It Seems Like the Terrorists Are Just A Little Too Convenient.....

Keep the american hayseeds scared. Scared of gays, scared of other cultures, scared of education, scared of sex, scared of their own shadows.

There are modern counties who have experienced terrorism for centuries.

Yet the first time an atrocity is done on US soil, the world goes into a mad, ill-justified war.

While I do feel for the 9/11 victims I also believe that Bush/Saudi parties orchestrated this.

You eat your own children, and enjoy it.

Are terorists convenient. Hell yes. Who is the next demon for stupid american consumers and voters?

I can only hope it is yourselves.

I've look into Islam and found nothing good in it i also found out it prompts terrorism againist it's non-believer's and teachs it's followers to depise the rest of people that don't follow it and seem them as subclass of human beings. I totally disregard Islam, so if Malcom X couldn't see this then he not worth listening to.

I'm sick of and tired of lame ideology's, i'm sick and tired of this, idea that that all religion are peaceful, that all music and culture's are all good. The reality is they are not, some off are WRONG and fail morality test's. The same goes for government system's captalism, communist all retarted mentality's. I'm not going to see back and embrace every lame ideology, because i have to muiltcultural and politcal correct. If you people can't see, the wrong's of this world, then how can you ever see the rights?

If i claim something is WRONG i'm arogant and ignorant? So nothing can be wrong.? It's easy to site back and not answer a question and judge other's who have answered the question.

Face it people. People in this world make wrong decission's. People join religions, follow culture and ideology's that bring them down. Media is wrong, hollywood is wrong, most religion are wrong, homosexuality is wrong, so is lesbianism. I have support for this stuff and i will never support. The current dating and nightclub patterns is wrong. Music culture is wrong, movie's are wrong!!

[edit on 21-3-2005 by TheTruth123]

Originally posted by Simulacra

Originally posted by TheTruth123
Malcom X is muslim. There for anything he say's is not worth hearing.

What you just said was highly ignorant. Who are you to judge a person by his religion? Skip the warning, you just need to get banned for this one.

What are you? the political correct, leftish though crime police?
Anything that is anti-religion, anti-culture, anti-certain belif's is a crime in a leftish mind?

I'm sure heaven is leftish world, which support satanism and immgration from hell. You are either truth or lies. You are either wrong or right.

Leftism is being right and wrong and embracing them. It's like puting wolve with sheep in the same room. Of course the wolve will tear apart the sheep, but they won't tell you that so that leftism lives on.

Originally posted by Simulacra

Originally posted by TheTruth123
Malcom X is muslim. There for anything he say's is not worth hearing.

What you just said was highly ignorant. Who are you to judge a person by his religion? Skip the warning, you just need to get banned for this one.

I judge a man by his deeds, but - if I see a trend forming, I am more cognizant of that group regardless of race, color, gender or religion.

Chief

Originally posted by TheTruth123
What are you? the political correct, leftish though crime police?

I don’t marginalize my ideas based on media/political created boundaries. Leftist/Rightist, Liberal/Conservative is just means of separation and thus control.

Originally posted by TheTruth123
Anything that is anti-religion, anti-culture, anti-certain belif's is a crime in a leftish mind?

What? What the hell are you talking about? The entire world is not polarized into Leftish/Rightish. Those are methods of division created by the powers that be to prevent people from uniting.

Originally posted by TheTruth123
I'm sure heaven is leftish world, which support satanism and immgration from hell. You are either truth or lies. You are either wrong or right.

Leftism is being right and wrong and embracing them. It's like puting wolve with sheep in the same room. Of course the wolve will tear apart the sheep, but they won't tell you that so that leftism lives on.

Our reality is not dichotomized.

Originally posted by w555hc
I judge a man by his deeds, but - if I see a trend forming, I am more cognizant of that group regardless of race, color, gender or religion.

Terrorist are usually Muslims bent on fundamentalism. I think it's safe to say that Malcolm X was no where near a Muslim fundamentalist; if he was...he wouldn't have approached the civil rights movement in such a non violent manner. Now to think about it, the Nation of Islam and Islam are two totally different entities in itself. So it's unfair to compare the two.

Accualy Malcom X DIDN"T like the non-violent action being taken by M.L.King and such.

He preached "by any means necessary". which may not have ment Violence in particular, but ANY MEANS, certianly includes violence.

peace.

edit: you are right the two still cannot be compaired.

[edit on 21-3-2005 by Halfofone]

Originally posted by TheTruth123
I've look into Islam and found nothing good in it i also found out it prompts terrorism againist it's non-believer's and teachs it's followers to depise the rest of people that don't follow it and seem them as subclass of human beings. I totally disregard Islam, so if Malcom X couldn't see this then he not worth listening to.
[edit on 21-3-2005 by TheTruth123]

Islam and "nation of islam" are VERY different my friend.
If you really knew anything about either then you would never have said anything so ignorant.

religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu...

The roots of the Nation of Islam can be traced back to the early part of the 20th century with the emergence of black militant groups. For the most part, NOI surfaced as a social movement, "a large organized group of people committed to collective goals and ideals to preserve or change the existing political economic structure and human relationships in a society"3. The NOI is a specific type of movement because it not only is designed for winning black converts but also focuses on black socioeconomic issues. "A black nationalist movement is an organized effort to create a collective consciousness and racial/cultural pride"...

Originally posted by CyberKat
This is just one more recent example which brought the whole thing to my attention again, that suggests that those "terrorists" are simply too convenient for the government, whenever they want a legal reason to search people and/or their possessions, when normally it would be illegal and unconstitutional.

So are you claiming that it was the government that was searching people entering the building? I somehow think that it was in fact the venue operators.

Where is it written in the constitution that I do not have the right to impose certain rules and restrictions on persons entering a private establishment?

Don’t forget that the people entering the facilities had specifically agreed to be searched when entering the facility!

(have you ever read the back of a ticket stub?)

I seem to recall being searched when entering ball parks, concerts etc, long before 9/11.




[edit on 21-3-2005 by HowardRoark]

OKLAHOMA CITY -- As President George W. Bush raised the nation's terror alert Monday, so did Oklahoma Gov. Brad Henry, meaning fans attending the NCAA regional this week at the Ford Center in Oklahoma City should expect heightened security measures.

You just quoted something that I commented on regarding the news article(above) which I was quoting from. However, you took it quite out of context.

quote: Originally posted by CyberKat
This is just one more recent example which brought the whole thing to my attention again, that suggests that those "terrorists" are simply too convenient for the government, whenever they want a legal reason to search people and/or their possessions, when normally it would be illegal and unconstitutional.

At the beginnng of this post is the origingal quote to which I was referring when I made the statement that offended you. It very clearly associates the heightened security at the NCAA Regional with President Bush's raising of the nation's terror alert, causing the Governor of Oklahoma to heighten security. Any extra security that you might be talking about on the part of the vendors of the Ford Center, would also have been originatedby the President's announcement of a heighten terrorist alert.

Quote me, but don't mis-quote me/take my words out of context.

One other thing, I don't know what kind of concerts, other events you attended prior to 9-11 where you were used to being searched, but I also have attended more concerts, etc... than I can count, mostly prior to 9-11, and I never expected to be searched, neither was anyone else that I went with, and we never were.

[edit on 3/21/2005 by CyberKat]

[edit on 3/21/2005 by CyberKat]

Cyberkat, I have not taken any offense at anything you have posted.

The argument that you made in the initial post is that the government is using terrorism to take away constitutional freedoms. The example that you gave had to do with the security at the NCAA basketball games.

My post was simply to point out that it is not logical (at least in my opinion) to associate a heightened threat level with the security measures taken by private entities for their own purpose.

Again, the NCAA events are private events. It is within the law for the operators of that event to impose whatever restrictions the want contingent of the purchase of a ticket to attend those events. If they said that everyone attending the games had to put on a silly hat and sing “I’m a little teapot” before they let them in, then so be it.

At the same time it is also perfectly within the scope of the law and the constitution for the government to impose regulations upon those operators to protect public safety and health. The venue must meet fire codes, meet structural requirements, etc. Security is well within this scope of responsibility.

So I guess after all that, I am still not sure what your issue is.

As for the concerts, I definitely remember being patted down on the way into a KMFDM concert, but they were mainly looking for people sneaking their own drinks into the event. I can remember getting patted down at other concerts, also, just not which concert it was

Other times I can remember when certain clubs that would not let people in if they were wearing certain color clothes.

Originally posted by TheTruth123

Originally posted by Simulacra

Originally posted by TheTruth123
Malcom X is muslim. There for anything he say's is not worth hearing.

What you just said was highly ignorant. Who are you to judge a person by his religion? Skip the warning, you just need to get banned for this one.

What are you? the political correct, leftish though crime police?
Anything that is anti-religion, anti-culture, anti-certain belif's is a crime in a leftish mind?

I'm sure heaven is leftish world, which support satanism and immgration from hell. You are either truth or lies. You are either wrong or right.

Leftism is being right and wrong and embracing them. It's like puting wolve with sheep in the same room. Of course the wolve will tear apart the sheep, but they won't tell you that so that leftism lives on.

i wouldnt say ur arrogant, i would say ur just plain stupid, from ur stupidity comes ur ignorance.

Originally posted by motionknight

i wouldnt say ur arrogant, i would say ur just plain stupid, from ur stupidity comes ur ignorance.

That's a nice red tag you aren't wearing yet, service is a little delayed at the warn shop on a busy day.


I am interested in how many members posting on this thread know what the acronym " U.S.A. P.A.T.R.I.O.T. " in the Patriot Acts 1 & 2 stands for?

And specifically why the acts were constructed around the purported threat of domestic terrorism by the previous criminal Attorney-General A$$croft, and against what specific non-terrorist groups the Acts have been misused and abused?

Usual Suspects Alert: Politicians Attacking Traditional Rights Instead Of Terrorists

One problem for critics is that the PATRIOT ACT doesn't just target foreign terrorists like Al- Qaeda. Instead, it defines a terrorist as anyone suspected of intending to injure people or destroy property. And anyone suspected of supporting terrorists can be investigated too. Critics say that definition is so broad, it leaves the door wide open for the government to spy on people or groups it doesn't like, right here at home.

"It can basically be used to suppress almost any kind of dissent that the government doesn't want, and that really chills democracy," says David Glick, Sausalito resident.

source

As for specifics Masked, any example I could dig up on google could be disputed, So I won't waist my time now. I do remember a story about a Kmart raid in Houston that was an extreem abuse of police power. Also it could be said that 'no protest zones' are unconstitutional.

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar

Originally posted by motionknight

i wouldnt say ur arrogant, i would say ur just plain stupid, from ur stupidity comes ur ignorance.

That's a nice red tag you aren't wearing yet, service is a little delayed at the warn shop on a busy day.


I am interested in how many members posting on this thread know what the acronym " U.S.A. P.A.T.R.I.O.T. " in the Patriot Acts 1 & 2 stands for?

And specifically why the acts were constructed around the purported threat of domestic terrorism by the previous criminal Attorney-General A$$croft, and against what specific non-terrorist groups the Acts have been misused and abused?

Im not in america so im not worried about my red tag.