IRAN - Nuclear Scientist (Nuclear Weapons Program) killed near Tehran

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: vonclod

It's what Israel does..not saying they did here, but there is precedent..pretty sure they offed Gerald Bull.

It's what Israel does because no one has the balls to bring them to task task for it , extrajudicial killings shouldn't be tolerated by Democracies it's rogue Nation territory.

Yes, remember the Saudi journalist..all good there! Saudi's are worse than Iran

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Trueman

He might have died from natural causes. . . .

Well, considering it happened in the Middle East, you could say that.

originally posted by: Trueman

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: carewemust
Former CIA director John Brennan is not happy about this. Not happy at all...

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Whose side is he on?

Probably the side of keeping the peace, not something some people understand.

That "side of keeping the peace" doesn't exist.

Sadly you could well be right.

This has the feel of Netenyahu trying to prepare the ground for how he wants the relationship between Iran and the Biden admin to proceed.

He hated Obamas nuclear deal,loved that Trump ditched it,and does NOT want the Biden admin to be on calm waters when Iran is concerned.

He would much prefer some kind of crisis was engineered in order to make Biden publically side with Israel,and be less likley to try to get the old Obama deal back again due to deteriorating relations.

Hell,If Benny plays his cards right this time,he could get his long dreamed of annihilation of Iran.

a reply to: Trueman

Are you saying that a government of an oppressed society, that is constantly calling for the death of America, that Biden wants to have a nuclear negotiation with, because it will fix everything by allowing an oppressive regime, that has always considered the U.S. the enemy, access to gaining nuclear capability is mad because their enemy killed their Military advisor?

You don't say.

originally posted by: Trueman

originally posted by: carewemust
Former CIA director John Brennan is not happy about this. Not happy at all...

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Whose side is he on?

Sounds like Brennan is the first one to panic. Wonder why.

Maybe a source of income is drying up?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Trueman

He might have died from natural causes. . . .

True, when you're shot multiple times you will die. Naturally.

Anyone could have put a hit on that guy, any country who does not trust Iran, which is many could have done this. Iran wants to control the whole Middle east, utilizing terrorists to accomplish it. The money from the bribes to stop nuclear development can pay a lot of terrorist groups. Anyone who trusts Iran's leader is nuts, anyone who supplies them with money is nutso.

originally posted by: vonclod

Sure, only U.S. sanctioned terrorism, or assasinations are acceptable.

Well yes in the US, and a few allies too.

a reply to: carewemust

Yeah, let him keep leading the nuclear program so Iran can continue spreading threats and terrorism all over the world.

I could take that post seriously - and even agree with it - if it weren't for the fact that Saudi Arabia is by far the single biggest exporter of Islamic terrorism and extremism in the whole world yet they get to act with total impunity.
Now why would that be?

If Iran are developing their own nuclear weapons then the world needs to act in a co-ordinated and unified manner.
Israel can not be allowed to act as judge, jury and executioner.

Now I know this is probably impossible, but just try and take a step back and look at things from Iran's point of view.
They think they are alone and surrounded by enemies all waiting and biding their time to attack them in one way or another.
What would you do?

I'm not excusing them - far from it - just trying to get a better understanding of their perspective.

a reply to: Trueman

I heard he died of the Wuhan.

There is no other way to die in 2020.

originally posted by: rickymouse
Anyone could have put a hit on that guy, any country who does not trust Iran, which is many could have done this. Iran wants to control the whole Middle east, utilizing terrorists to accomplish it. The money from the bribes to stop nuclear development can pay a lot of terrorist groups. Anyone who trusts Iran's leader is nuts, anyone who supplies them with money is nutso.

That includes Iran itself. They could be creating an excuse for their agenda.

a reply to: Trueman

Israel is desperate to avoid incoming talks between Iran and the US,so it does anything in its power to sabotage and get Iran involved in an unwanted conflict with them.This is not the first time they assassinated Iranian authorities and it will not be the last.Tensions are too high in Iran right now and this may get pretty ugly for the Zionist regime,but my guess is that the Iranians will wait until after the talks and then react accordingly and it is going to be severe.......By the way the guy was famous for finding a cure for covid 19 according to Iranian press.

I understand that for the greater good sometimes these sort of things have to be done.
I'm under absolutely no illusion about that.

I'm also very much aware that sanctions hit ordinary people far more than they do those at the top of any regime.
And that was as true with Iran as it has been with anyone else.

Iran feels threatened - ever increasingly so - to the point of paranoia and feel the whole world is conspiring against them.
That may or may not be true but the point is they are conviced of that.
Desperate times need desperate solutions.

Now don't get me wrong, I also fully understand Israel's concerns about Iran and its own paranoia about being surrounded by enemies.

It's also impossible to ignore the deep rooted animosity between Jews and Muslims and the equally long standing and passionate enmity between Sunni and Shia Muslims it is the proverbial ticking time bomb.

I'm sure no-one really need reminding of all that but I think it is worth mentioning yet again.

Added into all that is the desire to impose democracy on anyone and everyone - pretty ironic considering what is going on in the USA at present but that's a discussion for another time and place - and the drive to control the world's oil supply and banking systems.

All makes for a delicate situation and the slightest thing could tip any of the involved parties over the edge.

As with anywhere internal politics in Iran are actually very complicated and there are several factions vying for influence, power and control.
The most extreme of those camps are exceptionally dangerous and believe in actively manipulating world events towards real confrontation and literally bringing about an armageddon like scenario.

I'm not saying we should pander to Iran, far from it, but neither should we be complicit in other nations actions which only serve their own agenda's.

It all requires a level of diplomacy, tact and nuance that exceeds those shown by most so far.
A mixture of the big stick and the carrot.

I get the impression that we are getting away with it despite our actions and not because of them at present and that at some point things are really going to go tits up.

I'm not sure what we should be doing.....but I think there is an inevitability about the current policy that doesn't end well.

Let's hope I'm wrong.

a reply to: Freeborn

I think fear is what drives people to extreme mesures.Israel is afraid of being cornered by the Muslems,on the other hand Iran is afraid of external interference by the westerners and Israel.Saudis are afraid of losing their rusty kingdom ,and Americans are afraid of losing their influence in the region and eventually all over the world...A solution in my opinion is for all of them to sit,compromise and talk rational,because none can survive if the others interests are not met.

a reply to: shapur



Unfortuntely the likelihood that any of the parties could compromise even slightly on their own vested interests is so remote that any agreement is highly improbable.

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The carrier Nimitz is being deployed to the Persian Gulf

 Nov 28, 2020 @ 11:35



The decision to send the Nimitz aircraft carrier back to the Persian Gulf came before the assassination of the top Iranian nuclear scientist on Friday. Its mission is to secure the partial withdrawal of US troops from Iraq and Afghanistan up until Jan. 15.

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"US B-52 bombers ordered by the White House to the Persian Gulf land in Qatar over unspecified Iran threat
•B-52H Stratofortress bombers arrived at Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar on Thursday
•Others landed at an undisclosed location Wednesday from Louisiana
•The White House announced it would send the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier strike group and the bombers to counter Tehran on Sunday
•The US move comes in response to intelligence about a threat orchestrated by Iran, officials said, but details of the threat have not been disclosed
•Iran announced it would begin backing away from its nuclear deal with world powers a year after President Donald Trump pulled America from the accord"

a reply to: carewemust

The side that is terrified that this will dumped in Joe’s lap on day one to make policy decisions in the region going forward...

Kinda scares me thinking about it to be honest. You know Trump would tell Iran to STFU. Joe....might use nukes or hand out nukes, no one knows for sure.

originally posted by: Trueman

originally posted by: rickymouse
Anyone could have put a hit on that guy, any country who does not trust Iran, which is many could have done this. Iran wants to control the whole Middle east, utilizing terrorists to accomplish it. The money from the bribes to stop nuclear development can pay a lot of terrorist groups. Anyone who trusts Iran's leader is nuts, anyone who supplies them with money is nutso.

That includes Iran itself. They could be creating an excuse for their agenda.

Yes they can be doing that. Maybe this guy was against Iran making nuclear weapons because of their agreement with Europe, maybe the guy wanted to not make nukes to follow the rules of that nuclear agreement, he no longer wanted to cover things up. Actually, what you are saying makes the most sense of all.