Does the Number of Recorded Deaths in 2020 Reflect the Reported Number of COVID Deaths?

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Democratic presidential candidate Joseph R. Biden opened the final debate with President Trump by predicting a “dark winter” and a bleak future with another 200,000 deaths from the coronavirus pandemic.

Thursday, October 22, 2020

www.commondreams.org...

An alarming scientific report compiled by British researchers and shared with the Trump White House warns that, in the absence of drastic and coordinated government action, the novel coronavirus could kill as many as 2.2 million people in the United States alone.

The new research (pdf), led by epidemiologist Dr. Neil Ferguson and published Monday by the Imperial College of London, shows that merely acting to slow rather than completely stop the spread of COVID-19 would "still likely result in hundreds of thousands of deaths and health systems (most notably intensive care units) being overwhelmed many times over."

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot

www.washingtontimes.com...

Democratic presidential candidate Joseph R. Biden opened the final debate with President Trump by predicting a “dark winter” and a bleak future with another 200,000 deaths from the coronavirus pandemic.

Thursday, October 22, 2020

www.commondreams.org...

An alarming scientific report compiled by British researchers and shared with the Trump White House warns that, in the absence of drastic and coordinated government action, the novel coronavirus could kill as many as 2.2 million people in the United States alone.

The new research (pdf), led by epidemiologist Dr. Neil Ferguson and published Monday by the Imperial College of London, shows that merely acting to slow rather than completely stop the spread of COVID-19 would "still likely result in hundreds of thousands of deaths and health systems (most notably intensive care units) being overwhelmed many times over."

When biden said that deaths were at 220k. How many are there now( with it still ongoing)?

The imperial college report predicted 2.2 million deaths in US with no action taken. Would you say no action was taken?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude
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www.washingtontimes.com...

Democratic presidential candidate Joseph R. Biden opened the final debate with President Trump by predicting a “dark winter” and a bleak future with another 200,000 deaths from the coronavirus pandemic.

Thursday, October 22, 2020

www.commondreams.org...

An alarming scientific report compiled by British researchers and shared with the Trump White House warns that, in the absence of drastic and coordinated government action, the novel coronavirus could kill as many as 2.2 million people in the United States alone.

The new research (pdf), led by epidemiologist Dr. Neil Ferguson and published Monday by the Imperial College of London, shows that merely acting to slow rather than completely stop the spread of COVID-19 would "still likely result in hundreds of thousands of deaths and health systems (most notably intensive care units) being overwhelmed many times over."

When biden said that deaths were at 220k. How many are there now( with it still ongoing)?

He said that on October 22, 2020. If you want to find the actual numbers, go nuts. He was a bit off.

The imperial college report predicted 2.2 million deaths in US with no action taken. Would you say no action was taken?

Yes, action was taken. And it totally eradicated the flu. Well done indeed. Remember, all I did is quote numbers, then back them up. facts not feelz.

The bug we call covid has always been connected to human deaths....its what the bug does....read Dr Hulda Clarks books ..... especially The Cure for all Disease...... she did not nail down the Pleomorphic Bacteria but she did nail down its ride which is parasitic.

Almost every single sick person who dies has this bug in them....almost every person alive who is infected via the foodchain to the bug carries it insitu.....where it remains dormant until the person gets a little sick or body conditions reach a specific point.....many billions carry it.

Th numbers are normal.....if you say all the people dieing have this bug ALREADY in them in one of 3 sizes bacterial-viral-fungal.....you are correct....and if you say that the majority of humans carry this bug you would be correct.

You can carry this bug for 20-30 years and not know it till you become vulnerable and it strikes you down.

It has to be bothered like a Hornet to morph into viral size.

Covid-cold is the pissed off viral sized version and when you get it it immediatly calls all its relatives hiding dormant in your gut in bacterial size to arms to join the fight against you the host and shrink down to viral size to join Covid-cold in your bloodstream.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot

www.washingtontimes.com...

Democratic presidential candidate Joseph R. Biden opened the final debate with President Trump by predicting a “dark winter” and a bleak future with another 200,000 deaths from the coronavirus pandemic.

Thursday, October 22, 2020

www.commondreams.org...

An alarming scientific report compiled by British researchers and shared with the Trump White House warns that, in the absence of drastic and coordinated government action, the novel coronavirus could kill as many as 2.2 million people in the United States alone.

The new research (pdf), led by epidemiologist Dr. Neil Ferguson and published Monday by the Imperial College of London, shows that merely acting to slow rather than completely stop the spread of COVID-19 would "still likely result in hundreds of thousands of deaths and health systems (most notably intensive care units) being overwhelmed many times over."

When biden said that deaths were at 220k. How many are there now( with it still ongoing)?

He said that on October 22, 2020. If you want to find the actual numbers, go nuts. He was a bit off.

The imperial college report predicted 2.2 million deaths in US with no action taken. Would you say no action was taken?

Yes, action was taken. And it totally eradicated the flu. Well done indeed. Remember, all I did is quote numbers, then back them up. facts not feelz.

The article you linked to gives the figure as 220k at that point. So a further 180k deaths and still rising.

Completely agree about facts. They show a substantial increase in deaths last year.

www.cdc.gov...

I wonder what this means?

originally posted by: network dude

www.cdc.gov...

I wonder what this means?

I think it means that page isn't getting updated .

originally posted by: ScepticScot
December mortality rates are still incomplete, particularly the last 2 weeks, so total deaths will still increase a little.

I can't see anything in your linked article to support the claim that total homicides have more than trippled? I would also suggest that seems extremely unlikely

Murder rates have risen by 30%. (Not more than tripled. If I wrote that, I was mistaken. Thanks for pointing that out.)

Murder up 36.7% in 57 agencies with data through at least September (though most have data through November). Murder up in 51 of 57, 37 of 58 agencies reporting murder up more than 30%.

Road traffic deaths have also decreased as you confirm in first half of the year. Why would that be evidence against the numbers bring correct?

As I mentioned, traffic was way down in June, but the fatality rate was up. With way more people back on the road now, let's just hope the traffic fatality rate has gone down since. It's a good article you might want to check it out.

Even a relatively small increase deaths amongst people in younger age brackets would look like a high increase in percentage terms, again the text you quote confirms this How is this evidence that the numbers are incorrect?

As per the article, that age group saw a tremendous increase of death (by as much as 41% in July, and it's been steadily over 20% higher than usual since March-- look at the graph in the article) and only .046 of that was from COVID.
usafacts.org...


This significant rise in non-COVID related death is not reflected in the official numbers given. Something is very off.

www.macrotrends.net...

The current population of U.S. in 2021 is 332,915,073, a 0.58% increase from 2020.
The population of U.S. in 2020 was 331,002,651, a 0.59% increase from 2019.
The population of U.S. in 2019 was 329,064,917, a 0.6% increase from 2018.
The population of U.S. in 2018 was 327,096,265, a 0.62% increase from 2017.

Just to help in cyphering. (maths)

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I think that is a good place to find facts when it is updated. There are several years of pre-covid data there.

And while I sincerely doubt you comprehend this, "facts not feelz" is about finding the truth, not confirmation bias. So while I have my bias firmly planted, AS DO YOU, the facts will lead to the truth, even if it's not what I, or possibly YOU, want to see.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot

I think that is a good place to find facts when it is updated. There are several years of pre-covid data there.

And while I sincerely doubt you comprehend this, "facts not feelz" is about finding the truth, not confirmation bias. So while I have my bias firmly planted, AS DO YOU, the facts will lead to the truth, even if it's not what I, or possibly YOU, want to see.

Again insults when you can't deal with disagreement.

Not clear what 'feelz' you might think I gave since all I have done is point out the facts regarding excess deaths.

The one expressing an opinion here is you that you have been lied to. Feel free to provide some facts to back this up I am sure it would help the conversation

originally posted by: zosimov

originally posted by: ScepticScot
December mortality rates are still incomplete, particularly the last 2 weeks, so total deaths will still increase a little.

I can't see anything in your linked article to support the claim that total homicides have more than trippled? I would also suggest that seems extremely unlikely

Murder rates have risen by 30%. (Not more than tripled. If I wrote that, I was mistaken. Thanks for pointing that out.)

Murder up 36.7% in 57 agencies with data through at least September (though most have data through November). Murder up in 51 of 57, 37 of 58 agencies reporting murder up more than 30%.

Road traffic deaths have also decreased as you confirm in first half of the year. Why would that be evidence against the numbers bring correct?

As I mentioned, traffic was way down in June, but the fatality rate was up. With way more people back on the road now, let's just hope the traffic fatality rate has gone down since. It's a good article you might want to check it out.

Even a relatively small increase deaths amongst people in younger age brackets would look like a high increase in percentage terms, again the text you quote confirms this How is this evidence that the numbers are incorrect?

As per the article, that age group saw a tremendous increase of death (by as much as 41% in July, and it's been steadily over 20% higher than usual since March-- look at the graph in the article) and only .046 of that was from COVID.
usafacts.org...


This significant rise in non-COVID related death is not reflected in the official numbers given. Something is very off.

On the 25 to 44 age bracket I find it odd that is up so much but I can't see where you are getting the numbers in that from covid?

Apologies if I am missing something obvious.

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you are adversarial in every comment you have ever made to me, so forgive me if I sense a pattern forming.

But regardless, as I said, the facts will be factful, and factlike. So much so, that we will all be forced to agree on their factlike existence.

I may have to accept my wish for my bias to be correct didn't win. I can accept that. FACTS NOT FEELZ.

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No, you're not missing the obvious
To get those numbers I used data from the CDC.
On the CDC link I posted in OP there is a breakdown of deaths by age group, and how many of those were COVID related.
According to the data posted, 7,938 of the total 169,916 number of deaths in this age group were attributed to COVID.
Which I just realized is 4.6% not .046% (groan)
Still, 95.4% of these deaths were not COVID related.
www.cdc.gov...

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot

you are adversarial in every comment you have ever made to me, so forgive me if I sense a pattern forming.

But regardless, as I said, the facts will be factful, and factlike. So much so, that we will all be forced to agree on their factlike existence.

I may have to accept my wish for my bias to be correct didn't win. I can accept that. FACTS NOT FEELZ.

There is a difference between disagreeing and being insulting.

Its fair enough (in fact good) that people can have different options about if the locking etc were worth it. I think most people would agree at the extremes (save 1 life no, save millions yes).

However any sensible conversation about that seems clouded by people deliberately misrepresenting the facts for example if more people have died or not.

I don't include the OP in this thread who, while I might disagree with their view, has made a legitimate attempt to look at the numbers.

However there are examples like the thread ,linked in this one, where a poster claimed that there no excess deaths by comparing full year 2019 with part of the year of 2020. When this was pointed out they continued to make the claim and even lobk back to it on other threads.

That is just outright deliberate misinformation, otherwise known as lying .

Again people are entitled to their own opinion but when the facts presented are wrong it misleading this should be pointed out.

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: ScepticScot
No, you're not missing the obvious

To get those numbers I used data from the CDC.
On the CDC link I posted in OP there is a breakdown of deaths by age group, and how many of those were COVID related.
According to the data posted, 7,938 of the total 169,916 number of deaths in this age group were attributed to COVID.
Which I just realized is 4.6% not .046% (groan)
Still, 95.4% of these deaths were not COVID related.
www.cdc.gov...

Thats an intesting point then.

So if deaths in that age group are up 20% + then covud deaths (which are obviously all new) only account for about a quarter the increase .

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot

I think that is a good place to find facts when it is updated. There are several years of pre-covid data there.

And while I sincerely doubt you comprehend this, "facts not feelz" is about finding the truth, not confirmation bias. So while I have my bias firmly planted, AS DO YOU, the facts will lead to the truth, even if it's not what I, or possibly YOU, want to see.

Again insults when you can't deal with disagreement.

Not clear what 'feelz' you might think I gave since all I have done is point out the facts regarding excess deaths.

The one expressing an opinion here is you that you have been lied to. Feel free to provide some facts to back this up I am sure it would help the conversation

Can you point to where I accused you of using feelz? I have provided facts. If any of the facts I provided are wrong, please show why they are wrong, with a link. If you re-read my posts, I am looking for the truth, not confirmation bias.
The truth can't hide when the facts exist. it will be here for all to see. And if the facts show that the virus was deadly, and killed a whole bunch of folks, the facts will show that.

How the reaction worked, how well lockdowns worked, how well the world did in response to this will be more subjective to "feelz", but we aren't discussing those points here, just the numbers.

Who lied to me? The CDC? that's where a good bit of the numbers come from. Please correct any misinformation with factual links.

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This is an issue I been trying to push to my friends and family, but since the propaganda is soo strong, is sad to see our own loves ones falling for the covid drilling.

All people have to do is check covid infections as that is what seems the numbers that matter the most for CDC and big pharma, then compare the recoveries numbers and last but sure the dead.

Then what happen to flu dead? since covid came to the US, flu has actually gone from the media. Yes flu still kills, still infects and still fills hospitals with sick people every season.

How about pneumonia that is one of the biggest killer of the elderly and it do not need covid or flu to kill.

But hey you will take what is given and make your own conclusion.

I did, soo my conclusion is that I have more chances to dying of been hit by a truck or having a hart attack as that kills 18m people a year around the world, than dying from covid, but my chances of getting covid or testing positive are still high because CDC say so.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot

I think that is a good place to find facts when it is updated. There are several years of pre-covid data there.

And while I sincerely doubt you comprehend this, "facts not feelz" is about finding the truth, not confirmation bias. So while I have my bias firmly planted, AS DO YOU, the facts will lead to the truth, even if it's not what I, or possibly YOU, want to see.

Again insults when you can't deal with disagreement.

Not clear what 'feelz' you might think I gave since all I have done is point out the facts regarding excess deaths.

The one expressing an opinion here is you that you have been lied to. Feel free to provide some facts to back this up I am sure it would help the conversation

Can you point to where I accused you of using feelz? I have provided facts. If any of the facts I provided are wrong, please show why they are wrong, with a link. If you re-read my posts, I am looking for the truth, not confirmation bias.
The truth can't hide when the facts exist. it will be here for all to see. And if the facts show that the virus was deadly, and killed a whole bunch of folks, the facts will show that.

How the reaction worked, how well lockdowns worked, how well the world did in response to this will be more subjective to "feelz", but we aren't discussing those points here, just the numbers.

Who lied to me? The CDC? that's where a good bit of the numbers come from. Please correct any misinformation with factual links.

Your first post in this thread.

what do we hope to achieve? How about finding the damn truth? News flash, a few of us in the world are tired of having our legs pissed on and being told it's raining. This is something I know I have been patiently waiting on to see the real numbers. Just how deadly this virus is. Well, it looks like we now know. We have been fed lies long enough.

facts not feelz.

What facts make you think you have been lied to?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: ScepticScot
No, you're not missing the obvious

To get those numbers I used data from the CDC.
On the CDC link I posted in OP there is a breakdown of deaths by age group, and how many of those were COVID related.
According to the data posted, 7,938 of the total 169,916 number of deaths in this age group were attributed to COVID.
Which I just realized is 4.6% not .046% (groan)
Still, 95.4% of these deaths were not COVID related.
www.cdc.gov...

Thats an intesting point then.

So if deaths in that age group are up 20% + then covud deaths (which are obviously all new) only account for about a quarter the increase .

This article suggests that covid deaths in that age bracket are under counted.

www.cidrap.umn.edu...

I could easily believe that in early stages of pandemic when insufficient testing however would expect be less the case now.

Would be interesting see the % of excess deaths attributed to covid in that age group by month.