COVID Likely the Third-Leading Cause of Death in US, CDC Says

I remember discussing excess deaths in a thread. I read this article from Medscape just now. It is being said that there were 316,252 and 431,792 excess deaths in 2020. That's a lot, but still a far cry from the millions they had sometimes said would die from covid.

I took a look at the data and it shows that from March 2020 onwards, there were a few hundred thousand excess deaths, with the highest mortality among those aged 65 and over. There were also marked excess deaths in the 45-64 age bracket. The peak is far higher than seen during previous influenza peaks. And some countries – notably England and Spain – also saw excess deaths in the 15-44 age group. There was no excess mortality seen in children under 15.

"COVID-19 was probably the third leading cause of death in the United States during 2020, CNN reported, citing an email from statisticians with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
"We still only have provisional data through December 26. We should be getting more data in very soon," CDC statisticians said in the email. "To that point we estimate there were between 316,252 and 431,792 excess deaths in 2020.
"Our provisional death certificate data through that point show over 301,000 deaths involving COVID-19, which would likely place it 3rd among leading causes of death."
COVID Likely the Third-Leading Cause of Death in US, CDC Says (medscape.com)

COVID Likely 3rd leading cause of death for 2020

I read this article recently too.

CD Cs method for reporting excess deaths misleading

the CDC misrepresents excess deaths in 2020 by using a misleading and inappropriate method to estimate expected deaths. Look above at the total deaths in 2017, 2018, and 2019 compared to the previous years. The CDC reports that the total deaths increased in large amounts from 2009 to 2016 and then suddenly stopped increasing in 2018 and 2019. While that is possible, it is worth noting as an odd trend in the data.

What do you think? Is there an error or was there a few hundred thousand excess deaths?

I think that until they provide the RAW unadulterated data, none of these reports are to be trusted

originally posted by: TXRabbit
I think that until they provide the RAW unadulterated data, none of these reports are to be trusted

I give you some raw data.

This year we had 2 deals in my job because the virus. A worker next to me and the CEO.

Last 2 months were really hard to keep business running. Almost weekly someone tests positive.

I'm old and tired, had to cancel my vacations.

Numbers should tell the story.
Even the numbers that are being sold to the American public as truth.

The CDC is saying that covid 19 is now the third leading cause of death in the United States.
Any normal person would read that headline and think, wow, there's a new killer in town to take away my life on top of the already numerous ways for me to die.


So what are the actual mortality numbers year to year? This new killer should add to the averages.

Did more people die this year than last year?
How about the year before?

From every source I can find the total number of deaths goes up slightly every year which makes sense since the population goes up every year.

www.macrotrends.net...


We have been played.

If it's like watching case trends and headlines in my area ...



Now, cases bounced up today. That's probably our New Year's spike. Timing is about right. The last high spike you see was the Christmas one. Both spikes are just under 5,000 cases, and right after, the numbers immediately plummet. The overall steady trend is down if slowly, and we've never approached the min-November spike again.

But if you just read the local press headlines, you get a very different picture of things. OMG ... we have the "new variant"! OMG ... record number of deaths!

I can dive deeper into the numbers on the state website too. Our hospital capacity numbers are also slowly trending better, and they were never under 15%.

Then I'd want to see the data for myself and make my own conclusions. To know if this is accurate or if this is people dying with other things ... and COVID.

Of course, it's also just possible that two states - California and New York - have so skewed the data that it might be true.

a reply to: tamusan

Yes Yes death is running rough shod and naked just
outside my door!

Ohhh Surely mine governor will save mine life for me!
Save me this horrid death of which I have heard many
frightening remarks. Ohhh please hurry mine governor
hurry.

Bang Bang Bang Bang!

Ohh No please!

Where for hence comest thou? And art thou death that has
come to steal mine life from me? And why hast thou come
at the hour of mine governors absence? Ohh surely you are
this Death of which I have heard. And of hearing such dread
remarks i do fear! Where o where from hast thou comest?
For I heard you can not be seen. So I must hear from whence
thou has comest?

Alright! already, yes I am death and I'm from China. And
I just got here after a full work load. In all the nursing
homes of the land. Because that's where your governor
sent me lady. Now maybe you can guess what I'm doing
here.......

The end

CDC's new challenge

How many times can we 'jump the shark'?

More like a Political party is responsible .... Jussie sayin

Study of Almost 10 Million Finds NO ASYMPTOMATIC COVID SPREAD; Media Silent

In complete contradiction to the popular narrative used by Democrat politicians and governors across the United States, a new study of 10 million people in Wuhan, China - ground zero for the COVID virus, showed that asymptomatic spread of COVID does not occur, nullifying all reasoning for business closures and lockdowns.

China’s Cognitive Warfare

The Chinese Communist Party plainly says that what they want is a space for their form of authoritarianism to be able to live and survive… .

I think that will be the challenge, not a rising China, but a China that is led by a Marxist-Leninist Chinese Communist Party that believes that constitutional democracy and that human rights and that citizen movements are a threat to the Chinese Communist Party. …

MT beat me to it.

I had been looking for more info on the excess deaths. I suspected the excess death number might be manipulaed because I was reading some footnotes on CDC website and I noticed they used the term "expected deaths" meaning the death count is a prediction, not actual deaths. The American Thinker article linked in the OP explains how it is calculated.

I guess I don't understand why death count would be a prediction. It is a binary question. People have died or they haven't? How hard is it to say X number of people died in 2019 and YTD Y number of people have died? Why do we need to predict of expect anything?

Secondly, we need to see all causes of deaths historically going back years.

It has been noted the flu doesn't exist anymore which is pretty clear indication that flu = covid now. What is the death count of heart attacks? Cancer? Strokes? If these are going down then it very well proves that Covid is all encompassing.

a reply to: samuelsson




Spread the WORD

Oh look, now they're coming for our peaceful assemblies.

originally posted by: Nivhk
Oh look, now they're coming for our peaceful assemblies.

Can't have those. They might turn into violent mobs.

a reply to: Bluntone22

Did more people die this year than last year?
How about the year before?

I personally know of more people who died in 2020 than any other year of my life. Mostly Suicides and a couple of people who were scared to go to the hospital for life threatening noncovid reasons. I only know of 1 covid death personally. I'm not questioning that there were excess deaths. What I am really wondering is if the bulk are covid deaths as is being said.

originally posted by: Edumakated
I had been looking for more info on the excess deaths. I suspected the excess death number might be manipulaed because I was reading some footnotes on CDC website and I noticed they used the term "expected deaths" meaning the death count is a prediction, not actual deaths. The American Thinker article linked in the OP explains how it is calculated.

I guess I don't understand why death count would be a prediction. It is a binary question. People have died or they haven't? How hard is it to say X number of people died in 2019 and YTD Y number of people have died? Why do we need to predict of expect anything?

Secondly, we need to see all causes of deaths historically going back years.

It has been noted the flu doesn't exist anymore which is pretty clear indication that flu = covid now. What is the death count of heart attacks? Cancer? Strokes? If these are going down then it very well proves that Covid is all encompassing.

The expected deaths figure is to give context to the actual recorded deaths. In the CDC data I believe its a 3 year average.

It does not replace the recorded deaths figure.

a reply to: ketsuko

we have the "new variant"! OMG

Nothing has been proven about the UK or S. African variants in the lab, yet. I will wait on the data showing the strains are more infectious or not before I believe anything like that. I also like to look for the simplest answers, and what I see is that a lot of people in the UK and S. Africa were not wearing masks and distancing and then fall/winter hit.

The odd thing is that more kids are getting sick. That has a lot to do with the increased cases, too. The question I would have is did it mutate to be able to more easily infect kids or is this just a case of more kids being gathered together for school?

How many of you have tried looking up historical statics on deaths in your area only to find the data not published, obfuscated in some odd fashion (fill out a form to request data)? You'd think it would be easy.

On another note...

A friend on Facebook posted a local story about how 2 refrigerated trucks were parked outside of a large hospital here in Fort Worth in order to help store the excess bodies from the hospital being overrun. The teaser below the headline read something like "Since Dec 27 there have been 142 deaths in Tarrant county" but once you read the article, it states something akin to "Since Dec 27, with the exception of Jan 1 when numbers were not supplied, Tarrant County has averaged 13 deaths a day until today where 8 were reported".
Now this "news" was published on Jan 6. I'm no math guru but 5 days of 13 deaths a day plus the 8 reported on the day of the article DOES NOT EQUAL 142

I'll try to find a link to the article.

I called out this "reporting" in the comments to my friend's post and they responded "I hadn't read the whole article. I'll delete the post".

So again....the fearmongering is working on the sheeple. Headlines dictate the narrative because they know that people won't read anything past 1 or 2 lines yet they're all about "spreadin the news!"

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Edumakated
I had been looking for more info on the excess deaths. I suspected the excess death number might be manipulaed because I was reading some footnotes on CDC website and I noticed they used the term "expected deaths" meaning the death count is a prediction, not actual deaths. The American Thinker article linked in the OP explains how it is calculated.

I guess I don't understand why death count would be a prediction. It is a binary question. People have died or they haven't? How hard is it to say X number of people died in 2019 and YTD Y number of people have died? Why do we need to predict of expect anything?

Secondly, we need to see all causes of deaths historically going back years.

It has been noted the flu doesn't exist anymore which is pretty clear indication that flu = covid now. What is the death count of heart attacks? Cancer? Strokes? If these are going down then it very well proves that Covid is all encompassing.

The expected deaths figure is to give context to the actual recorded deaths. In the CDC data I believe its a 3 year average.

It does not replace the recorded deaths figure.

In the article linked in the OP, it lays out the issue with "expected death" number. In particular, using the last three years as a proxy.

People either died or they didn't. We don't need an "expected death" figure. We need actual death figures. Now that 2020 is over, it should not be rocket science to say X number of people actually died in 2020. Not a guesstimate. Not estimated. Not projected. This is the stack of death certificates we have and there are 3,000,000 or whatever the number.

We should also be able to show who died of what exactly and compare that to previous year records.

Enough with the obfuscation, data massaging, etc. These should be pretty simple data to analyze imho.