Taiwan was DUTCH before it was ever Chinese-ruled

originally posted by: pheonix358
Just because a news paper publishes something does not make it true.

The Dutch? LMAO.

This piece just completely ignores the Chinese trading fleets that sailed the oceans in history.

It is just a modern hit piece of supposed journalism.

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Meanwhile you know all those pyramids in China, yes the ones the Commies wanted to farm on top of to hide from westerners including one over a thousand feet tall (Before erosion and just under that after all these millennia) that had a large crystal capstone as recently as the 1940's when it was seen by a US pilot but had been reported several times in history, the locals in those region's claimed they had been built by the SUN GODS who were tall had hair like the sun (Blond) and eyes like the Sky (blue), also there are five thousand year old wooden fork's for eating that have been found in China, the HAN whom we today call Chinese only INHERITED that land probably by Conquest and mass murder of the other peoples that once lived there, they came from the Jungles were they had once been tribal sorry to burst your bubble and all the politically correct bull crap that is trying to rewrite the true history into something more palatable to people not of European or OTHER Caucasoid descent.

Also India probably discovered China long before the HAN claimed it, so is China really THERE'S?.

Stop spouting pro HAN nonsense we know about the Grand Fleet but that was not until the fourteen hundreds, Qin Conquered Seven Kingdom's, butchered there historians and scholars and rewrote history until that time the HAN were a marginal people and not in control of China, they just had one lucky break and it cost the lives of millions again and again and again over two and half millennium of bloodshed, that said the HAN are not actually ALL HAN, some of them are other tribes that have taken to calling themselves Han over the ages and many of those face racism within China itself when they go to other regions were TRUE Han are the majority, Han are exceptionally racist and believe themselves superior to all other races of man which is another kind of bull that we in the west chose to stamp out because it breeds inhumanity toward our fellow man.

Oh and with the exception of Qin's own tomb (and a few smaller pyramid's) that cost the lives of millions to build just like his prison wall did (it was to mark the boundary and keep the people IN since most of them were conquered people) the later Chinese only built small pyramid tomb's relative to the far more ancient ones like the great white pyramid, the White pyramid has a Chinese General buried in it's side but his Tomb was DUG out of the side of the already existing ancient structure to put him into it and it was NEVER meant for him or built by him.

IF there were European relatives in ancient China do I OWN IT?.

It Belongs to the people that live there now but only so long as they live there, other than that the land was there before them and it will be there long after they are gone.


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Thinking of Cape Town, (once the only route and refreshment station between the West and East).

Probably used since the time of Phoenicians (some archeological evidence) and the ancient Indians, Chinese and Arabs.

The Portuguese were chased away from the Cape by the local Khoisan tribes, and the original European name for Taiwan was "Formosa", meaning "the beautiful island".

Nevertheless the first colony was established by the Dutch East India Company, actually a private globalist enterprise.

British colonialist aspirations and that company tolerated each other for a while, until Napoleon conquered the Dutch, and the Cape was run by the Batavian Republic (a French vassal state).
This the British would not tolerate (we can't have the French owning a major sea-route), so we had the Battle of Blaawberg in Cape Town (1806), which saw the Cape Colony falling into British hands.
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As for Taiwan, they still have aboriginal tribes related to the Polynesians owning considerable reservations, especially in the Western part of the island.

originally posted by: BlackOops
DNA seems to point that the Taiwanese aborigines are the root for many island nations and not from China a reply to: schuyler

So what? What does the word "indigenous" mean? DNA also shows EVERYONE originated in Africa. Do you have a particular year where you want to make a cut off? Should California not be considered part of the USA because Europeans took over from the indigenous people settled there?

a reply to: schuyler

Do you have a particular year where you want to make a cut off?

Funny enough, I've always said that about the Amish.......

Strange however, wherever the Dutch East India and their colonies went (generally not to the Americas - their turf was from Cape Town to the East) they practiced widespread concubinage between "Christian" men and local women (ranging from officials and soldiers, to indentured labor).

Perhaps only the Anglo-Indians come close as a mixed creole population in the East.

Yet only in South Africa did the Dutch leave a widespread language like Afrikaans (mainly Dutch with some other Germanic, Indonesian and Khoisan influence).

a reply to: halfoldman
Surely the difference is that Cape Town attracted Dutch farmers. More permanent than officials and traders, more population growth.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Indeed, first called "free-burghers" or "vry-burghers".

It was a very strange process being founded by a private company, rather than a kingdom or country.

They weren't even sure if they were staying or going at first.
And the nomadic Khoisan didn't mobilize because the intruders said they will leave again soon.

But after the first local generation you got people who said in Dutch "Ek is 'n Afrikaaner" (I am an "Afrikaner").
They had no plans to leave ever again, but initially it wasn't planned that way.

As someone currently living in Taiwan, I can tell you that the majority of Taiwanese people identify as "Taiwanese" and do not want to be unified with the People's Republic of China. If they knew China wouldn't attack, they would have declared independence already.
BTW - the DNA argument is just downright silly. There is no such race as "Chinese" and although Taiwanese and Chinese share a lot of cultural heritage, using that as a basis for a right of claim would be like Boris Johnson laying claim to the United States.

Tell that to the Native Americans (who are not "native." They just got to North America a few thousand years before the Europeans. How many thousand is disputed, but it hardly matters.) The plain fact of the matter is that 1.4 BILLION Chinese think Taiwan is China's. The fact that 24 million people dispute that doesn't matter. If the United States hadn't drawn a line down the Formosa Strait, China would rule Taiwan today just like Argentina would rule the Falkland Islands. And consider the # storm in the Middle East. Iraq, just as one example, exists because the British drew an arbitrary set of lines that did not distinguish between Arab and Kurd. How about the Alsace-Lorraine area? Is it German or is it French? It depends on who won the last war, which is historically always the case. To claim that "Formosa isn't really Chinese" because of some set of "facts" you decide to hang your hat on doesn't mean squat past your own prejudices.

a reply to: schuyler
Thanks for mentioning the Alsace-Lorraine region in modern Germany.
Never mind the Saarland, which is exactly where my ancestors came from (don't tell anyone, but I'm actually half French).

a reply to: Never Despise

You know the question we should be asking...

Is any country in the world going to fight China for Taiwan?

It doesn't even seem like Taiwan is going to fight for Taiwan..

China is Ass Hoe.

Buncha communistic denisovans.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
Is any country in the world going to fight China for Taiwan?.

Their army has to cross the strait first.
All that is necessary is to stop them crossing.
At the moment, there is one country with sufficient navy power and will to sink them on the way.
They must wait for that situation to change.

a reply to: DISRAELI

If it ever comes to that I'm afraid the US wouldn't make it in time, not without tactical warheads. It's been a while but I remember up to a fortnight to reach Taiwan depending on distance.

It all depends on how far those carrier fleets are. Taiwan would literally have to hold out for reinforcements. If it was to go down today China would most likely win the battle but lose the war, they'd go all in and hope for a quick surrender.

As for anyone fighting for Taiwan? Their military train and prepare for the type of scenario I painted. They know full well the likelihood of defeat. That's what allies are for and I doubt anyone would stand idle whilst thousands of civilians are dying by the hour.

This is a case where US supremacy acts as a guarantee against aggression but China is catching up fast on capabilities. I'm no expert but I think the whole routine will come to head in my lifetime. With an invasion or a new nuclear arms race. Because let's face it China isn't changing any time soon.

a reply to: RAY1990
An invasion force has to be assembled first. Possibly preparations would be obvious enough to allow time to move things closer to the scene?
Another possible outcome is that America gets really, really distracted domestically, and defending Taiwan comes down the priority list, in which case China could decide to risk it.

(In my interprretation of Revelation ch6, "war" follows "plague". This could be how it works.)

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: DISRAELI

It all depends on how far those carrier fleets are.

There is always one Carrier Strike Group based in Japan. When "tensions are high" there are up to three Carrier Strike Groups sufficiently close in the area.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Gothmog
If they migrated from the Chinese mainland, it does not follow that they are related to modern Chinese. They could, for example, have been "pushed out" by people migrating or expanding from the interior. The English are not entirely descended from the French. There were Indian tribes on the nineteenth century American plains whose ancestors lived in New England, but that did not make them Yankees.

Yet , that still means they have an origin NOT on the island.
And , they didn't "spring from the ground"

BTW , that also makes them "Not Dutch"

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: M5xaz

From a European point of view? There was an entire society living there, with towns, villages, and pottery, evidence of armies and large settlements.

The Dutch just colonized it, and did what colonialists do, exploit the hell out of everything.

The written evidence and the historical evidence point to Formosa being largely very low population at best.

You are also ignoring the Japanese connection/records from the 19th century to 1945.


This is not a European thing.
It's a FACT thing

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: M5xaz

From a European point of view? There was an entire society living there, with towns, villages, and pottery, evidence of armies and large settlements.

The Dutch just colonized it, and did what colonialists do, exploit the hell out of everything.

The written evidence and the historical evidence point to Formosa being largely very low population at best.

You are also ignoring the Japanese connection/records from the 19th century to 1945.


This is not a European thing. It's a FACT thing

That's nice. How is it relevant to the issue at hand.