AZ GOP won lawsuit and found 2% of duplicate ballots were changed from Trump to Biden

originally posted by: litterbaux
a reply to: PraetorianAZ

If we make this simple and it has to be simple because I'm not great at math. 100 votes lets just split that down the middle. 50 for Biden and 50 for Trump. 2 votes switched in the process so now Biden gets 52 and Trump gets 48. Isn't that more like 7%?

I know it will never be as simple as 50 votes for each but just as an experiment (keep in mind I'm probably wrong, math isn't my strong point).

Thanks

In this case, they switched 1 from Trump to Biden which is a 2% swing, plus 1 Trump vote 'disappeared - a 1% swing.
Overall a 3% swing in favour of Biden from the sample - from cheating.

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation

A duplicate ballot is when something damaged the original ballot and they recreate it before counting it with a machine.

Biden is only in the lead by 10,000 votes, so even these small numbers could help to turn Arizona in favor of Trump, but just as important - it proves that there is election fraud. Thanks to the judge who had the guts to allow AZ GOP access.

-MM

AZ didn't check signatures either, so no real oversite and throw in actual cases of people manipulating votes that would not have happen if there were observers from both side verifying everything is correct, so what is the number 2, 20, 200 2000, 20,000? More? How many places didn't have the proper observers to where people could do what they wanted?

Why lie when it's so easy to discover the facts?

Voters have to sign the front of the envelope their ballot is in so election officials can check to make sure the ballot came from the correct voter.

A county recorder or another election official compares the signatures on the envelope with the voter's signature from their voter registration, according to a spokesperson from the secretary of state's office.

KNP X 12 Phoenix AZ

a reply to: Xtrozero

You are Exactly right! They should not be doing piecemeal audits like this. There is not enough time on the clock.

Take each ballot and verify that it is legal, using the overall parameters of what constitutes a legal ballot.

The State of Arizona has just allowed 2700 more ballots to be examined.

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But it looks like only for vote switching fraud.

Is there any verification by legitimate sources of the claims made in the OP's video?

I find zero evidence from AZ regarding this. Sources?

Nevermind, found it:

Ward is asking a Maricopa County Superior Court judge to declare President Donald Trump the rightful winner of Arizona's 11 electoral votes, though Biden defeated him by more than 10,000 votes.

Instead, Warner agreed to let Ward and Wilenchik's expert look at 100 of each type of disputed ballot.

"It's enough to let us know if there are red flags," Warner said.

Ward and Wilenchik will have until Thursday, when the judge scheduled a trial in their election complaint, to examine the ballots.

Perhaps we will see what the judge thinks of Ms. Ward's "evidence."

Source

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
AZ GOP filed a lawsuit and won. They were awarded court-ordered access to a mere 100 duplicate ballots. They found that 2% of these were votes taken from Trump and given to Biden. Real evidence of election fraud right there.

A duplicate ballot is when something damaged the original ballot and they recreate it before counting it with a machine.

Biden is only in the lead by 10,000 votes, so even these small numbers could help to turn Arizona in favor of Trump, but just as important - it proves that there is election fraud. Thanks to the judge who had the guts to allow AZ GOP access.

-MM

2% of 100 ballots. Now how many, exactly, would that be?

So, they only found two ballots and are suggesting, unevidenced, that they can apply the percentage to the rest of the votes.

Yeah ... about what one would think ...

"Petitioner has no facts to support her claims, which is why she is trying to use Rule 27 to uncover them," Desai wrote in a court filing of the procedural rule Ward cited in her request to examine ballots. "In other words, Petitioner knows of no errors, but she wants to inspect some random number of ballot affidavits to see if she can find some."

Desai wrote that Ward failed to show that even a single early ballot was wrongly accepted, let alone enough to justify overturning the votes of more than 3.42 million Arizonans. Similarly, Ward failed to demonstrate even a single error in the duplication of ballots

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Check back tomorrow after they report to the court.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

"Petitioner has no facts to support her claims, which is why she is trying to use Rule 27 to uncover them," Desai wrote in a court filing of the procedural rule Ward cited in her request to examine ballots. "In other words, Petitioner knows of no errors, but she wants to inspect some random number of ballot affidavits to see if she can find some."

Reminds me of that one time House Democrats impeached a president with out any evidence and demanded the Senate find the evidence to justify their impeachment.

Another Arizona lawsuit was just filed. This one from Sidney Powell and the Arizona GOP.

Demanding that governor Ducey de-certify the Arizona certification of Joe Biden's victory.

Source: twitter.com...

a reply to: peter_kandra

It would be like robbing a bank but saying it was okay because you replaced the cash with counterfeit bills so when they recount the money nothing would be missing...

a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

I only see one way...one.... To get the evidence people want and need for the courts to call for enhanced audits.

The next election needs under cover video. Everyone needs to be a spy.

People on the left want proof. I get it... How are you supposed to give it to them.

Hell even better!!!!
Every single person... Tabulator, auditor etc should have a body camera on when they walk in. One that law enforcement wears

If it is thought that they try to cover up their video camera and proved they did indeed commit fraud, it should be a felony on top of whatever fraud they are committing.

We see that people's testimony truly doesnt matter so what good does it do to have more auditors.

How about security cameras?


Edit... So i just checked and apparently security cameras are in some places.. Including AZ. But they quality and placement varies.

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
AZ GOP filed a lawsuit and won. They were awarded court-ordered access to a mere 100 duplicate ballots. They found that 2% of these were votes taken from Trump and given to Biden. Real evidence of election fraud right there.

A duplicate ballot is when something damaged the original ballot and they recreate it before counting it with a machine.

Biden is only in the lead by 10,000 votes, so even these small numbers could help to turn Arizona in favor of Trump, but just as important - it proves that there is election fraud. Thanks to the judge who had the guts to allow AZ GOP access.

-MM

Ok, once again, let us add a bit of legal and common sense clarity in here:

First, this is not evidence of "fraud." Fraud implies intent. There is no evidence of intent here.

Second, with a small sample size, the margin of error is also large. This means that we don't know whether the overall percentage of erroneous ballots is larger or smaller than 2%.

Third, we have seen no ruling from the judge indicating that anything claimed in this video is valid. It may be, but we don't yet know.

Fourth, we don't know if there were any errors that went the other way. The video conspicuously failed to mention that.

Fifth, we don't know how many duplicate ballots there are or whether this universe of ballots could even have any effect on the outcome.

Sixth and finally, of course the amount of affected ballots matter. You don't throw out an election result because you discover a mistake with one ballot. You don't throw out a result because you find a mistake with a couple ballots. You don't throw out the results unless your evidence calls into question the overall result. We have nothing to suggest that that is the case here.

a reply to: GraffikPleasure
Video evidence is not good enough, recorded audio is not good enough. Nothing will ever be good enough. I say we just booga booga boogaloo and get it over with.

a reply to: johnnylaw16

I think one thing most people here don't do is ask this to those that say there is no evidence. And i actually agree with that. Because there is nothing but heresay at this point....

What is sufficient "evidence" for you? Like how can it be shown to you that you'd say ok we should definitely investigate?

Because why investigate at that point right? We would already know there is fraud.

I'm trying to be genuine here...
What would change your mind because obviously sworn testimony means nothing to you. Which of im being honest wouldn't for me either.

I see it as, 2% to many!
You going to tell me, ... we can put a "patriot missile", from 500 miles at sea on rolling waves, into the "man dress" of a terrorist?
But can't count our votes or do, simple math?

cronkitenews.azpbs.org...

“This lawsuit is important because every vote counts and every voter counts and one voter that is disenfranchised because of a bad election administration issue is one too many,” said Maria Peralta, senior national coordinator with the Lawyers’ Committee.

This flap was in 2016 and the argument was that the potential for election mishandling cost Bernie Sanders the Democrat primary. I'm sort of wondering why the Bernie Bros from Arizona would directly expose themselves as hypocrites for not carrying the "one voter that is disenfranchised because of a bad election administration issue is one too many," sentiment forward into 2020 when it is obvious that yes, we've experienced disenfranchised voters... now suddenly it becomes purely a "but the numbers are low enough to be acceptable" thing.

The bull# of hypocritical hacks is acrid and pungent, singing the nostrils of Democracy and curling the hair of faith in this clearly untrustworthy US electoral system.

a reply to: burdman30ott6
Screw it. these lefties better remember this when the red wave happens in a few years, and all the republicans running get 12 billion votes each

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: burdman30ott6
Screw it. these lefties better remember this when the red wave happens in a few years, and all the republicans running get 12 billion votes each

No, I'm not willing to sit here for the next 2 years navel gazing while unqualified thieves and perverts illegally run the country.

a reply to: burdman30ott6
True true.

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: GraffikPleasure
I say we just booga booga boogaloo and get it over with.

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