.

We know Trump could have spoken...but he didn't as he was/is facing punishment from the government for speaking about his doubts about the election.

You play fast and loose with our freedoms. I don't consider you in a position to look down on anyone. It's also subversive and you are fully aware that people fought and died for our freedoms. Your threatening talk about arbitrarily limiting free speech might incite people now to do the same.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Well, when you don't have any argument you can just characterize mine as 'nonsense.' Empty retort. Text

It is nonsense. A threat is used to prevent an act. Once an act has been made there can be no threat.

We know Trump could have spoken...but he didn't as he was/is facing punishment from the government for speaking about his doubts about the election.

No. There is no punishment for simply being a sore loser other than a loss of dignity.

You play fast and loose with our freedoms.

Nonsense.

originally posted by: Phage
It is nonsense. A threat is used to prevent an act. Once an act has been made there can be no threat.

Nonsense. Anything he says can and will be used against him. He's still under threat.

The rest of what you wrote is hogwash, silliness, and a load of crap.

Oh, and twaddle, too.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Anything he says can and will be used against him.

He should have thought of that sooner.


But don't worry. The Senate ain't gonna convict him. You can vote for him next time he runs.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MotherMayEye

A citizen can be indicted for inciting to riot and Trump has been impeached for doing so.

False. Trump was impeached for political partisan popularity points. There was no trial, no defense, only a prosecution giving a verdict, that doesn’t make any claims Trumps actions causes a riot- only that some say it. Unbelievable how thick your partisan glasses are these days.

a reply to: dashen

Apparently Marjorie Taylor Greene seems to slipped and fallen on a QAnon shaped sex toy.

Well more like jumped, but never mind.

As to a brand new shiny president???!!!

Its Joe, he's like an old pair of slippers ffs.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MotherMayEye

A citizen can be indicted for inciting to riot and Trump has been impeached for doing so.

But, of course, he didn't. Instead, he was subject to a political witchhunt whose claim to legitimacy only political zealots and fools accept. He merely told his supporters that he was walking to the Capitol. Everything else attributed to him as a motive is no more than political hyperbole concocted to ensure that he cannot run again for presidency of the USA. Only idiots take it seriously.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
She needs to have an 25th Amendment submission ready to go as well. Get us some independent doctors to examine ol' senile China Joe.

lol...Just like with Trump and Pence Harris as to initiate the 25th Amendment...