Meat-free diets linked with greater risk of breaking bones

a reply to: Drucifer

To be honest, I don't really care what people eat, the study I linked is pretty pointless really, I just like getting people riled up...and I realize pretty much nobody reading this thread is actually going to go read the original paper.

It's pretty much one of those sensational media headlines about a nothing study showing some correlation between lack of meat and an increase in broken bones.

But man, does it ever get people fired up.

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: Drucifer

To be honest, I don't really care what people eat, the study I linked is pretty pointless really, I just like getting people riled up...and I realize pretty much nobody reading this thread is actually going to go read the original paper.

It's pretty much one of those sensational media headlines about a nothing study showing some correlation between lack of meat and an increase in broken bones.

But man, does it ever get people fired up.

Yes it is like politics, lies always get people a little upset and wish for more honesty and truth and less ignorance and more larger picture overview.
We are individuals with the right to make individual choices we decide are best for ourselves, we should allow others to do the same unless they step on us, bottom line!

I have no problem with people that choose to eat vegan. In fact I tried it for a while, it sucked though. So went back to eating normally again. I do however hate those vegans that think they can tell other people to eat like them. Or insult and belittle people who don't. I am pretty sure a good chunk of the people that talk # about vegans are really talking about those loudmouthed cult members, not just people that choose to eat vegan.

a reply to: TKDRL

Yep.

It's hard enough to contain an expanding waistline as you get older. So if you find something that workd for you and keeps you healthy, then you need to stick with it. But as I said, we're all different. My personal answer is more protein and healthy fats along with exercise. Not everyone will thrive on that, but my body type and metabolism does, so that's where I am at.

I am one of those ass backwards people that can't seem to gain weight lol. Even when I was young and dumb, eating a whole large pizza myself on a friday, then chuggalugging a case of beer after. When I went vegan, I began losing muscle and strength. Can't have that in the construction business. Most of my meat intake these days is moose, it's very lean meat. Like if you make a moose burger, the patty you make in the beginning, is the size it ends up with at the end. It's doesn't shrink to half the size like beef does lol.

a reply to: TKDRL

The thing with vegetables, and the reason we put a big bucket of cut veggies on our dinner table every night, is that you can eat a ton of them and not take in half the calories that a nice small portion of lean protein will provide.

For me, containing my appetite is a balancing act between controlling what my stomach is used to taking in and what I put in it.

For me to get enough vegan calories, I would have to feel like I was gorging myself, and then at times, I get the munchies really badly and I would inevitably eat the wrong stuff and way too much.

A lean protein/healthy fat diet allows me to get used to being content on smaller portions so I don't tend to get and stay hungry all the time and eat too much.

When people’s diets were analysed, meat eaters consumed more calcium and protein.

So basically, if the article assumptions are correct, it amounts to a small amount of vegans not getting enough calcium/protein which amounts to not planning diets properly.

a reply to: ketsuko

While I understand your point, even if you are lifting weights, you can be easily filled with rice/beans and supplement with a protein shake to get adequate proteins and a low calorie filling diet.

So the argument that vegans need to gorge themselves to get adequate protein and not feel overfilled is nonsense in today's modern world that is full of supplements for every type of person.

a reply to: TKDRL

Yea.. Most vegans are not highly vocal activists.. And secondly, those high vocal activists mostly have the best intentions in mind. Advocating for animal rights...

As a vegan , I think they should find some comprise with meat eaters. At least vegans care about animals, which is hard to say about 80% of the meat-eating population.

a reply to: Gothmog

LOL... So you have zero evidence besides that an athlete at a pro-level didn't do as well after going vegan. Yet, there are vegans who are 80+ and healthy, and also young folk who are muscular and healthy.

This idiotic "we were cavemen so have to eat like caveman" logic is based on zero facts.

Many also ignore that there were benefits found in this study. Not to mention, this study is not a tell-all for vegan vs meat-eater diets. Also, the article says the biggest problem was lack of protein/calcium which is easily accounted for.

If anything, this study suggests that some vegans are not getting enough protein/calcium. Not that there is no protein/calcium to be had via veggies.

a reply to: blueman12

It all burns off very quickly. Not to mention, I have that thing where I get hiccups after eating too many carbs, so rice quickly becomes uncomfortable to eat, same with bread.

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown

originally posted by: dug88
So close your eyes for a moment and picture your typical vegan. Skinny, frail, probably yelling something about black lives mattering

Happy to say I am a carnivore but what the hell has BLM got to do with veganism?

They want to stereotype people because its fun for them. Just like the left would like to categorize the right as mouth-breathing racist morons who worship the ground Trump stands on.

It's too bad ATS is full of these right-wing people. Vegans are frail morons and all lefists are pedophile NWO worshippers..

It's tiring and no wonder why this website is failing when posts consist of nonsense like this.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: blueman12

It all burns off very quickly. Not to mention, I have that thing where I get hiccups after eating too many carbs, so rice quickly becomes uncomfortable to eat, same with bread.

Fair enough, I know the body after some time because accustom to diet changes and accounts for such. So if you go to a heavy-carb diet your body will adjust just as it will for a keto diet.

Of course we are all different. My main concern is that we respect animals and stop buying from factory farms. I got as much respect for vegetarians or ethical meat-eaters as I do vegans.

a reply to: blueman12
I simply don't care for people that feel they got it all figured out, and think they have the right to run other peoples' lives. Or they have the right to insult others not like them. They may have great intentions, but as they say, that's what the road to hell is paved on.

20 year vegetarian here. This is common sense. My vast amount of broken/fractured bones point towards the diet. Let me be clear: diet is due to health, not care/love of animals.

Loved seeing this though.

a reply to: TKDRL

It's not about running people's lives. I think China and much of their policies are wrong and unethical. Because I advocate against China, am I trying to run Chinese lives?

Is anyone making any kind of argument trying to run people's lives?

This is such a silly point you bring up. Vegans are trying to convince others of their idea of animal ethics, just as one would try to convince another of free speech ethics.

Neither are trying to control your life because neither are making laws against your freedom of choice. So please stop making this nonsensical argument.

Should we just stop arguing and debating because any argument ever can be countered with "well you're trying to tell me what I should do"....

I don't think you understand debate, arguing, or advocacy.

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: UpIsNowDown

www.peta.org...

www.distractify.com...

They said it themselves...

Plenty of meat-eaters who were pro-BLM... I would bet all my savings that most of BLM activists are meat-eaters. I'd even go for a sample size of 500.

a reply to: blueman12
Like I said, it's not people like you I have a bone to pick with. It's the loudmouthed activists. The ones that try to pass crap laws, or browbeat and insult people into submission etc etc.

a reply to: TKDRL

You mean like the ad-gag laws that prohibit people from filming factory farms? What vegan anti-meat laws are there?

Because at the moment, all I see is the massive meat industry creating laws and towering over any small minority "loud-mouthed" vegans.

So maybe you should take offense to the meat industry if you're worried about people/companys trying to reduce our freedoms.

a reply to: blueman12
I already don't support any factory farming. The meat I don't kill myself, is bought locally. Free range chickens, and fish/lobster right off the boats. Well, actually, maybe one thing I buy comes from factory farming, not really that sure. Packaged sandwich ham.