Trump's Dilemma

Millions of Americans believe that the 2020 election included fraud, destroyed ballots and more, "stealing" the election for Biden over the incumbent. Consider the damage a fraudulent, or belief in a fraudulent election, will do to the representation of Americans across the land. If you believe the 2020 Presidential election was fraudulent, and literally millions of Americans do, would that not disenfranchise you from voting in future elections? Of course it would. On the other hand, if you are one of the people who doesn't believe fraud played a major role in the election of Biden, then you are even more convinced to keep voting knowing that although millions do believe in it and are downtrodden. It's a convincing angle that your party is "winning" the momentum of the country's political direction, DESPITE the overwhelming success of the Republican's in down-ballot contests in 2020.

This puts President Trump into an extreme scenario of deciding how to deal with this suspected voter election fraud. The POTUS, and the entire Federal and State governments across this nation, MUST address this voter fraud concern or our elections are no longer valid. Many articles have been written (here's one example) of how Trump will deal with this challenge of restoring election integrity andor possibly claiming the 2020 election as a win.

However, many people reading those articles might not realize that this is actually a real concern and a major dilemma for the current President. On one hand, if the President does nothing to ensure election integrity millions of Americans (including Democratic voters) would fall further away from believing that their vote actually counts. On the other hand, a majority of Americans do NOT believe that election fraud determined the outcome of the 2020 Presidential election, and should President Trump make a move in any direction that could see him "take power" would undoubtedly spark a limited but open civil war.

This is not a light decision to be made and I would argue that their is some sound reasons for Trump to claim the power of President for the next inauguration. On the other hand, I can also see how the breaking of the traditions and constitutional laws in place (two wrongs don't make a right) would create havoc.

So, ATS reader, I ask you, what is more important? This is a serious dilemma Trump is facing. Our nation, one way or another, is facing a crisis. It's either a crisis of election integrity and just governmental representation or it's a crisis of a President usurping power (in the minds of the majority).

What is more important, that we as a nation "suck up" the fraud that we may continue or that we restore a President that the DNI has confirmed in an election that was foreign-interfered with and in the minds of many, fraudulent.

DNI Confirms Foreign Election Interference

From what I have been reading, mass cheating when on. Is that fraud ? Or is it just cheating , and in life that is a fact of life. People cheat to win.

originally posted by: Tempter

If you believe the 2020 Presidential election was fraudulent, and literally millions of Americans do, would that not disenfranchise you from voting in future elections? Of course it would.

No, it doesn't. It steels my resolve to do what I can to make sure my vote is counted. Only a quitter would let cheaters continue to win if there is any possibility to stop them.

Is it worth it? Is the blood worth it?

He could deal with it by acknowledging this was a fair and free election with no proven cases of voter fraud. He's the one perpetuating this conspiracy, making the "millions" believe and creating this, very real, problem.

If the fraud is real, prove it in court and stop the whining nonsense to raise money.

a reply to: Tempter

As long as he does not let the door hit him on the arse on the way out no harm no foul.

What dilemma? The courts have spoken, including the SCOTUS. The Electoral College has spoken. The transition is underway and Biden will be inaugurated President. It's over. End of story. If Trump were to declare he is the winner, he will be dragged off the stage. Yes, he has a lot of supporters, but the fact is half the country thinks he is a buffoon at best. He can yell and scream from the sidelines if he wants, but people will pay as much attention to him as they do to Jimmy Carter.

originally posted by: Gnawledge
He could deal with it by acknowledging this was a fair and free election with no proven cases of voter fraud. He's the one perpetuating this conspiracy, making the "millions" believe and creating this, very real, problem.

If the fraud is real, prove it in court and stop the whining nonsense to raise money.

Trump aside, many people have given sworn affidavits as witnesses of fraud. One day you will have to admit that if you're honest.

a reply to: Tempter

Yuh spelt Dilemma wrong...sigh! and all those nice paragraphs too.

POI, the only Trump dilemma now, is counting the coins in his '2022 fund raising', which he can spend in any which way.

originally posted by: HalWesten

Trump aside, many people have given sworn affidavits as witnesses of fraud. One day you will have to admit that if you're honest.

So? people do a lot of swearing all the time...truth though is secondary, swearing is like putting on makeup.

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: HalWesten

Trump aside, many people have given sworn affidavits as witnesses of fraud. One day you will have to admit that if you're honest.

So? people do a lot of swearing all the time...truth though is secondary, swearing is like putting on makeup.

Way too many with the same story to be fake. This happened, but not enough people are interested in knowing what happened.

a reply to: musicismagic

Someone who cheats to win, believes that one can only win by cheating.

This pretty much sums up Trump's claims of cheating and fraud.

My take is that it's all frigged anyway. The progressives have destroyed the system and there's really nothing left to save in it's current form. I'd rather see it go out all at once.

It's like if you have someone dying from massively metastasized cancer and the person will die, no question. The patient is essentially a dead man walking but there's a slim chance that a massive dose of radiation, while promising to cause all kinds of adverse side effects, might save their life; or it might kill them quickly. Either option is better than the slow death that he is dying.

Not a perfect analogy, but you get the point. The US is that patient. It is moribund. Just zap it!

#CrossTheRubicon

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Bring it to court

Oh, already been done..I guess get the f over it then.Come up with an unloathed candidate

originally posted by: musicismagic
From what I have been reading, mass cheating when on. Is that fraud ? Or is it just cheating , and in life that is a fact of life. People cheat to win.

That has to be one of the saddest things I have ever read!

My wife was a teacher at one point. She caught a student cheating on a test. The parent's reaction was, "She want cheating, she was just copying off the other kid's paper."

SMH

originally posted by: Tempter
Is it worth it? Is the blood worth it?

Did Churchill ask that question? Or Roosevelt?

Did Washington or Jefferson?

"You might not know this, but there are things that gnaw on a man worse than dying."

ETA: Yes, they most certainly did. And they realized that there are things that are more important that taking that next breath.

originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: Tempter
Is it worth it? Is the blood worth it?

Did Churchill ask that question? Or Roosevelt?

Did Washington or Jefferson?

"You might not know this, but there are things that gnaw on a man worse than dying."

ETA: Yes, they most certainly did. And they realized that there are things that are more important that taking that next breath.

I agree. They probably pondered this many times.

Glad they chose the right direction. But will Trump?

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a reply to: HalWesten

Millions of people swear to believe truth in things that millions of others would consider contrary to their sworn truth.

Its almost impossible to get people to agree in their belief without some conflict of cognisance.

If you believe something as factual, it relies on you to demonstrate that if you want others to concor.

originally posted by: HalWesten
Way too many with the same story to be fake.

Didn't Trump say he was gonna get cheated? What did he do?

Guess what? Had he jailed everyone who was running a coup on him for four years ... his opposition would have been too terrified to even attempt a cheat.

He sort'a promised he was gonna get rid of the swamp.

At the outset he should have defunded the FBI. It was within his authority to do so ... ... but nooooo.

"The intel community can come at you six ways from Sunday" (warned by Schumer). Defund the bastards!! That's all he had to do ... ... but nooooo.

The DoD leadership doesn't plan their way out of the Middle East. Defund the bastards!! That's all he had to do ... ... but nooooo.

I could go on ...

originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: Gnawledge
He could deal with it by acknowledging this was a fair and free election with no proven cases of voter fraud. He's the one perpetuating this conspiracy, making the "millions" believe and creating this, very real, problem.

If the fraud is real, prove it in court and stop the whining nonsense to raise money.

Trump aside, many people have given sworn affidavits as witnesses of fraud. One day you will have to admit that if you're honest.

They didn't give them to a court. And if they gave them to a lawyer, that lawyer didn't present them in a court.

Move on already.