The Justinian Plague (500s AD) estimated to have killed half the world's population

It is possible through coordinated efforts to use only renewable resources and to create infrastructure to sustan a much larger population then we have now. As Ghandi said "The world has enough for everyone's need, but not enough for everyone's greed." The truth is we just do not know how many people the planet can withstand and it depends on other factors besides just the head count. a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: ras321
It is possible through coordinated efforts to use only renewable resources and to create infrastructure to sustan a much larger population then we have now. As Ghandi said "The world has enough for everyone's need, but not enough for everyone's greed." The truth is we just do not know how many people the planet can withstand and it depends on other factors besides just the head count. a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

You guys seem to be blissfully unaware that we already produce more than what the world needs.

In every aspect.

We just need to stop throwing out what we can't SELL.

There is a vast difference between an actual carrying capacity of a given environment, and an artificial cap derived by profit margins.

And we don't even have the sustainable and green part remotely close to installed yet. Once that happens, the only upper limit on the human population will be what it currently is...the human manufactured kind.

a reply to: andy06shake

Antibiotics don't help much with viruses.

I'm referring to the secondary issues that come with covid. Infection is common with those that get there lungs and other organs wreaked. Intubating people can cause damage to the throat and lungs that then gets infected. All of the needles that go into a person have to be sterile but can still get infected after days or weeks in a hospital. there's a lot of baggage that comes with covid.

Those who got the low to mild effects, right would not need need antibiotics.


Yeah just think if we were still in the time were we didn't sterilize medical equipment.

a reply to: Never Despise

Never even heard of this.

makes me wonder how many times humanity got beat down by illnesses that raged across the world.
Disease and viruses that we will never know about. Because anyone that would have documented it died before they could.


Flip side: What if in some way over the long run these illnesses are helping the human race? What if modern medicine really is making us weaker?

a reply to: 772STi

www.healthline.com...

Bubonic plague The most common form of plague is bubonic plague. It’s usually contracted when an infected rodent or flea bites you. In very rare cases, you can get the bacteria from material that has come into contact with an infected person. Bubonic plague infects your lymphatic system (a part of the immune system), causing inflammation in your lymph nodes. Untreated, it can move into the blood (causing septicemic plague) or to the lungs (causing pneumonic plague). Septicemic plague When the bacteria enter the bloodstream directly and multiply there, it’s known as septicemic plague. When they’re left untreated, both bubonic and pneumonic plague can lead to septicemic plague. Pneumonic plague When the bacteria spread to or first infect the lungs, it’s known as pneumonic plague — the most lethal form of the disease. When someone with pneumonic plague coughs, the bacteria from their lungs are expelled into the air. Other people who breathe that air can also develop this highly contagious form of plague, which can lead to an epidemic. Pneumonic plague is the only form of the plague that can be transmitted from person to person.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Don't fancy it much no.

LIke i said through Antibiotics are for bacterial infections, don't do much to viruses.

They don't hand out Antibiotics much for mild infections the days down to the fact that people become immune.

The biggest implication of the Justinian plague wasn't necessarily the overall death toll, it was more the situation it left / caused for the following several hundred years.

For example, the Byzantine Empire had just retaken Africa and was in the middle of defeating the Persian Empire. The Plague devastated farmers (so food production was very badly hit) and the army (who couldn't replace troop losses). On the back of these issues, the Moors revolted and retook Northern Africa and then moved to Spain. The Arabs started to rise in the Middle East (Persians suffered similar problems to the Byzantines). This eventually led to Muhammed and Islam ripping through the Middle East and North Africa.

Italy had been reconquered by the Byzantines shorlty before the plague. However, lack of replacement troops meant they had to withdraw, allowing the Lombards into Italy. Basically, as Justinian was restoring order in the old Roman Empire, the plague ruined it and led to many smaller kingdoms and rivalries forming, which shaped Europe for centuries to come (and arguably still do).

a reply to: ras321

you are talking about changing the nature of humanity. That is among the largest feats that could ever be accomplished. We are a result of millions of years of evolution in a world of scarcity and tribal conflict. To live in harmony with the world around us would make us unique on the planet.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

The trick maybe not to stay on the planet.

We need to grow as a species and the world gets smaller every day.

After a while, the only way is up really.

Or stagnate and die down here on the vine fighting over ever-diminishing resources whilst squabbling about anthropomorphize deities that don't exactly pay us much heed but always want our monies.

I guess the choice is ours, we should probably make it whist our respective societies still have the legs to carry them imho.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

The trick maybe not to stay on the planet.

We need to grow as a species and the world gets smaller every day.

After a while, the only way is up really.

Or stagnate and die down here on the vine fighting over ever-diminishing resources whilst squabbling about anthropomorphize deities that don't exactly pay us much heed but always want our monies.

I guess the choice is ours, we should probably make it whist our respective societies still have the legs to carry them imho.

I am not convinced that the choice to leave Earth is actually ours to make. We have no evidence (beyond conjecture and conspiracy theory) that it is even possible. We have lots of dreams, though.

it could be that the best chance at "leaving Earth" we have is the technological singularity, where we all get uploaded into a mainframe.

But beyond our atmosphere, there just isn't any place that is hospitable to life beyond tardigrades and bacteria.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Seems a little arrogant mate when one considers we are only just beginning to understand what constitutes life down here on Earth.

The Universe is a big place bigfatfurrytexan.

I tend to see digital existence becoming some sort of a thing in the next 50 years.

Chances are we already are that thing of a sorts if the holographic principle holds weight.

a reply to: Flavian

Although smallpox is usually seen as the culprit, not too long after the spread of this plague, Japan lost 2/3 of its population in an epidemic. A minority view is that it was from an echo of the Justinian Plague rather than the pox.

Earth humans Not even lv 1 civilization .
LV one a species has the adility to use the resources of the planet without destroying the planet .

BUt even were we are we could get to another star if we know for a fact which star to go to .

Go to the asteroid belt find a nice big one hollow it out put every thing needed in it ( and the rest of the asteroid will act as extra supply's .

Put 100,000 people make laws that Hitler would envy then just fly for the next 150,000 years .
Its not the lak of teck that makes it impossible its how do you keep the people from killing each other off have only 2 kids each and Remember were they are going and why .

star trek original - For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky"