20 years in Afghanistan Who's fault was it?

Central intelligence first infiltrated Afghan rebel groups in 1973
more than 5 years before the Soviet Invasion, yet that information
is carefully left out of nearly every news report and documentary on
the subject. This report on the Afghan conflict from 1973 to 2020
views the actions of four intel agencies from Britian's Mi6
to Iran's SAVAK. Over the past year or two very heavy revisions about the Afghan
conflicts from former Central Intelligence agents, directors and assets ,ect.
From the origins of the opiod crisis to western backed terrorists/rebels
rewarded for services rendered.

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Trained for 50 years Documentary 2020---
Since it in began training rebel fighters in Afghanistan in 1973,
Central Intelligence has been heavily involved in a number of illicit affairs.
From the the overthrow of elected leaders, to the protection of drug smugglers,
helping indirectly to create the opiod epidemic that rages nearly 50 years later.
In 2019, the United States made an open deal with the Taliban,
who were designated as a terrorist group decades ago.

A comfortable citizenry that has grown fat and lazy with no morals.

Several world powers are responsible. It's like training a rabid dog and then be surprised when it bites you in the ass.

I spent a few years over there.
Total #hole.
Aquateam.

I must admit I respect their tenacity.

It's a very interesting history, thanks OP.

Maybe once we stop voting in politicians that support endless wars we can finally end the cycle. Every politician who still supports staying in iraq and Afghanistan should be voted out.

a reply to: RimiroAnlyss

Afghanistan's obviously.

I mean how dare they try and take over the world!

Whose fault is it?

Stupid ass Americans that get convinced by shallow arguments like "it's premature to exit now!" After 20 years of war.

a reply to: RimiroAnlyss

Everyone has tried to conquer it at some point or so it seam's, the weakest most beaten tribe used to be one descended from Mongol Warriors whom also stormed through there under old Genghis (and never really conquered it) and left some of there people living there, we British tried - to bring Civilization to the heathen Barbarians ha? - and while it is true to say we did not bring the then considerable might of the British Empire to bear on the matter the small venture was an utter disaster with supposed Afghan allies switching sides and ambushing our people as they retreated in a bloody massacre in which men, woman and children were butchered - or perhaps enslaved?.

Nasty warriors whom have been fighting one another for at least the last 1200 or so years and were a tough bunch even before that, they are fickle allies at best and will happily betray if it is in there interests to do so.

Yet for all of that Afghanistan is one of the historically most important regions in the world, great empires and come and gone and entire chapters of human civilization, city's, farm's, kingdom's and empires have dwelt there.

Bactria or the Oxus Civilization being a noteworthy one.

Western civilization probably owes as much to these ancient civilizations most people have not heard of as it does to the Greek's or even the Roman's though the people whom live there today are not quite the same as those old cultured and culturally rich peoples of yesterday, there genetic legacy does however live on among them if watered down by successive invaders over the ages.

Sadly these days Afghanistan is home to Islamic inbred Clansmen much like Northern Pakistan is, in fact they are the same people to a great degree.
Morally they are let's just say flexible and while they are religious nutters following that particular cult they are also very fond of Dancing Boy's, young boy's trained to dance like girls, belly dancers etc whom they have sex with, not nice but it is there way and one reason total warfare should never have been banned, it would be a lovely nice quite place today full of western farm's had we actually gone medieval on there arses.

But why are the US and other NATO Element's really there?, not the same reason as the Russians once were which was to incorporate it into the soviet union, no we were not there because of the twin towers either though that was a most convenient excuse, in fact it was all about a pipeline that was planned by some oil conglomerate whom wanted to pump oil from Azerbaijan or Uzbekistan or somewhere like that which was going to be lain right through Helmand Province and into Western CHINA were it would have made a packet for those oil guy's, that right all those lads that died over there laid down there lives because back room deal's and bent politicians wanted to cash in on an oil pipeline that in the end was never built and if it had been would have only made China now a thorn in our side even stronger.

It's not over yet though, once we withdraw guess whom will most likely move in, China and why, Oil Pipeline (they won't be as nice as our soldiers were, no more trying to win hearts and minds the Afghan's will probably end up in Organ Bank Re-education centres and Sterilized out of existence).

So is it really wise to withdraw? for short term political gain's? at the expense of making a potential far worse and GENUINE threat to world peace even more powerful.

wow you said a lot .
is it wise ? Well if we stayed a 1000 years would it change ? The answer is NO .
as for China to late we helped Build them up now its only a matter of time .

one thing for sure we cant just go in and take over china .

a reply to: midnightstar

I am afraid you are correct, staying (until that nation becomes stable) would cost more lives but the alternative is a more unstable and possibly far more dangerous world that may itself end up costed far more lives than staying would, everything is a balance and a gamble but it is not for the likes of us to decide so your politicians have to decide when the best time to get out of Dodge as you say over there is, it may be now but something tells me it is not the right time but of course I am not a military or economic strategist so?.

a reply to: RimiroAnlyss

reports about the taliban and others have been available for a very long time, from Sept 11, 2003. these go back to 1995


this link has 32 PDF's, there are others in the archives

Washington, D.C., September 11, 2003 - Marking the second anniversary of the terrorist attacks of 9/11, the National Security Archive at George Washington University today posted on the Web a new collection of recently declassified U.S. documents covering the controversial rise to power of Osama bin Laden's former hosts in Afghanistan, the Taliban. This murky history has particular relevance today, as the Taliban fighters regroup in Afghanistan, and key Taliban leaders remain at large.

Volume VII: The Taliban File

and this one from Nov 11, 2009, lots of detail on the taliban, 17 pdf's.

In addition to highly informative biographical materials, the declassified documents in this briefing book contain fascinating new details about Taliban structure, decision-making and evolving ideology. The December 1998 Embassy cable noted above describes how Mullah "Omar – perhaps under the influence of bin Ladin and other extremists – may have become more sympathetic to pan-Islamist thinking. For example, he was quoted at least twice in 1998 as criticizing the U.S. presence in the Gulf, which is not usually a great concern of Afghans."
The Taliban Biography The Structure and Leadership of the Taliban 1996-2002

Adan Curtis did the great documentary 'Bitter Lake' - it all starts in 1954 with failed US attempted to build the world's first scientific megacity in Kabul Afghanistan, the project failed causing mass famine, bankrupting the country and only opium popies could grow in the poluted salty farmlands.

Before this the area was called 'little america' as it was quite Americanised with lots of Americans living there and little/no local hostilities.

Political Islam also arose around the same time after Egytian Sayid Qutb. This became Wahabism which Saudi Arabia, Bin Laden and Al Queda follow. When Reagen struck deals for Saudi Oil he agreed to their conditions that the US must not interfere with their warped, violent interpretation of Islam anf world Jihad.

One of the best journalists and documentaries in the workd. He verges on conspiracy but is a multi-awatf winning BBC journalist/documentary.

trailer


full thing


During the Afghan war the CIA intel and approach was right on the nail, but the Pentagon overulled them and hired warlords who fought alongside Bin Laden against the Soviets to be in charge of capturing him. Obviously they took the US money and weapons and made no attempt to find him.

The country is naturally imposible to control due to the culture and terran. Every empire has failed and started crumbling in war with Afghanistan.

Adam Curtis' BBC blog featuring lots on Afghan history.

It was absolutly a winnable fight, but the leadership and the politicians didnt want to actually wage war they preferred to pretend fight so they could claim gains against terrorisim.

Now we just need to get out, enough blood has been shed and lived broken.

its an old phrase but apt to the siutation sh!t or get off the pot, we havent done it so get off and let them try to find a path forward.

I think the billions of dollars under the ground, the sheer mineral wealth is pretty important as well, wealthiest country in the world, all in the ground