737-500 Down in Indonesia?

Early days but reports of a 737-500 down shortly after take off at Jakarta?

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Flightradar24 on twitter reported that it lost 10k feet in less than one minute, just four or so minutes after departure?

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Later tweets from them state that the aircraft was

Flight #SJ182 was operated by a Boeing 737-500 "classic" with registration number PK-CLC (MSN 27323). First flight for this aircraft was in May 1994 (26 years old).

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a reply to: solidshot

Looks like you may be onto something.

Descent rate of -30,720 FPM.

Not good.

ETA - From 10,000 ft. AGL that's just over 20 seconds.

originally posted by: solidshot
Early days but reports of a 737-500 down shortly after take off at Jakarta?

www.bloomberg.com...

Flightradar24 on twitter reported that it lost 10k feet in less than one minute, just four or so minutes after departure?

twitter.com...

Later tweets from them state that the aircraft was

Flight #SJ182 was operated by a Boeing 737-500 "classic" with registration number PK-CLC (MSN 27323). First flight for this aircraft was in May 1994 (26 years old).

twitter.com...

Am I right in thinking this is in one of the new Boeings that have had problems before?

a reply to: fusionfilm

No, this is an old one. It's not even an NG.

The 500 series are in the "Classic" generation of 737's.

Suspected debris field found.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Seen a post showing some found small pieces of debris claiming to be from this aircraft.

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I flew the 737-500 series and it is a great little bird. The only thing I can think of is an after departure stall (which I doubt) a Bomb, or someone wanting to meet Allah and take everyone along for the ride. Either way, or the why, I feel sorry for those aboard. The flight recorder if it survived the impact should shed some light on what happened, hopefully.

Sriwijaya doesn't have too terrible of a record as airlines go, although their pilots seem to have a hard time keeping equipment on the runway sometimes. I say this in comparison to some other Indonesian airlines, as well as the fact that Indonesia in general has some pretty sketchy airfields. Pretty much just a small national Indonesian airline which only operates inside the border of Indonesia.

a reply to: solidshot

There won't be many large pieces with a decent rate that high.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

The destination runway at Pontianak was exactly 9.11 miles south of the equator.
Not sure where or why it went down early?

Weather was reported to be pretty nasty at the time of the crash.

The aircraft was delivered to Continental in 1994, then to Sriwijaya in 2012. Debris confirmed from the aircraft found.

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a reply to: Zaphod58

This thing is said to have dropped 10,000 feet in less than a minute. Seems whatever happened had an almost instant effect on the aircraft. I suppose with all the factors taken into consideration it could easily be an accident but I wouldn't rule out some nefarious act here. Such a shame.

a reply to: Catch_a_Fire

That's a very real possibility, but if they were in clouds, spatial disorientation would look similar to a bomb or other catastrophic failure. They push the nose over, thinking they are in a steep climb, especially if they got erroneous inputs to the stick shaker, and before they can recover, it's too late.

I'm not saying that's what happened, but it's happened before and I'm sure it will again.

Raw data from FR24.

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a reply to: Zaphod58

Looks like a stall, for whatever reason.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

It does.


For anyone not really up on start they are reading, they reached 10,900 and 287 knots, but then start losing altitude, but not speed. As they drop through 10,450 their speed drops to 282 knots and starts falling. At 2325 feet, it stops at 173 knots before jumping to over 300 at 1400 feet. That appears to be the nose over point. It looks like another AF447 type stall where they held the nose up most of the way down.

a reply to: Zaphod58

The AOA would feel correct and as you explained in heavy cloud cover trying to get above the turbulence you might not notice unless the altimeter instrumentation gave an audible warning.

That seems fast for a free fall decent.
Kinda feels like a powered dive.

a reply to: Bluntone22

The ADS-B data shows the were wings level and nose up, until just before impact. The were actually losing speed until under 2000 feet, when the speed jumps suddenly.