Can you really say Evolution has no Meaning ?

a reply to: TerraLiga

Oh wow two Wikipedia links you must have researched it for a whole 2 minutes...

They're assuming it's a myth for no good reason. Even native Americans have great flood stories where water covered the world, showing it was not simply a passing of fictional tales or a diffusion of myth, but a real historical event. The water came from underground where there is enough volume of water to reach the peak of the highest mountains on the surface



This is why fish fossils are on the top of mountains. Not just the Himalayan mountains either... they're atop mountains all over due to the global flood that every major culture talks about



So I get it, you will refuse any evidence no matter how straightforward.

But what's the evidence for organisms mutating into the diversity of life as we know it from the last universal common ancestor ? You just believe it with blind faith. You compromise your own ability to search for truth and rely on "experts" who are usually just trying to get grant money

a reply to: cooperton

no... regardless of myth of legend...

Fossils on the tops of mountains are there because they were once below sea level....

Thats how this planet works...plates move and push up islands and mountians

and the biblical flood never happened in any case...

Every case around the world were local floods...

There has never been a global flood

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: cooperton

no... regardless of myth of legend...

Fossils on the tops of mountains are there because they were once below sea level....

Thats how this planet works...plates move and push up islands and mountians

and the biblical flood never happened in any case...

Every case around the world were local floods...

There has never been a global flood

1) Historical records of the global flood from all continents











2) source of water found that would be sufficient to cover the mountains








3) Marine fossils found at high elevations on mountains all throughout the world









4) Boulder erratics found beyond the theorized ice age boundaries











5) Rapid deposition of geological layers proven by up-right polystrate fossils (trees laying upright in the fossil record)




The thing is, a global flood matches the evidence better. What's the evidence that all organisms mutated gradually from the last universal common ancestor microbe?

a reply to: cooperton

The thing is, a global flood matches the evidence better. What's the evidence that all organisms mutated gradually from the last universal common ancestor microbe?

Once again, like a broken record:

Over 500 peer-reviewed journals and thousands of research articles say YOU ARE WRONG.

All the information you're posting about a global flood comes right from here:

arkencounter.com...

Oh boy, real science!! Ham makes a load of money and you spread the crap that he's selling.

Once again, provide SCIENTIFIC, EXPERIMENTAL, DATA evidence that there was this global flood. There is none.
Only the crap you post from myths and legends.

a reply to: Phantom423

Lol don't forget to breathe

Whats your problem with the ancient Aztec codex? Do you think they were just conspiring with the Sumerians, Hebrews, and Chinese and copying their global flood myth from across the world? Notice you don't ever argue the actual substance of the evidence, you just make fallacious appeals to majority as your only defense. If the defense had any credence at all, you would be able to defend it with facts. But you can't, because evolution is a lie.

And no the great pyramids were built by Ham and his ancestors, they were the ones who populated Egypt after the flood. There's ancient migration maps and lineages that go back as far as the flood in regard to genealogies. 150 years off the official archeological accepted dogma is within a 3% certainty interval, meaning it's very much possible that it was near that time frame. See how you have to interpret data on your own to get the true point?

a reply to: cooperton

Please cite the research papers that confirm your opinion. Not myths and legends. Real research with experimental data.

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: cooperton

Please cite the research papers that confirm your opinion. Not myths and legends. Real research with experimental data.

Your religion agrees there was a cataclysmic event... The flood was it. Fish fossils on top of mountains throughout the world proves it.

a reply to: cooperton

Higher purpose is implied if there was a higher intelligence that created our world. Just like us intelligent beings create things often for a purpose, then a higher intelligence would be able to give us a purpose. This is empirical because we are very much seeing the necessity of intelligence with every day life. Our code of laws for example, it helps sustain our society. Soo too do natural laws sustain our reality, and they do not change, showing they are of a higher mandate.

Okay, but you still have not explained what exactly our "ultimate higher purpose" is supposed to be.

Consciousness must have preceded matter because the wave-function collapse itself is effected by the conscious experimenter. This is undeniable no matter how much you want to ignore quantum science.. its just the way it is whether you like it or not. This was the conclusion of the biggest thinkers in developing quantum physics as per the Copenhagen Interpretation and the Observer Effect. Most notably verified by Wheeler's delayed choice experiment, which he described that either the photon is traveling back in time to change its mind, or the observer is the fundamental variable in wave-function collapse.

Physicists have found that even passive observation of quantum phenomena (by changing the test apparatus and passively "ruling out" all but one possibility) can actually change the measured result. Despite the "observer" in this experiment being an electronic detector—possibly due to the assumption that the word "observer" implies a person—its results have led to the popular belief that a conscious mind can directly affect reality.[3] The need for the "observer" to be conscious is not supported by scientific research, and has been pointed out as a misconception rooted in a poor understanding of the quantum wave function ψ and the quantum measurement process

I also pointed out how the Copenhagen interpretation includes among its principles the assertion that without measurement, no statement can be regarded as truth.

no truth can be attributed to an object except according to the results of its measurement

I noticed a distinct lack of quantified or otherwise measured qualities/properties diagramed in your response, which reduces your "theory" to mere hypothesis once again.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

Okay, but you still have not explained what exactly our "ultimate higher purpose" is supposed to be.

I will tell it to you if you are willing to believe there is a higher purpose.

its results have led to the popular belief that a conscious mind can directly affect reality.

Nah my primary evidence for that assertion is the placebo effect. Sheer belief in improvement can improve the outcome. Quantum physics is kinda just the cherry on top to show that sub-atomic sized mechanisms are also aware of this effect of a conscious agent.

no truth can be attributed to an object except according to the results of its measurement

You think this is saying there is no objectivity? That's absurd considering Schroedinger has an equation that predicts the spatiality of a particle which is one of the fundamental equations in all of quantum physics. Your quote is actually saying that the measurement is what actualizes the waveform! This insists on the same point I have been making this whole time.

I noticed a distinct lack of quantified or otherwise measured qualities/properties diagramed in your response

Lol look no further than the top of the page to see multiple qualitative aspects of earth that insist there was some sort of massive flood to move boulders outside of glacial ranges. Or even my last paragraph where I mention Schroedinger's equation to support the assertion that quantum physics are objective, this means the very laws of physics have purpose.

a reply to: cooperton

That's not an answer to the question. Where's the experimental data published in a science journal? You always avoid this question regardless the topic. Why? Because you don't have any genuine science for your opinions. It's just a lot of crap thrown against the wall hoping some will stick.

a reply to: cooperton

I will tell it to you if you are willing to believe there is a higher purpose.

Is that all you have?? A bribe??? Despicable.

a reply to: cooperton

Still no evidence. Another topic, no evidence. More topics, no evidence. You've painted yourself into a corner. No evidence, no science.

originally posted by: Phantom423


Is that all you have?? A bribe??? Despicable.

I have nothing to gain but the joy from seeing someone transition out of the darkness of nihilism!

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: cooperton

Still no evidence. Another topic, no evidence. More topics, no evidence. You've painted yourself into a corner. No evidence, no science.

lolololololol.

Look at my first two posts on this page. That is evidence. It is empirical, observable, and repeatedly seen throughout the world. Your form of science is just scientism, believing theories blindly and waving a bunch of papers around not being able to explain or defend your beliefs.

a reply to: cooperton

There's more evidence for the tooth fairy than for the crap you post.

NO EVIDENCE, NO SCIENCE.

a reply to: cooperton

Nah my primary evidence for that assertion is the placebo effect. Sheer belief in improvement can improve the outcome. Quantum physics is kinda just the cherry on top to show that sub-atomic sized mechanisms are also aware of this effect of a conscious agent.

Sheer belief can change the laws of physics, but evolution is impossible.

You think this is saying there is no objectivity? That's absurd considering Schroedinger has an equation that predicts the spatiality of a particle which is one of the fundamental equations in all of quantum physics. Your quote is actually saying that the measurement is what actualizes the waveform! This insists on the same point I have been making this whole time.

I'm only pointing out the hypocrisy in how you're applying the Copenhagen interpretation. You've never measured any form of divine mass or activity in the way electricity or kinetic energy or metabolism can be measured and documented.

Lol look no further than the top of the page to see multiple qualitative aspects of earth that insist there was some sort of massive flood to move boulders outside of glacial ranges. Or even my last paragraph where I mention Schroedinger's equation to support the assertion that quantum physics are objective, this means the very laws of physics have purpose

That's not evidence, that's grasping for straws as everyone else has already told you. Real evidence would be a Twitter account accurately predicting genuine miracles that defy literally all known laws of physics and then providing an address where local news can document the wizardry firsthand and get all the answers the human species has been craving. Then there's the fundraisers that instantly prove to be unnecessary because magically delivering medicine and food worldwide is one stop shopping for a god, a cheek swab and follicle test, fingerprint records, personal autobiography explaining what the hell he's been doing for the past 2,000 years, a public trial to determine whether he's actually a savior or a menace to society, updated ground rules for interacting with society in the 21st century, just to name a few examples of how our government might reasonably react to a literal alien arriving on earth and claiming to be the father of all mankind. Particularly when that alien makes Omni-man look like Impotent Rage.

What you have provided is speculation at best.

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: cooperton

There's more evidence for the tooth fairy than for the crap you post.

NO EVIDENCE, NO SCIENCE.

You are literally the worst scientist on this forum. Everyone else is mostly capable of discussing the things I say, but you just resort to blind dismissal. Blind dismissal is the opposite of scientific inquiry.

originally posted by: Phantom423
There's more evidence for the tooth fairy than for the crap you post.

Can't remember where I heard this anecdote, but it's about a bright little boy and the tooth fairy. I guess the kid was suspicious of the tooth fairy, so when he lost his next tooth, he didn't tell his family about it. Placed it under the pillow, sure. But kept his mouth shut about losing the tooth. A few days went by, and no money exchanged for the tooth. So he told his parents about losing the tooth. The next morning, the tooth fairy had been there. Kid then went to his parents and called them out, explaining his little experiment.

Lol.. Ik not really relevant to the thread.. But... well these threads.. you know.

a reply to: cooperton

NO EVIDENCE, NO SCIENCE. Produce real scientific evidence WITH DATA, or shut up.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

The kid will make a good scientist. He understands evidence.

originally posted by: TzarChasm


Sheer belief can change the laws of physics, but evolution is impossible.

No but it effects the collapse of the probabilistic form into the discrete quantum collapse. This is essentially what the measurement problem is depicting... The waveform probability collapses into the discrete form upon measurement.

The placebo effect increases the probability of improvement based solely on the variable of the belief of the patient. It's a fact. Real science.

That's not evidence

Fish on top of mountains doesn't make you inquire??? you're just like phantom. Blind dismissal. You hate science and love fairy tales. How about if someone rose from the dead for you?