Moscow Plans Expanded Social Credit-Style Tracking System

First China, now Russia, tomorrow your home? Already some voices in the tech world of Silicon Valley are saying the west risks "falling behind" if it "clings to outmoded ideas of privacy and liberty" and refuses to sign on to the total survalience state.

Another domino falls...

Moscow plans to track its residents’ “loyalty” with detailed digital profiles akin to China's social credit system, the Open Media news website reported Tuesday, citing public documents...

The digital profiles will now include information about Muscovites’ violations, fines, debts and participation in various events, according to the cited documentation. The data will be compared with information from public Wi-Fi networks and mobile phone operators...

...Moscow City Hall will be able to divide the data into groups that include “signs of loyalty,”...

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a reply to: Never Despise

I'd argue that Social Credits are one of the most dangerous ideas the world faces right now. Perhaps even more insidious than Terrorism. The Western World needs to realize what it is, and reject it loudly, and do it soon.

a reply to: Blaine91555

The Western World needs to realize what it is

Sadly too many have been brainwashed and will equate this sort of BS to receiving likes, possibly even stars and flags. And that's why it'll happen.

The system is largely policed by AI, so it is intimately tied up with the "AI race". Proponents in the west say China has already edged ahead in AI thanks to survalience, and that our tech will become obsolete without AI development through schemes like this.

a reply to: Never Despise

I'm going to play the devils advocate here and bring up part of the equation that humanity has never faced of lived with for more than two decades, we have almost unlimited access to the internet now, don't you think it's time to put some regulations beyond what we have now? This, social credit score from what I know, is more to control internet usage, much like how credit scores and criminal records worked in the past.
There is such thing as too much freedom.

a reply to: strongfp
You haven't dealt with a family internet usage before.

Do you know how quickly you cap your data with 3 gamers in the house, downloading new games every week?

Regardless, I think the credit score system was a bust, what makes me believe a social credit score won't be abused the way a credit score can quickly cripple an individual.

originally posted by: strongfp
There is such thing as too much freedom.

No there isn't, and you are now my enemy.

Oh, you are a good commie citizen, you can watch the youtube video you been saving up for the past 4 weeks! Good boy, good boy!

I also like this talk of "loyalty". Wouldn't that be nationalism? I thought that was bad, white supremacist Russians, sheesh.

Loyalty is a con term nowadays, can't talk to a living person to settle government disputes or aid, but they can talk down to citizens 24/7 thanks to technology.

a reply to: TKDRL

Yea there is.

We have laws and regulations for a reason. Otherwise, you'd be advocating for what? A lawless world? The internet has it's limits as well, and the further we dig deeper into it's technology, the more it plays a massive role in our everyday life.

a reply to: strongfp
It goes beyond controlling internet usage. True story: A street camera in China facially identifies you and taps into your phone, following which an AI bot crawls your daily routine of commuting and determines you are currently standing at a "suspicious distance" from your home and workplace. You are redflagged for human analysis. Later your cellphone picks up a conversation you have with somebody who has a Uigher accent; another red flag. Third and final straw is when an AI bot crawls your phone and determines from your cellphone calendar that you have been to fewer "volunteer" community meetings than 70% of the people in your building. With three flags in one week, your name is shifted to a watchlist and a cadre approaches you in the street, suggesting a "friendly cup of tea at the local party HQ" to get to know you better. This is your clue to slip him half your monthly rent to make the problem go away.

a reply to: Nivhk

There's plenty of packages that allow for unlimited download ... at least I have one, I don't have "cable" TV, or a landline, I stream and download everything.

a reply to: Never Despise

How do you know all this? The social credit system isn't even active in China yet... well it might be. But it's fundamentals aren't even known yet.

a reply to: Nivhk

I'm surprised Russia has this in the works. Putin has made massive pushes to De-soviet itself and rebuild "traditional Russian values" again. This might be there way to ensure everyone is a straight orthodox christian citizen that takes ice baths at least once a day and all women must have nine children.

a reply to: strongfp

It is active on a patchwork regional basis, more advanced in some cities and areas than others. It is not yet totally nationally centralized.

The anecdotes I posted are all true and are drawn from this book, which I read recently and highly recommend to everyone:

We have been harmonised: Life in China's surveillance state
By Kai Strittmatter

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Never Despise

I'm going to play the devils advocate here and bring up part of the equation that humanity has never faced of lived with for more than two decades, we have almost unlimited access to the internet now, don't you think it's time to put some regulations beyond what we have now? This, social credit score from what I know, is more to control internet usage, much like how credit scores and criminal records worked in the past.
There is such thing as too much freedom.

Yeeee....BUT not accompanied with progressive absurd such as marking every fkin thing as offensive and giving it labels such as racism etc. Do you want your credit score tanking down because you called someone a "fat noob" in a game? Because this is where this idiotism is heading.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: Never Despise

I'd argue that Social Credits are one of the most dangerous ideas the world faces right now. Perhaps even more insidious than Terrorism. The Western World needs to realize what it is, and reject it loudly, and do it soon.

Agreed.
This has the potential, to grow into a massive, overarching control mechanism.

We already have some of the early tentacles growing amongst us, like all of those loyalty cards, 1% discount for bla-bla cards, air-miles, AAA, etc...

What about those auto insurance companies, that will install an operations monitor on your car, for some tiny discount ?
How do you think your insurance claim will turn-out, when they notice that you were going 5mph over the speed limit, twice in the previous minutes before the accident ?

Well at least we can still have a !!

Awww : bought that with my 2% cash-back credit-card... LoL !!!!

a reply to: Never Despise

Realease the KraKarens!!!

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Never Despise

I'm going to play the devils advocate here and bring up part of the equation that humanity has never faced of lived with for more than two decades, we have almost unlimited access to the internet now, don't you think it's time to put some regulations beyond what we have now? This, social credit score from what I know, is more to control internet usage, much like how credit scores and criminal records worked in the past.
There is such thing as too much freedom.

Where are you getting your information that social credit scoring is to "control internet usage"? That's not how the system is being applied in China. They already have the Great Firewall for manipulating web traffic. This is about thought, attitude and behavioral policing, NOT directing your internet browsing.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

I'm putting the internet element to it. You can't have such an infrastructure to track peoples lives without something as massive as the internet. Whether you like it or not, we will become a singularity with the internet, we sort of are right now. The next phase in control is to control that realm.

a reply to: strongfp

Have you considered that : perhaps that is where 5G comes in ?

You know : the so called Internet-Of-Spies, oops, meant Internet-Of-Things...