This Thanksgiving, Let's Not

Leave the gender PowerPoint in your dorms.

And no, it's not a good idea to "stand up" to your "racist" family at Thanksgiving.

Emma Camp, who writes a regular opinion column for the Cavalier Daily, asserted that “white progressives must privilege their principles over personal comfort” in conversations with family during the holiday season. In order to fulfill this mandate, they “need to stand up to their racist loved ones.”

So she wants college progressives to turn the Thanksgiving table into a verbal battlefield over politics.



Here's a how we feel about that. And wait for the guy on the right. He speaks at the end. Believe it or not, we've all been young and thought we knew it all and were more right than anyone else too. Most of us have even been to college. But Scott Ott's opinion on this is the best, and listen hard to it. It's not political at all.

originally posted by: ketsuko

..they “need to stand up to their racist loved ones.”

Hey, I resemble that remark. None of my holiday conversation material is repeatable here.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I guess me best point here is that if unity is really what they want, the best place to start is by letting family be family.

So she wants college progressives to turn the Thanksgiving table into a verbal battlefield over politics......

Daughter...Dad, you are a racist, make supremist, whose white privilege has suppressed the BAEM's in my skool and I am not happy!

Dad, your right. I hereby cut you off from my hard earned money that I have been saving since you were born so you could go to college. Pay for your own college, and leave the car here until you get your own insurance.

Daughter......Uhhhhh. I was just jokin!








a reply to: ketsuko

a reply to: ketsuko

I'm starting to think progressives just thrive on conflict and division. Every single thing has to be turned into an us vs them battle. Every conversation is an opportunity for conflict. Every issue has to have two opposing sides with no room for middle ground or compromise. People with 'wrong' opinions or thoughts must be berated, harassed or threatened into conforming or silence.

a reply to: ketsuko

Yeah, I remember coming home from University, feeling so smart, and full of myself.

My Mother, very quietly, and calmly, said, well I can see right now, that I will not be wasting my money on a school that is teaching my child nonsense. If you are so smart, you should be able to get a job and make your own way.

I shut up and saw the light.

originally posted by: ketsuko
I guess me best point here is that if unity is really what they want, the best place to start is by letting family be family.

I agree. I'm not attempting to change people's minds at the dinner table unless it's to get them to have a second helping.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Sounds like you're trying to assert your patriarchal male dominance over the dinner table to me.

a reply to: dug88

Nah, I just like telling inappropriate jokes.

Well our TD gathering is no more. Cancelled due to concerns over the virus. Tomorrow will just be another day like today. Everyone is getting to the point of saying F it all, it's not worth the bother.

All I hear is "if everyone would have worn a mask last spring this would all be over with!" day after day after day. All it's doing is pissing me off. My general mood (as some have noticed here) has been pretty unruly, I'm not normally like this.

Congratulations China, you won.

I was full of myself, but with my grandparents ... grandpa just commanded respect. He was that kind of man with that sort of demeanor, and my grandma had been pretty radical hellraiser in her youth. I didn't need her to be radfem because she'd already pushed boundaries enough for her day and she was a strong lady in her own right in those days.

There was no need to fight with them over anything. I respected them both.

a reply to: dug88

No. That us just youthful angst.

When I was young, I thought I knew everything, and had been enlightened to the secrets of the world. I was ready to march, and rally for anything that became an issue.

Hell, I would have marched to save the cockroach. It was more about social gathering, feeling relevant, having purpose, and thinking you were making a difference.

The difference between then in now, is that we didn't have the internet were we can get 24/7 validation for our stupid ideas and behaviors.

Oh, and back then, you had parents that would snatch the rug from under your feet, and also would slap you back to the world of reality.

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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Likely chauvinistic, misogynistic ones told at the expense of women. You monster.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I guess it depends on your education. When.I was an angsty youth, fresh out of university, full of ideas and #. We got slapped down hard by the government and the reality of working in a field controlled by industry opposed to the amazing world saving work we were doing.

Oops.

originally posted by: dug88
Likely chauvinistic, misogynistic ones told at the expense of women. You monster.

That's part of the repertoire but not even close to the good stuff.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I guess me best point here is that if unity is really what they want, the best place to start is by letting family be family.

Agreed. My family and I leave politics and religion or lack thereof on the back-burner on T-day. It comes up occasionally, but we don't make a big discussion of it any more. Makes for a much more pleasant day.

a reply to: ketsuko

If the answer is this thanksgiving lets not eat turkey, I already started a lack luster thread on that.

a reply to: TheAlleghenyGentleman

We generally have both turkey and ham - for the non-turkey inclined. My grandfather never liked turkey, but he understood that it was a tradition to have. Grandma understood he never liked it, so ham made it's way into the repertoire. Both are now part of the traditional table.

I think one of the best memories of my grandfather is that for all that he was such a stickler for having a formal dress meal and table manners, when my cousin had a little dog, that dog took up station at granpa's feet every Thanksgiving and Christmas formal dinner, and the turkey on his plate disappeared with suspicious haste while that dog snuffed under the table.

No one else would have dared feed the dog off the table, but grandpa did. And no one ever quite caught him at it, but we knew he was.

a reply to: ketsuko

Many years ago...I learned to always have a (cough cough) at the holiday get togethers(in laws).

Seriously?? For the sake of sanity( and to hold your "alternative p.o.v.)...never get into politics, religion or conspiracies.

It's just safer and you'll have a good time...offending no one.

Saved me many times.

Late afternoon here, so I'm gone. Ket-?best to and yours tomorrow...and everyday, God Bless.

a reply to: mysterioustranger

Well, since my family is more or less afraid to get together, it will just be the three of us here.

You have a good time and a great meal. Best to you and yours.