NEWS: Doctors Remove Terry Schiavo's Feeding Tube

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
the main problem i have with this is that
1. scientists don't know enough about the brain to say that she has no recognition or cognition...
so to me that is murder... and the husband is guilty of it...

Hi,
Sorry that I couldn't quote all of your post, it makes a lot of sense.

First off, how many of you have watched a person die of starvation? I have.

Our grandmother really was in a coma-type situation and the family opted to let her die with morphine. She was grandmother by marriage. But guess what, that morphine doesn't kill the pain in this situation. Even though she was in a bad shape from a surgery gone bad, wound opening up and the doctor royally messed her up (later was fired), helping her die in this manner was horrible.

I, and along with other family members, just watched her die. To this day, I'll never forget it, and I would never opt for this ever again.

First, after a day or two, she started having small seizures. Even though she was out of it, so to speak, she was in pain. Then some more morphine, still more seizures until near the end of it all, it was horrible seizures, just terrible ones with her shaking all over, lips totally dry, constanly licking her poor lips and even though we put the balm on them, they were still bone dry. Didn't matter the amount of morphine, ever, she was in horrible pain and YOU COULD TELL! They constantly gave her morphine, but it was no help. Still screaming in agony.

She would scream, etc., then have grand-mal seizures. We each took a night and stayed with her. I spent one night and it about killed me to watch her go like this. I wanted to just give her some water because she constantly licked her lips. You could tell it was agony for her. The last seizure that she had, the family wasn't there, but she had blood dripping out of her nose. I suppose her blood vessels in her brain ruptured.

Strange thing is, the doctor was all for it, said that it was the humane thing to do and wasn't painful. And I'll never forget it, and say it's not the humane thing to do..........ever! It's totally horrible.

Also, think about this, this girl has a chance to improve. I have an a first cousin that has died several times now in various surgeries. It has slowed her brain. The last time they thought she wouldn't make it, but guess what, her husband proved them wrong. He took total care of her, helping her exercise slowly back to health, and now she's doing fine. At first and for a long time, she couldn't breathe very good and was slow. Sometimes her brain is a little slow, but altogether, she's doing well. She now walks with her husband about two miles per day.

Tiza

One more thing that I want to add is this, it's a total shame in this country with so many on the husband's side of this. He's a jerk, a total jerk! His whole thing is only about himself. He shows the selfishness that is in lots of Americans right now. It's all about him.

Number one, whenever two people are married, they are supposed to stay with each other and care for each other in health and sickness. Well, it's obvious that he doesn't think very much of the covenant of marriage and the marriage covenant is a serious covenant agreement, between the people who are married and between Yahweh.

You know what happens, what goes around comes around. We reap what we sow. So I hope that this doesn't come back on him in a big way and he gets to see what it's like to be seriously ill and nobody's there for him.

Tiza

why don't they deny her air and "allow" her to die in five minutes, instead of what could take five WEEKS as well as reduce her to a macabre, living skeleton?

i am disturbed by the prospect of a 70-80 pound terri schiavo, moaning and writhing in her bed being ignored by these same SCUM OF THE EARTH who pulled out the feed tube.....as they pretend it's not an aware human being suffering a slow death. three points to ponder:

we would not be considered humane if terri were a dog in the same condition, if we starved her to death

terri, who we are told is unaware of pain, had to have anasthesia when getting dental work done not long ago

terri, if she somehow gained full consciousness and blurted out that she wanted to die and was going to starve herself, would be force fed and put on a suicide watch to keep her alive

maybe there is something about seeing people starve that we have a fascination with....hence, the millions of starving people worldwide that we simply shrug off as a quirk of fate.






[edit on 18-3-2005 by victor was right]

She breathes on her own. You mean the pillow?


Thats brutal too.

"terri, if she somehow gained full consciousness and blurted out that she wanted to die and was going to starve herself, would be force fed and put on a suicide watch to keep her alive "

You know, thats ironic, but true.

[edit on 18-3-2005 by dgtempe]

I found this Congress intervention troubling.

Firstly, it seems to directly interfere in a judicial matter, this is very wrong.

Secondly, Haven't opinion polls shown that most Americans support the Husband on this issue? Why is it that a minority of extreme-religious groups are allowed to hold congress in hostage?

Originally posted by rapier28
I found this Congress intervention troubling.

Firstly, it seems to directly interfere in a judicial matter, this is very wrong.

Secondly, Haven't opinion polls shown that most Americans support the Husband on this issue? Why is it that a minority of extreme-religious groups are allowed to hold congress in hostage?

The simple answer, assuming politics works the way we were brought up to believe, is because those people who get upset write exponentially more letters than those people who make it their business to mind their own business.

dgtempe
You made an excellent point. A living will is legal, but suicide is not.

Can I get a hypocrisy judgement on that? What's that, about a 5.6 on a 10 point scale?

Originally posted by Slayer
the woman said that she would rather die than live the life of a vegatable, and her husband is carrying out her wishes. Her brain was damaged beyond repair,

1. The HUSBAND claims that is what Terri said. The HUSBAND ... who
is suspected of abuse of Terri and whom Terri told people that she
wanted to divorce shortly before her so-called 'collapse'. The abuse
suspicion is very strong. Terri had many bruises on her body before
the 'collapse' and when she collapsed the doctors said that through
xray they say multiple bone tramas - lots of fractures and breaks that
were new or just healing. She had never been in any accidents that
her mother was aware of. That leaves HUBBY-DEAREST to answer as
to why his bruised wife had multiple bone fractures ... of course he
never has.

2. Her brain was damaged beyond repair? Really? How do you know?
Even Sen. Frist, who is a medical doctor, said on the Senate floor that
Terri has never even had a CAT scan or MRI done on her brain. There
has been no investigation AT ALL to see IF or how much brain damage
there may be.

Terri's exit strategy ... documents from the hospice. How they are
going to mask the pending death signs so it looks like she's just
'slipping away' when in fact she is in pain.

thrownback.blogspot.com...

Fr. Rob Johanson
March 18, 2005
excerpt -

The document I reproduce below was prepared by the hospice at which
she resides, by their own doctors and nurses. It was produced in
anticipation of the first time Terri's feeding tube was removed, in 2001.
Anyone reading it with a rudmimentary knowledge of medicine will
recognize that in Terri's case, and the cases of many others in similar
situations, the so-called "treatment" that is given is in fact not treatment
at all. It is a regimen of medication intended to perpetrate an illusion: the
illusion that someone is peacefully "slipping away", when in fact they are
dying in a painful and brutal way.

The document was given a name by those who wrote it. They called it
Terri's "Exit Protocol".

Terri's "Exit Protocol" Discovered In Hospice Documents

Cheryl Ford, RN, a nurse from Tampa who has been very active in the
efforts to save Terri's life, recently undertook, on behalf of the Schindlers,
a review of medical records from when Terri was first admitted to
Woodside Hospice. Woodside Hospice is run by Hospice of the Florida
Suncoast. It is of interest to note that Michael Schiavo's attorney, George
Felos, was a member of the Board of Directors of Hospice of the Florida
Suncoast until the Terri Schiavo case began to attract widespread public
attention a few years ago.

In her research, Ms. Ford found a document titled "Exit Protocol" in Terri's
file. The document is on Hospice of the Florida Suncoast "Patient Care
Notes" stationery, and is dated April 19, 2001. This document lays out, in
clinical detail, the procedures to be followed in bringing about Terri's death
by starvation and dehydration.

I reproduce here, in entirety and verbatim, the contents of this document.
Go here to see the rest and learn what it means to be starved to death -
thrownback.blogspot.com...


[edit on 3/19/2005 by FlyersFan]

Just wanted to add a late breaking item. This is highly suspect but as worthy of discussion as the other points until its debunked. Several witnesses said that when Terri's feeding tube was removed she became hysterical and according to them tried to say she didn't want to die. Now how they know thats what she was trying to say I don't know. However, if the reaction itself is true it means that a. she is aware of her surroundings enough to realize what was going on, or b. she can feel stimulus and was in pain when the tube was removed and will therefore feel pain as she slowly dies of starvation. Just something to think about.

YES ... I saw that on TV too. I have posted and reposted information
about a woman who was in a worse state than Terri and whom the
courts tried to starve. That woman heard, understood and felt
EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING!! Thankfully, the woman was saved and
given the proper medical care and she's fine now.

Terri responds to voices, responds to her mother, responded
to the priest (until her husband refused to allow any more
visits by him). She isn't just laying there people ... she is
RESPONSIVE!! She isn't brain dead folks ... not at all!!

The woman on tv said that when she went to visit Terri and she
talked to her about everyone outside praying for her to live ...
she said to her 'Terri tell them you want to live' ... Terri responded
with a LOUD yell and she moved her arms around.

My God .. give this woman back her food, give her the brain scan
that has been denied her by her 'husband', give her medical care that
has been denied her by her husband, give her physical therapy that
has been denied her by her husband.

Do you see the pattern ... BY HER HUSBAND. She was an abused
wife who wanted a divorce. She 'collapsed' under mysterious
conditions. He has fought to kill her off (to keep her quiet??).
This is a conspiracy board ... look at the conspiracy here folks ...
it's screaming at everyone. Give this woman a chance. She knows
what's going on and she doesn't want him to get away with it. (IMHO)

While I do support the "Right to Die", in this case Terri didn't put it in writing and as you said she IS aware. I saw the video and my jaw dropped. She may not be able to be normal again but starving her to death is just not humane ...

Personally if I was in her situation I would want to die, but not that way. Give me an overdose of Morphine or something like that, starving to death has to be one of the most horrible ways to die especially if you're aware during the whole thing. It's not like she is in a coma or anything and treatments could become available, even though its not that likely. This tug of war really has to stop, but it wont and she will continue to be a pawn in this "game" .....

FLYERS FAN

It sounds like you may have heard that woman on Coast to coast? I did too. If you also listened last night, George gave an account of Terrys reaction when they told her they were taking her feeding tube away. The account was that when they told her, Terry "shieked" and "moaned" and said "Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww".

Make of that what you will. Sad.

This is a sad case. The Supreme Court has refused to intervene, and unless the U.S. Attorney acts on the Congressional subpoenas or Congress passes a law soon, she will die a horrible death. This is another step down the road of devaluing human life, and towards eugenics and court ordered euthanasia for undesirables. If I was a disabled person I'd be very worried.

www.rense.com...

For what its worth, please see this.

Originally posted by dgtempe
www.rense.com...

For what its worth, please see this.

I saw that on FOX News, it's really disgusting. How can anyone say that someone who can even say anything is brain dead? This is nothing more than the state sanctioning a cold-blooded murder of someone who has committed no crime and has had no due process.

This is a topic that is so horrifying that I have tried to stay away from it BUT walking away from this is just leaving it to others to decide. I have a few questions.

1) If this were your mother, sister, wife, daughter would you allow someone to starve her to death?
2) If her husband was so anxious to do the right thing wouldn't he be pleading for a Kervorkian type of solution- which does not include starving the terminally ill to death by the way?
3) As he is anxious to leave this behind him why not just walk away? He has a "wife" already and children. Forget terry exists and move on, the woman he is with obviously wouldn't mind she is already shacked up with him.; and
4) If we deprive an animal of food and water because we no longer wanted it would that be ok?

In fact I believe that every person who feels that terry should be saved should sign a petition and send it to the President. How about that ATS? How about some real action to the wrongs in the world. and yes all those that feel that terry should die by starvation you can add your signature to another petition!!!




[edit on 19-3-2005 by Mynaeris]

Americans concerned about this case should contact their representatives and senators.

A tool to send e-mails regarding saving Terri can be found here: capwiz.com....

djohnsto: Thanks for that link - but I also want people not to polarise around party positions. This is not a Republican versus Democrat issue - its about a woman and the Democrats in Florida are also standing up and being counted.

"We don't know if Terri can take nutrition by mouth. Judge Greer, of the Pinellas County Circuit Court, has prohibited swallow tests, and attempts to feed Terri by spoon have been forbidden by her guardian, Michael Schiavo, as well as Judge Greer.

Terri's gastric tube is to become their means of delivering death to her. Not as a compassionate conveyance of twilight-inducing lethal painkillers, such as might be done for terminally ill patients in hospice care, but rather as a means to terminate her life-sustaining fluid. This cessation of fluid will, over time, cause Terri's organs to slowly shut down as they feed upon her existing tissue and muscle and blood and bile.

We offer convicted criminals a last meal and humane injection.

We offer stray, unwanted animals an expedient and painless exit."

www.floridadfla.org...

Democrats contact your representive and demand action also. Nobody should have to die like this. The quality of life argument is spurious... I am sure Christopher Reeve would not have wanted to die through starvation. I am sure you could point out the differences between the two cases, but where do we draw the line of what is quality of life? Is it this woman with brain activity? Is it the child with Downes syndrome? Is it the quadriplegic? Is it African mother feeding her children from the garbage can?

Democrats, Republicans, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindu, Atheists, Buddhists this woman needs your humanity not your religious or political beliefs.

www.jewsforlife.org...




[edit on 19-3-2005 by Mynaeris]

Originally posted by dgtempe
www.rense.com...

For what its worth, please see this.

Barbara Weller, one of the attorneys for Terri's parents Bob and Mary Schindler, told reporters about her visit with Terri on Friday.

"Terri, if you would just say, 'I want to live,' all of this will be over," she told the disabled woman.

Weller said Terri desperately tried to repeat Weller's words.

"'I waaaaannt ...,' Schiavo allegedly said. Weller described it as a prolonged yell that was loud enough that police stationed nearby entered the hospice room.

"She just started yelling, 'I waaaannt, I waaaannt,'" Weller explained.

Sounds like it was a ploy on the lawyers part to make it look that way if you ask me. Hell they have tried every trick in the book, but that is just their version. What did the nurses and doctors there have to say?

shots did you see the video of her on TV? It looked like she was aware, and happy at that moment. Not coherent or anything(you could not understand her no capacity to speak) but she looked aware.

March 19 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Congress said it has agreed on legislation that could save the life of Terri Schiavo, a brain- damaged Florida woman whose feeding tube was removed yesterday.

Lawmakers, who will meet tomorrow, said they have bipartisan legislation that would move the matter into the federal courts from state court in Florida, allowing for further legal challenges.

``We think we have found a solution,'' said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, a Republican, today. ``It is very similar to the bill passed in the Senate Thursday, with some modifications.''

President George W. Bush is ``supportive of efforts of congressional leaders,'' said Jeanie Mamo, a White House spokeswoman. ``He remains in close contact with Congress, and the president is being kept apprised.

Source: Bloomberg

Hopefully President Bush will have a passed bill on his desk by Monday morning and it will hit the Federal courts immediately and the tube will be ordered to be replaced.