And Then They Came for the Literature

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

It's cool, they're just taking the word back.

I always enjoy the work around the white rappers use.

Mah #a
Homies
Brothas
Bruhs
Peeps
Eminem uses honkey in his everlast diss using tupac's hit em up beat and a parody of his lyrics


From limitation comes creativity.

Getting to call everyone a nigga makes you lazy.

If you're not allowed to say it, you've gotta be a bit creative and come up with some synonyms.

Though...
My favourite's gotta be this...

Huh...

Well there used to exist a video of a white guy rapping # tha police by NWA where a random black dude cut in everytime 'n-word' came up in the lyrics....

Can't seem to find this on youtube any more...

It was real...I swear...I watched it...

I guess it wasn't politically correct enough...

Man that was like the funniest cover of a song i've seen.

Almost Weird Al level good. The video was great.

I know they're taking the word back, been listening to rap near exclusively since I was 11...21 years ago.

That video sounds absolutely hilarious and would melt the minds of the PC police.

P.S Tupac Shakur is my spirit animal

originally posted by: IAMALLYETALLIAM

originally posted by: Annee
I used to be against banning these classics for kids, until I recently re-read them. Even the Hardy Boys — while looking for classics for my grandson.

I have changed my mind after reading them.

With millions of books at our disposal, there is zero reason to subject today’s children to these antiquated thoughts, ideas, and prejudices.

Who cares if someone deemed them classics —they are not necessary.

The debate within the district comes after a summer of mass protests calling for an end to the unjust treatment of Black people. As a result, many institutions and school districts like BUSD are taking a hard look at themselves, their policies, curriculums and practices, in many cases publishing antiracist statements. And while book banning has a long history in America, the situation in Burbank — once a sundown town that practiced racial segregation — is freshly complicated. www.latimes.com...

No offence Annee but with the commentary I see from you, you're hardly a yardstick of reasonable thought.

Why not let the kids be exposed to historically offensive language to start the conversation around why it's wrong today, why we no longer use it and discuss how we move forward and treat people?

Banning and cancelling everything is the mindset of children who lack the IQ points to departmentalise and properly analyse sensitive issues.

It's the cowards path to simply stick your head in the sand.

Because, you’re a Right Wing Traditionalist?

a reply to: Annee

Oh that's right ... you'd prefer they be taught about things like safe fisting.

I say give 'em their own country. a state sized plot of communist land where no one gets offended and everybody pays for each other. See how they like it.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

Then why are we still teaching them about all the horrors of it in history? Isn't that equally about all those "anitquated" ideas and prejudices?

Additionally, reading about in a good story makes the idea far more "human" than simply learning the dry fact of it in history. You feel what the characters felt meaning you feel the horrors of being segregated, a slave, etc.

I don’t agree children need this shoved in their face at school.

They deal with it enough in real life.

Yes they do. Otherwise they end up as common sense broken as you are.

a reply to: Annee

Um. Okay. What’re thoughts on the progressive agenda to teach sex Ed to 6 year olds, letting them know they can be anything they want to be when they grow up. As long as it applies to gender fluidity that is...

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: IAMALLYETALLIAM

originally posted by: Annee
I used to be against banning these classics for kids, until I recently re-read them. Even the Hardy Boys — while looking for classics for my grandson.

I have changed my mind after reading them.

With millions of books at our disposal, there is zero reason to subject today’s children to these antiquated thoughts, ideas, and prejudices.

Who cares if someone deemed them classics —they are not necessary.

The debate within the district comes after a summer of mass protests calling for an end to the unjust treatment of Black people. As a result, many institutions and school districts like BUSD are taking a hard look at themselves, their policies, curriculums and practices, in many cases publishing antiracist statements. And while book banning has a long history in America, the situation in Burbank — once a sundown town that practiced racial segregation — is freshly complicated. www.latimes.com...

No offence Annee but with the commentary I see from you, you're hardly a yardstick of reasonable thought.

Why not let the kids be exposed to historically offensive language to start the conversation around why it's wrong today, why we no longer use it and discuss how we move forward and treat people?

Banning and cancelling everything is the mindset of children who lack the IQ points to departmentalise and properly analyse sensitive issues.

It's the cowards path to simply stick your head in the sand.

Because, you’re a Right Wing Traditionalist?

Am I? I find that quite interesting seeing as I struggle to label myself.

Indicative of your level of thinking though - anybody who thinks differently to or challenges your opinions is automatically the opposite of you and put in a neat little box so you don't have to actually think for yourself or challenge your beliefs.

The fact that you provide a six word response to some reasonable thoughts and questions says it all.

Sorry I hurt your brain.

In this internet age rife with crazy, if a kid is reading ANY literature, hell, Mein Kampf or The Anarchist's Cookbook - it's a good thing.

Maybe kids will learn to spell at least.

They are already over-exposed all day everday to hatred, vice, and nonsense. Better if it's read, I think.

a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

It was great, it was like the douchiest hipster white dude and his black Buddy, oh man it was ridiculous. The black guy played it up, had like the most ridiculous grin on his face.

I dunno, listening to some stuff like Jedi mind tricks or warporn industries, it becomes really obvious which the black or not rappers are.

I seen cypress hill a couple years ago, seems even B real's starting to cut back and change his lyrics up. Used brotha in place of 'n-word' for most of the songs.

Personally, I think if a word's so terrible either nobody says it, or it's like any other swear word.

originally posted by: Gnawledge
In this internet age rife with crazy, if a kid is reading ANY literature, hell, Mein Kampf or The Anarchist's Cookbook - it's a good thing.

Maybe kids will learn to spell at least.

They are already over-exposed all day everday to hatred, vice, and nonsense. Better if it's read, I think.

Great point - I was going to use Mein Kampf as an example.

Say we ban it and remove all discussion and commentary around it's wrongs and the evil it helped to wreak upon the world and soon enough we forget those lessons that people paid in blood for.

Cancel culture needs to be cancelled.

originally posted by: ketsuko
I don't understand why reading about the truth about how things were in history is so offensive. We need to learn about it so we understand why it's wrong and learn from the mistakes of history.

All of these books are good jumping off points for that understanding for everyone even with their offensive language.

You don't get it because you are not Marxist.

a reply to: Annee
Is that so? Why were these all mandatory reading before 2000? In leftist Cali? Just curious how you spin this....

a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

The scary thing is that it sounds like some people here are ripe to repeat it even though we could be learning from it.

I fully agree that kids who are reading should be encouraged. I've been blessed with a reader although mine's more into stuff like Percy Jackson and Wings of Fire. He and I are working through The Hunger Games together right now as a "team" read. He's a boy, so he's all into the action, but we talk about what's going on and why too.

Banning books is not the answer! Discussion about the content of the books is what is needed. And if conflicts arise because of the books content; they should take it behind the bleachers and settle it like men.

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

It was great, it was like the douchiest hipster white dude and his black Buddy, oh man it was ridiculous. The black guy played it up, had like the most ridiculous grin on his face.

I dunno, listening to some stuff like Jedi mind tricks or warporn industries, it becomes really obvious which the black or not rappers are.

I seen cypress hill a couple years ago, seems even B real's starting to cut back and change his lyrics up. Used brotha in place of 'n-word' for most of the songs.

Personally, I think if a word's so terrible either nobody says it, or it's like any other swear word.

Nice, I used to be a huge fan of Jedi Mind Tricks and Vinnie Paz.....feel like he started getting repetitive after a while though.

Haven't really noticed anyone cleaning up their vocabulary except that concert where Nas was bullied in to not using a homophobic slur starting with F. I agree the word is outdated though at the time of writing the song he was a teenage kid from the projects using the vocabulary available to him and that documented in song is an artistic representation of that socio economic level. Respect the hell out of the fact he chose an alternate phrase out of respect for the gay community though.....or maybe due to his fear of being in the dole queue after being cancelled?

a reply to: Annee

I used to be against banning these classics for kids, until I recently re-read them.

But you liked them when you were a kid right ?

originally posted by: IAMALLYETALLIAM

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: IAMALLYETALLIAM

originally posted by: Annee
I used to be against banning these classics for kids, until I recently re-read them. Even the Hardy Boys — while looking for classics for my grandson.

I have changed my mind after reading them.

With millions of books at our disposal, there is zero reason to subject today’s children to these antiquated thoughts, ideas, and prejudices.

Who cares if someone deemed them classics —they are not necessary.

The debate within the district comes after a summer of mass protests calling for an end to the unjust treatment of Black people. As a result, many institutions and school districts like BUSD are taking a hard look at themselves, their policies, curriculums and practices, in many cases publishing antiracist statements. And while book banning has a long history in America, the situation in Burbank — once a sundown town that practiced racial segregation — is freshly complicated. www.latimes.com...

No offence Annee but with the commentary I see from you, you're hardly a yardstick of reasonable thought.

Why not let the kids be exposed to historically offensive language to start the conversation around why it's wrong today, why we no longer use it and discuss how we move forward and treat people?

Banning and cancelling everything is the mindset of children who lack the IQ points to departmentalise and properly analyse sensitive issues.

It's the cowards path to simply stick your head in the sand.

Because, you’re a Right Wing Traditionalist?

Am I? I find that quite interesting seeing as I struggle to label myself.

Indicative of your level of thinking though - anybody who thinks differently to or challenges your opinions is automatically the opposite of you and put in a neat little box so you don't have to actually think for yourself or challenge your beliefs.

The fact that you provide a six word response to some reasonable thoughts and questions says it all.

Sorry I hurt your brain.

My opinion stands.

I’m well aware of the majority demographic of this board.

Which is why I’m not going to debate. Somewhere else I might.

Have a good day.

originally posted by: olaru12
Banning books is not the answer! Discussion about the content of the books is what is needed. And if conflicts arise because of the books content; they should take it behind the bleachers and settle it like men.

Ideas hurt I guess?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

The scary thing is that it sounds like some people here are ripe to repeat it even though we could be learning from it.

I fully agree that kids who are reading should be encouraged. I've been blessed with a reader although mine's more into stuff like Percy Jackson and Wings of Fire. He and I are working through The Hunger Games together right now as a "team" read. He's a boy, so he's all into the action, but we talk about what's going on and why too.

Love the dedication you have with your son and reading. My daughters only two and a half although my wife and I have been reading to her since she was a tiny little baby (she still is in my eyes of course).

She loves books and has her own little library of stories she often brings over and asks me to read, she 'reads' them herself sometimes too.

I like to think that when my kids (another one is on its way ) are of an age they will be coming in to contact with sensitive material that I am able to have mature conversations with them and be their guide to free thinking and critical analysis rather than saying they can't read/watch/listen to that as they will anyway. Best I can do is provide context and spark some thoughts.

originally posted by: olaru12
Banning books is not the answer! Discussion about the content of the books is what is needed. And if conflicts arise because of the books content; they should take it behind the bleachers and settle it like men.

A novel need not be vandalised with footnotes of "context" and "discussion". Nor edited to be "more palatable". That should be the confines of actual class discussion.

Classical literature should remain in it's unadulterated form.