Ashli Babbitt - Capitol Shooting Victim

a reply to: MapMistress

I think it's cute that you're using a FICTIONAL film to try an draw an allegory to the seditious POS's that rioted, looted and murdered at the Capitol.

a reply to: MapMistress

Near as I can tell, in Arizona a homeowner can invoke castle doctrine defense to a shooting for second degree burglary, which is an an unarmed offense. First degree requires being armed.

Arizona doesn’t have specific castle laws; however, Arizona does permit physical force, and deadly force when reasonable and immediately necessary to prevent several serious crimes, including Burglary in the first and second degree. Practically speaking, intruders inside the home can usually be reasonably perceived to be committing theft or another felony in one’s home, which is the definition of burglary. Thus, the use of physical force against home intruders is almost always permissible.

Might wanna brush up before wading into legal debates.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Maybe they can watch a film with some legal stuff in it next time.

a reply to: Snarl

Police officers or armed security were on her side of the door and vacated back down the stairs without being harmed.
She begins to crawl through the barricaded entry way and she's shot in the neck.
That's a gray area. But I do lean towards her being shot as unjustified. Beat her on the head with a baton, fine. Fire a warning shot and toss a flash bang into the other side, fine. maybe those cops n her side got orders to pull back because deadly force was going to be used.
But I'm on record saying that Kenosha guy who was shot brogut it on himself. So this woman takes some blame. This is a federal building. Senators are in there. Granted most of them aren't worth a damn and are a sorry excuse for human beings( You saw them scurrying around like frightened cockroaches) but they are elected ( some even fairly) and are leaders of the country. They have highly trained people protecting them. Their lives are worth more than yours or mine. Do you really think its wise to try to break in and confront them?
But they had a hearing in Kenosha and in other shootings there were trials when police shot people. I expect this to be treated no differently no matter what the outcome.
But wouldn't things have turned out so much better if instead of armed police there were crisis mitigaters and counselors there to talk everyone to a a peaceful resolution?

originally posted by: Dutchowl
But I do lean towards her being shot as unjustified.

Why? Be specific.

originally posted by: Dutchowl
Senators are in there. Granted most of them aren't worth a damn and are a sorry excuse for human beings( You saw them scurrying around like frightened cockroaches) but they are elected (some even fairly) and are leaders of the country.

They have highly trained people protecting them.

Know what? They wouldn't need protection if they could be counted on to do the right thing (and remain uncorrupted).

The highly trained people put themselves at great risk ... for $$$. That makes them a mercenary force. When the general populace comes around to this understanding, they will show these people (and their employers) zero mercy and give them no quarter. Everyone who took the dirty money ...

a reply to: Dutchowl

Plainclothes cops are definitely known for having flash bangs tucked in their suit coat pockets, for sure. And a warning shot in that situation is a magnificent idea.

a reply to: Snarl

You seem to understand it already, guess it’s up to you to lead the way amigo. The time for keyboard warrior posturing is clearly over and it’s time to go be a real warrior.

I’m sure you’re already packing your go-bag.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
You seem to understand it already, guess it’s up to you to lead the way amigo.

We used to sing a cadence in the military ... something about "the young and the bold". My job, now, is to look at the misguided with a condescending and disapproving stare. Feel it?

a reply to: Snarl

I don’t feel much of anything at all for you, no. But please, tell us more stories of what you used to do, they’re amazing

Just keep in mind that the “mercenary force” is paid for by taxes, which you likely pay somewhere along the way in life, which means the “mercenary force” is really just doing what you, as their employer, is paying them to do. They may be taking the money, but you’re the one giving it.

Hopefully others remember who’s paying them as you try to cajole others into doing what you’re unwilling to do for yourself.

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
She's a traitor and put herself in that position. Frankly, she got what she deserved.

Wow...just...wow...

I am really lost for words reading this comment. Seeing that several people starred this reply is....scary is not the right word but comes close..

a reply to: Dutchowl

There is nothing about her trespassing to indicate she was a armed and had murderous intent.

I am sorry. Other Babbitt being an inconvenience. There is no indication that she was a creditable threat with intent to cause physical harm to any senator or congress person.

a reply to: Shamrock6

But we are not talking about a home. We are discussing a glorified office building where security has clear rules of engagement, and policies in place to prevent abuse of power by government employees.

originally posted by: wheresthebody
I feel so bad for this poor brainwashed woman and her family.

lol faux concern is so easy to spot

a reply to: neutronflux

The comment I replied to was absolutely talking about a home.

Here in Arizona, if you shoot an unarmed person who breaks into your home then you can be charged with manslaughter

If you’re too incompetent to pay attention to the entirety of a conversation that you’re not involved in, kindly stay out of it. All the more so when you’ve yet to respond to repeated requests, that were actually directed to you, to support your arguments with sources. It’s really starting to seem like you just want my attention at this point.

Either way. Home defense laws are a moot point to this thread.

Shrugs.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
Just keep in mind that the “mercenary force” is paid for by taxes, which you likely pay somewhere along the way in life, which means the “mercenary force” is really just doing what you, as their employer, is paying them to do.

That's prolly the exact thought you have when you issue somebody a traffic ticket. Just sheering a little bit of the wool ... so I can keep the shirt on my back.

Feel it?

They may be taking the money, but you’re the one giving it.

I'll let Pink Floyd have the last words
They will take
And you will give
And you must die
So that they may live

a reply to: Lysergic

You're just projecting, no surprise.

a reply to: Snarl

Feel it?

Why do you want me to feel you so badly? Couple that with you singing to me and you’re making things pretty weird, fella.

a reply to: wheresthebody

it's cool I dgaf about it.

just found it funny, and you know I'm right, we can pretend if you like though.