Should the US Split

a reply to: JAGStorm

Nah.

Most Americans, like most Brits or Armenians or Zambians or anywhereians, aren't fanatical partisans.

They get up in the morning, have a dump and a shave, go to work, come home, eat their supper and go to bed again.

They lean left on some things, right on others, couldn't give a damn about some more, and just want politicians to run things smoothly.

a reply to: JAGStorm

I've been thinking about this a lot for the better part of 2 years.
The US is tremendously fractured. Most Americans will refuse to acknowledge the otherside. There's hatred, anger and distrust.
The only problem I can see with splitting the country up is where and how that will work?
I can see a civil war before I see a breakup of this country.

Could you imagine if every 4 years states vote to see what country they wanted to be in? The 2 countries borders could theoretically change every election.

Honestly, the only way I can see the United States get back to being a better country is if political parties become eliminated. We all know they are the real reason our country is so divided.

a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese


Exactly. This idea is nothing more than an internet meme.

Nobody walks around with a radar that identifies you by political party, and the average American doesn't even think political party until it is election time.

I have friends, family, neighbors, and family that have some unique ideas and beliefs. None of which will ever go past the point of conversation.

America has a lot of problems that we are going to have to deal with if we don't get this over the top response to COVID under control. We don't have time, money, energy, or resources, to deal with any additional insanity.

I was talking earlier to my neighbor. She says she doesn't pay attention to politics and has no loyalty to any party, but her son-in-law is a die-hard Trump loyalist, and she sometimes thinks he has lost his mind, but she loves him, and just doesn't say anything when he and the grandkids parroting him, says something she doesn't understand.

She said he looked at her like a deer caught in headlights, when he had gone off on a rant about Democrats being evil and needing to be eliminated from the country, when she asked him, "Where are you planning on sending me and Pa, or do you think since we are old, that maybe you should just kill us.

He quickly back stepped, but she told him she knew he didn't mean it, but that he had to be careful what he says around the children because they mimic everything he says and does.

And that is the problem. Young and fractured minds don't know what is just smack talk and what is real. That causes problems that can be far reaching.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: JAGStorm

On paper, I agree with you. I think that there should be one America for the liberals and another for the conservatives, but in practice it would be impossible to do this without uprooting hundreds of millions of people. Not to mention the fact that most of America's food is grown in conservative regions, while most of the other economic activity happens on the coasts which are predominantly liberal.

Thus Liberal America would be wealthy, but starving, while Conservative America would be poor, but well fed.

THAT is why we have trade agreements for. we can still do business and have a mutual defense pact against non americans.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: JAGStorm

I'm going to always side with the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Everyone else can go pound sand.

Well said , couldn’t agree more. WAY to many people gave there lives for our Freedom / Constitution.

Well who is the teacher and who is the learner?

a reply to: JAGStorm

If we're ever to unite again, splitting up is the only way. The division started getting really bad in 2007 and we're too far gone at this point. People can't even support the president without violence or threats thereof.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

This caught traction from a blue Congress in 2007, then Obama made it worse by butting into situations before there was a trial and telling everyone how racist white America and Christians were. To think this started with Trump is a clear indication of how well you don't pay attention.

There is always a productive side and a non productive side.

Usually the non productive side is more violent and out spoken....when things are good they demand segregation and like being among people like themselves.

But when things are not good and they want something, they complain about the other side, want the other side to donate more. Want the other side to incorporate them in more.

Is a lose lose situation dealing with a certain groups

From a friend, I Did not write this:

If you are fearful that the new generation of voters don’t get it, read this article written by Alyssa Ahlgren. I think her analysis of why they think the way they do is exactly correct.

“I’m sitting in a small coffee shop near Nokomis trying to think of what to write about. I scroll through my newsfeed on my phone looking at the latest headlines of Democratic candidates calling for policies to “fix” the so-called injustices of capitalism. I put my phone down and continue to look around. I see people talking freely, working on their MacBook’s, ordering food they get in an instant, seeing cars go by outside, and it dawned on me. We live in the most privileged time in the most prosperous nation and we’ve become completely blind to it. Vehicles, food, technology, freedom to associate with whom we choose. These things are so ingrained in our American way of life we don’t give them a second thought. We are so well off here in the United States that our poverty line begins 31 times above the global average. Thirty. One. Times. Virtually no one in the United States is considered poor by global standards. Yet, in a time where we can order a product off Amazon with one click and have it at our doorstep the next day, we are unappreciative, unsatisfied, and ungrateful.

Our unappreciation is evident as the popularity of socialist policies among my generation continues to grow. Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently said to Newsweek talking about the millennial generation, “An entire generation, which is now becoming one of the largest electorates in America, came of age and never saw American prosperity.”

Never saw American prosperity. Let that sink in. When I first read that statement, I thought to myself, that was quite literally the most entitled and factually illiterate thing I’ve ever heard in my 26 years on this earth. Now, I’m not attributing Miss Ocasio-Cortez’s words to outright dishonesty. I do think she whole-heartedly believes the words she said to be true. Many young people agree with her, which is entirely misguided. My generation is being indoctrinated by a mainstream narrative to actually believe we have never seen prosperity. I know this first hand, I went to college, let’s just say I didn’t have the popular opinion, but I digress.

Let me lay down some universal truths really quick. The United States of America has lifted more people out of abject poverty, spread more freedom and democracy, and has created more innovation in technology and medicine than any other nation in human history. Not only that but our citizenry continually breaks world records with charitable donations, the rags to riches story is not only possible in America but not uncommon, we have the strongest purchasing power on earth, and we encompass 25% of the world’s GDP. The list goes on. However, these universal truths don’t matter. We are told that income inequality is an existential crisis (even though this is not an indicator of prosperity, some of the poorest countries in the world have low-income inequality), we are told that we are oppressed by capitalism (even though it’s brought about more freedom and wealth to the most people than any other system in world history), we are told that the only way we will acquire the benefits of true prosperity is through socialism and centralization of federal power (even though history has proven time and again this only brings tyranny and suffering).

Why then, with all of the overwhelming evidence around us, evidence that I can even see sitting at a coffee shop, do we not view this as prosperity? We have people who are dying to get into our country. People around the world destitute and truly impoverished. Yet, we have a young generation convinced they’ve never seen prosperity, and as a result, elect politicians dead set on taking steps towards abolishing capitalism. Why? The answer is this, my generation has ONLY seen prosperity. We have no contrast. We didn’t live in the great depression, or live through two world wars, or see the rise and fall of socialism and communism. We don’t know what it’s like not to live without the internet, without cars, without smartphones. We don’t have a lack of prosperity problem. We have an entitlement problem, an ungratefulness problem, and it’s spreading like a plague.

With the current political climate giving rise to the misguided idea of a socialist utopia, will we see the light? Or will we have to lose it all to realize that what we have now is true prosperity? Destroying the free market will undo what millions of people have died to achieve.

My generation is becoming the largest voting bloc in the country. We have an opportunity to continue to propel us forward with the gifts capitalism and democracy has given us. The other option is that we can fall into the trap of entitlement and relapse into restrictive socialist destitution. The choice doesn’t seem too hard, does it?” Amen and Amen

a reply to: wdkirk

 We have an entitlement problem, an ungratefulness problem, and it’s spreading like a plague.

Hit the nail on the head.

I see it every single day.

Young people that treat their parents as a neccessary nuisance. No gratitude because they think it is their parents duty and responsibility to make sure they are happy.

It drives me insane to watch parents not pulling the plug on the insanity. Glad I am old and past much of this craziness. I told all my kids, if they were of this generation, I would be in jail, they all laughed and said, "Definitely, and we would have been dead and buried. "

I only has one child that I had to spank, and that was more to show him that the old lady was not a push over, and I never had to spank him again.

I don't believe for one second that there will ever be a split in America. The majority of the working class, middle class, and the upper middle class, have no time for political nonsense.

Again. If things deteriorated that much, before Americans could draw up the lines, we would no longer be America, or the United States, we would be refugees, and instead of moving to your new State, you would be issued your number, pray it is not tattooed on your arm, and you won't be heading for your cot, in the refugee camp.

a reply to: LSU2018

People can't even support the president without violence or threats thereof.

That is a darn good point.
Not that we have to love every president, but somewhere during the Bush years I saw a change.
It exploded with Obama, and got worse with Trump.

What did we hear, "not my President"...hmmm