Welcome to the Demagoguery of the United States of America

dem·a·gog·uer·y
/ˈdeməˌɡäɡ(ə)rē/
noun
political activity or practices that seek support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument.
"the demagoguery of political opportunists"



Can it be denied that the USA is no longer a Democracy ? I think not . We are now and have been living in a Demagoguery for some time now.

Can our first True Demagogue be identified historically ? My opinion is John F Kennedy was the first American Demagogue , since him and the End of WWII America has been an ever-growing pit of Social retardation.

After World War 2 America was officially no longer an Isolationist nation , we were Officially done with the Great Depression but we had picked up quite a few Government programs out of a complete necessity from the Great Depression , but after the depression was over and there was no longer a need for these Government programs we unfortunately kept them .

and thus began the slow growth of the American nanny state the American Demagogue.

How much longer will it last ? We have only ourselves to blame for the destruction of the Greatest Attempt at Democracy ever .

China will soon have complete control of America's internal infrastructure and where we go from there is anyones guess.

as always thank you for your time.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I'll say it again, we've had a communist revolution and quite willingly I might add. I never thought that we Americans as much as we cherish our 2nd amendment would willingly give up the Republic but that's the way it is.

What I wonder about is how we'll react when even more amendments are trashed. The first and fourth are gone and I'm sure the second will follow shortly.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

We never were a Democracy, first off...

The founding fathers thought that a Democracy was absolutely repugnant.

Which is why they framed our country around the ideology of a Republic instead.

As for where our country went off the rails was the ideology of Progressivism.

So to look for your big hitters there, look no further then Wilson, FDR, Johnson.

Or more recently Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush, Obama.

And next up, Harris.

What better way to FINALLY get Progressivism off the ground.

Until, of course, we run out of other people's money.

Oh wait.

We're already there.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Great post well summed up , Demagoguery indeed.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
Can it be denied that the USA is no longer a Democracy ? I think not . We are now and have been living in a Demagoguery for some time now.

By a long time, do you mean since Bush? Or has this change just occurred since Trump?

Just curious...

a reply to: Lumenari

The Eye of (Monetary) Mordor has now wheeled around to the last bastion of massive wealth yet unmined and pillaged. The Middle Class.

They're not creating a class war with the elites, just between the middle class. They're creating anarchy and chaos in the middle class. They're going to make you hate your next door neighbor so badly you won't even care when they raid your 401k, your retirement, your investments, and tax you into oblivion.

This is their strategy. Destabilize all of middle class society to the point where reality doesn't exist anymore. Divide and conquer.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Giving the benefit of the doubt, I presume you meant "Democratic Republic" and not "Democracy". That being the case, excellent OP!

S&F.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

After World War 2 America was officially no longer an Isolationist nation , we were Officially done with the Great Depression but we had picked up quite a few Government programs out of a complete necessity from the Great Depression , but after the depression was over and there was no longer a need for these Government programs we unfortunately kept them .

Pretty much I think. American capitalism thrived on consuming the resources of North America along with the labor of North Americans. That screeched to a halt in the late 20s from it's own excesses. The drive for more and more by those in the top echelons of wealth over extended the stock market and banking system which then went kaplooey.

It took the concerted effort of the programs during the depression and that ethic carried on into the war.

Once the war was over, American capitalism saw a whole new field of resources and markets. No other industrial nation remained with it's manufacturing infrastructure in tact. The world was a wide open oyster of potential resources and markets from which the American industrial system could profit.

I think that Kennedy and those in power knew this. The notion of making the world over in the American image with of course the American economy existing as not only the template but the head of a world capitalist system was highly attractive to the heads of American corporations.

This was fed to the American people as Manifest Destiny, that shinning beacon of light by which the whole world could see to raise themselves from poverty. This then transformed into American Exceptionalism where our way became the only way. American hegemony became the arrow that pointed to a unified world. This however proved to be a silly notion because of, well, because, the rest of the rest of the world.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
dem·a·gog·uer·y
/ˈdeməˌɡäɡ(ə)rē/
noun
political activity or practices that seek support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument.

That sounds like a government of the people, by the people, for the people.

Isn't the purpose of representative/republican government that the desires of ordinary people be taken into account?

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
dem·a·gog·uer·y
/ˈdeməˌɡäɡ(ə)rē/
noun
political activity or practices that seek support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument.

That sounds like a government of the people, by the people, for the people.

Isn't the purpose of representative/republican government that the desires of ordinary people be taken into account?

No . Especially no when the " People" are choosing who to vote for by what there favorite Candy Bar is .

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
Can it be denied that the USA is no longer a Democracy ? I think not . We are now and have been living in a Demagoguery for some time now.

By a long time, do you mean since Bush? Or has this change just occurred since Trump?

Just curious...

Since Kennedy , I thought I clarified that in my post.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow
That doesn't change the fact that those two terms say the same thing. Neither says the desires of the people have to meet a minimal standard.

If people want to vote for someone based on their favorite candy bar then that is their right.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Great post well summed up , Demagoguery indeed.

Somebody, a demagogue, mentioned China....someone is repeating China????

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Lumenari

The Eye of (Monetary) Mordor has now wheeled around to the last bastion of massive wealth yet unmined and pillaged. The Middle Class.

They're not creating a class war with the elites, just between the middle class. They're creating anarchy and chaos in the middle class. They're going to make you hate your next door neighbor so badly you won't even care when they raid your 401k, your retirement, your investments, and tax you into oblivion.

This is their strategy. Destabilize all of middle class society to the point where reality doesn't exist anymore. Divide and conquer.

Which ironically is why Progressives desperately want America to be a Democracy.

That form of government where the ruling class (.01%) allows 51% of the country to vote to take away what the other 49% has.

With the ruling class being quite exempt from that, of course.

Which is where we are headed.

And it will end up working exactly like a true Democracy has always ended, historically...

Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
John Adams

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

We're living under a soft despotism now.

Read Alexis de Tocqueville.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: asabuvsobelow
That doesn't change the fact that those two terms say the same thing. Neither says the desires of the people have to meet a minimal standard.

If people want to vote for someone based on their favorite candy bar then that is their right.

Indeed , and that is why the USA is a demagogue .

People should vote out of Rationality and Logic , not desire and emotion.

It is our right to vote yes , but it is also our right to act like adults and choose leaders not because we like them personally but because we truly believe they will make the best Leaders.

The question should be will this Elected official do what is best for us even though it may hurt our feelings or make us uncomfortable , will they be able to make the hard choices for us ?

Instead the question people ask is , What free stuff will they give us ? Are they nice ? Are they good looking ? Are they Black , White , Hispanic or Asian ? Are they Male or Female ? Are they Gay or Straight ? What is there religion do they believe in Santa Clause ? Can they make a 3 pointer in basketball ? Did they have a Television Show ? These are all the things a moron cares about and that is because none of these things matter at all when it comes to someone's ability to Govern.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
Indeed , and that is why the USA is a demagogue.

People should vote out of Rationality and Logic , not desire and emotion.

But, it has always been a demagogue, regardless of why the people voted for one person or another, it has always been a "political activity or practices that seek support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people".

Your problem isn't with it being a demagogue but with people basing their votes on things you don't agree with.

The only way to stop that is to remove the right to vote and I doubt anyone wants that.

Governments only exist if people believe in an obey them.
Don't clap for Tinkerbell if she's a thieving, lying, whore.

originally posted by: Homefree
Governments only exist if people believe in an obey them.
Don't clap for Tinkerbell if she's a thieving, lying, whore.

Governments exist to Protect there people, not enslave there people.

Governments should fear and obey there people not the other way around mate.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow


It seems now that whole World is run by single global entity, and democracy is just a cover they would actually prefer more....but since things started to escalate too much...they had to remind us who`s the boss and show that they can end the democracy anytime they decide to do so.

2020 - The Year Illuminati Cancelled Humanity

So as to the OP...i dont know did US or any country really have democracy in the first place ...i am afraid it was just some kind of illusion created to fool people.


"true technique will know how to maintain the illusion of liberty,choise, and individuality:but these will have been carefully calculated so that they will be integrated in the mathematical reality merely as appearances"

Jacques ellul