Department of Homeland Security calls election "the most secure in American history"

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: tanstaafl
You're incapable of understanding this aren't you.

-sigh- projection, deflection, its all the same... accuse others of that which you are guilty.

Trump isn't driven by any desire to 'drain the swamp' or to do right by the American people......his every consideration is about him and his ego.

Said the TDS fool while trying to keep from drowning in his own slobber.

If the man had real concerns over potential voter fraud he should have taken every precaution possible to prevent it.

He is. He allowed them to cheat. He accumulated all of the evidence needed to bury them, in order to effect real, lasting change to the systemic fraud in our electoral system (vis-a-vis the machines and software and tallying systems). He - unlike you - understands that when the problem is systemic, then for any meaningful reform to take place, the entire system itself must be changed. The only way to create the will and momentum to do something so drastic is to reveal the problem in one fell swoop, in a way so big and dramatic that no one - not even you - will be able to doubt the reality of it.

Well... maybe you...

a reply to: tanstaafl

Such tame attempts at personal insults.
You really should brush up on your technique.

Trump did nothing about the alleged threat of voter fraud during his term and didn't voice concerns about it until he realised the other idiot has a chance of beating him.
He set it up as an excuse for his failure to beat Biden.

You can't see that.
You don't want to see that.

You hang on Trump's every word pulling yourself stupid over the prospect of a second term.
It takes all sorts.

a reply to: Freeborn

He doesn't really love you till he stops pitting you.

Then the hate kicks in.

And its sticky stuff down legs and all sorts of mad other nonsense.

A1 nutball would be my guestimation who loves to project.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: tanstaafl
Trump did nothing about the alleged threat of voter fraud during his term and didn't voice concerns about it until he realised the other idiot has a chance of beating him.

Really? He wasn't warning us all about it in 2016?

He set it up as an excuse for his failure to beat Biden.

He did beat Biden. He whipped his ass. You just can't see it yet.

You hang on Trump's every word

Still trying to figure out what people like you mean by that. I think Trump has mediocre speaking skills, and says quite a few cringe-worthy things.

What matters to me is deeds. Trump walks the talk.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

So to take a really unpopular opinion I want to analyze the most contested states. Why aren't THESE STATS being brought up by those filing lawsuits?

A 2016/2020 comparison

Wisconsin

Trump: Rep 1,405,284 - 47.2
Clinton: Dem 1,382,536 - 46.5

Margin: 22,748

Biden Dem - 1,630,570  49.6
Trump Rep - 1,610,030   48.9

Margin: 20,540

Winning Difference  '16 vs '20:  +2,208

Michigan

Trump Rep  2,279,543 - 47.3
Clinton Dem  2,268,839 - 47.0

Margin: 10,704

Biden Dem  2,795,184  50.6
Trump Rep  2,649,063  47.9%

Margin: 146,121

Winning Difference  '16 vs '20:  -135,417

Pennsylvania

Trump Rep  2,970,733. 48.2
Clinton Dem  2,926,441. 47.5

Margin: 44,292

Biden Dem -  3,414,662  49.9
Trump Rep -  3,351,613  49

Margin: 63,049

Winning Difference  '16 vs '20: 18,557

The other contested state, Arizona gained many Democrat residents.  If you look into it the leading counties to move to Maricopa county from are Cook County Illinois, and Los Angeles County California.  If it was a Republican stronghold it's a swing state now. And as their electoral allotment rises so will the likelihood of those votes being blue.

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IMO, this is getting sort of hypocritical and laden with denial.  it seems the inverse response of disenfranchised democrats protesting "not my president" and trying to oust him under a magnifying glass of Ukraine this, Russia that for 4 years.

This election seems like a normal swings you would see in swing states. One of the more minimal on record actually.

Why the hypocrisy? Why this time with slightly more decisive results?   In 2/3 contested states he won by a significantly smaller margin the first time than he lost by the second time. The exception being Wisconsin which swung left by a mere 42,000 votes across party lines. That only adds up in to fraud in the grandiosity of megalomaniac denial math.

It truly is a caricature of a movie villain next will come the "You are on my side of against me" true color purging of everyone not sycophantic to the cause.

Trump's persona is a cult of personality and (it appears) also a pseudo-prophet to the Bible Belt.  I get the impression he was the undoing of liberalization and secular humanist European Nordic system values seeking to kill babies for gay marriage and Satan.

A bit over-the-top, but I have heard that argument verbatim, and its widely believed.

But the constitutionalist in me doesn't see  a democracy that has died, nor do I see this plunging the country into wretched despair.

I just see democracy electing an Obama reboot to get called a satanic QAnon socialist dementia patient for 4 years until a still healthy Donald Trump possibly tries to pull a Grover Cleveland.

Red waves and blue waves while conservative/liberal justices still rule accross party lines, and everything balances out at the end of the cycle.

Then rewash. Rinse. Repeat.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Really? He wasn't warning us all about it in 2016?

He mentioned it.....and did nothing about it for four years only to bring it up again when he realised he had a real fight on his hands to get re-elected.

He did beat Biden. He whipped his ass. You just can't see it yet.

Only he didn't did he.
He won't win the electoral college and he didn't win the popular vote.
No amount of whinging and moaning will change that.

Still trying to figure out what people like you mean by that.

You believe his every word without even applying even the most basic amount of critical thinking.

I think Trump has mediocre speaking skills, and says quite a few cringe-worthy things.

Contender for understatement of the year.

Trump walks the talk.

If Trump walked like he talked he'd struggle to put his left foot in front of his right foot.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: tanstaafl

Really? He wasn't warning us all about it in 2016?

He mentioned it.

Al lot... in fact, he was drilled incessantly about whether or not he would 'accept the results of the election;...

So... who ended up refusing to accept the results of the 2016 election?

"Not my President!"

and did nothing about it for four years

Except prepare for the inevitable cheating that would occur in 2020 and laid his trap. It is already sprung - your ilk just doesn't realize it yet.

only to bring it up again when he realised he had a real fight on his hands to get re-elected.

"He did beat Biden. He whipped his ass. You just can't see it yet."

Only he didn't did he.

Yes, and once the true vote tallies are released afte forensic audit/analysis is finished discounting all of the votes for Trump that were deleted, and the votes that were flipped from Trump to Biden, and the fake ballots are excluded, you'll find he won the popular vote by a landslide.

He won't win the electoral college and he didn't win the popular vote.
No amount of whinging and moaning will change that.

"Still trying to figure out what people like you mean by that."

You believe his every word without even applying even the most basic amount of critical thinking.

Ah... then, no... I actually research what he says, especially when it comes to claims like this. The facts are on his side in this case.

a reply to: Degradation33

After 4 years of boths sides acusing the other side of cheating we need an investigation, I dont care who wins.

People need to believe the system works and nobody on either side is truly willing to accept it at face value.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Bizarre.

Paranoid.

Delusional.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Honestly when has the status quo not been to contain the public by any means necessary.

a reply to: akiros

I"m shaking my head in dismal agreement.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

You simply have no idea what all this blatant voter fraud has done do you?

For one thing, everyone knows there has been massive voter fraud.

The most important thing to reveal here now is this massive voter fraud is exposing all of the swamp people implanted in government agencies like Homeland security. They are flushing themselves out in the open trying to refute Trump when we all know Trump is right in calling out voting fraud.

Any agency that is dumb enough to claim this election is the most secure in history is as foolish as foolish and deceiving can be, and them saying this also show they have no self respect and have no respect for America. They are going out.

Laugh now, CRY LATER.

a reply to: akiros

The game is the game.

With respect to how it's played.

We are collateral.

See that wee number you get when you are born, Bingo!

We are a commodity to the bastards in the Ivory towers.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed
Trump came in four years ago promising to drain the swamp. True or false?

True.

His supporters cheered him everytime he made that promise. True or false?

True.

For the last four years he has been President of the United States and the man in charge of placing the right people in positions of authority drain that swamp. True or False?

True.

So with all of that, I ask you, has he drained the swamp? Oh, you already have said he has not. The ''swamp people'' are very possibly going to the blame for him losing the election. Yes you say, blame the swamp people'

I say wrong. He promised and that's how it goes. He failed bigly. It's his fault that he is going to lose this election because he failed in that one major promise, to drain the swamp.

Put me in coach. I can kick a 95 yard field goal. Instead it only reached the 5 yardline and the other team won the game. You placed your bet on a man who failed you.

Well what amazes Me is Posters saying TRUMP KNEW but Instead of stopping it BEFORE they could cheat He just sat back and let them cheat on your theory of he wanted to do a sting .
PROBLEM is IF you know someone is commiting a crime and do Nothing leaving them to comit a crime then You ARE GUILTY of Adding and abetting .

And any place you go that will get You charges .

Trump KNEW they would Then LET them do It even Though as President he had MORE then enough power to place his own people in charge .
sounds like he wanted to lose and comit crimes along the way .

even If it wasn't a crime to do nothing when you know a crimes is being done it does show Trump had little desire to stop cheatings he so easily could have done .

your acutely saying HE KNEW and DID NOTHING then in the very next breath saying how great Trump is .

a reply to: midnightstar

At the very best it would make Trump complicit in that fraud.

And I'm sure that POTUS has at least a moral obligation to do everything within his power to PREVENT a crime being committed rather than turn a blind eye to it and set up some sort of 'super' sting operation.
Surely he would present the evidence of planned vote rigging before to or during the crime being committed as in any other criminal 'sting' operation?

Its a ludicrous suggestion....and even IF it is true just shows how questionable this man's judgement ability is.

And IF it isn't true it shows how desperate he is and how willing he is to drag America's reputation through the mud just to feed his own egotistical narcissism.

Whichever is true it proves just how unfit to be called President of The United States he is.

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: TerryMcGuire



Let's see what the courts say, shall we?

Doesent matter. When courts rule that 0 evidence of mass fraud found place it still won't be enough for you. They could recount the ballots in front of your face and It still wouldn't be enough.