Riddle me this 2016 election was called at 2 am

In 2016, by around midnight, it was pretty evident that Hillary was doomed to loose and by 2 am Trump had over the magic 270 electoral votes.

www.theguardian.com...
"2.30am/7.30am This is the moment: Trump captures Wisconsin’s 10 electoral votes, putting him over the 270 threshold."

Fast forward to Tuesday, some States have been early voting for almost a month now. I early voted in Ohio on Oct 6. In Ohio, my ballot was scanned and the results were tabulated almost immediately (though not disclosed). So for most States, all these early voting results that are not "mail-in" or absentee are already counted. The election day vote in person turnout will probably be lighter than normal based on the number of early and remote voting that is happening. There should be very little problem in having very reliable numbers this year even earlier than previous years due to not having to actually wait for the in person voters. So at 7 pm when the polls close, the vast majority of results should be readily available. All it takes for those mail-in and absentee votes is to run them through a high speed scanner, that can be done very quickly as soon as the polls open on election day.

Point being, if anything, Trump will have clinched this by about 10 pm and we can all sleep like babies. MAGA!

a reply to: panoz77

I'm old and give out. I usually hit the bed around 9, if I haven't fallen asleep in my chair before then. On election night 2016, I stayed up until 3:30am watching Trump win. I honestly, fully expected to watch Trump loose and was very curious to see what he would say. it was a shock to see what happened.

I hope the election this year is just like that.

a reply to: panoz77

You are missing the entire point of what the Democratic party has put together for the election this year.

Our swing states, for instance, are just a bigger better Broward county now.

So the votes will come in, be counted...

And if there are not enough Democrat votes in key counties, they will be recounted, added to, changed, modified until the results the Democrats want happen.

In Broward that took a few days last time before they were shut down.

This will go on for days and days and days.... not even counting what Biden and the DNC's 600+ lawyers on the ground are going to be doing.

Also not counting any Republican legal issues/battles that will be waged in places with blatant voter fraud like Texas this time.

Unless there is an absolute massive red wave that can counteract what Democrats have done, of course.

A girl can dream.

originally posted by: panoz77
In 2016, by around midnight, it was pretty evident that Hillary was doomed to loose and by 2 am Trump had over the magic 270 electoral votes.

www.theguardian.com...
"2.30am/7.30am This is the moment: Trump captures Wisconsin’s 10 electoral votes, putting him over the 270 threshold."

Fast forward to Tuesday, some States have been early voting for almost a month now. I early voted in Ohio on Oct 6. In Ohio, my ballot was scanned and the results were tabulated almost immediately (though not disclosed). So for most States, all these early voting results that are not "mail-in" or absentee are already counted. The election day vote in person turnout will probably be lighter than normal based on the number of early and remote voting that is happening. There should be very little problem in having very reliable numbers this year even earlier than previous years due to not having to actually wait for the in person voters. So at 7 pm when the polls close, the vast majority of results should be readily available. All it takes for those mail-in and absentee votes is to run them through a high speed scanner, that can be done very quickly as soon as the polls open on election day.

Point being, if anything, Trump will have clinched this by about 10 pm and we can all sleep like babies. MAGA!

Not true some each state has different criteria for early and mail-in voting tabulations. California doesn't start till 8 pm 11/3 I assume that's PST. Hopefully we know but I there will likely be hiccups

ballotpedia.org...

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: panoz77
In 2016, by around midnight, it was pretty evident that Hillary was doomed to loose and by 2 am Trump had over the magic 270 electoral votes.

www.theguardian.com...
"2.30am/7.30am This is the moment: Trump captures Wisconsin’s 10 electoral votes, putting him over the 270 threshold."

Fast forward to Tuesday, some States have been early voting for almost a month now. I early voted in Ohio on Oct 6. In Ohio, my ballot was scanned and the results were tabulated almost immediately (though not disclosed). So for most States, all these early voting results that are not "mail-in" or absentee are already counted. The election day vote in person turnout will probably be lighter than normal based on the number of early and remote voting that is happening. There should be very little problem in having very reliable numbers this year even earlier than previous years due to not having to actually wait for the in person voters. So at 7 pm when the polls close, the vast majority of results should be readily available. All it takes for those mail-in and absentee votes is to run them through a high speed scanner, that can be done very quickly as soon as the polls open on election day.

Point being, if anything, Trump will have clinched this by about 10 pm and we can all sleep like babies. MAGA!

Not true some each state has different criteria for early and mail-in voting tabulations. California doesn't start till 8 pm 11/3 I assume that's PST. Hopefully we know but I there will likely be hiccups

ballotpedia.org...

I didn't say this was ubiquitous for EVERY State, yes States have slightly different rules. What exactly are you claiming that I said that was "NOT TRUE"?

Here is the full 2016 timeline in EST
www.theguardian.com...

"7.05pm (ET)/12.05am (GMT) The first projections are called by the Associated Press, and they follow the form guide. Trump wins Indiana and Kentucky, while Clinton takes Vermont. Vermont has voted solidly Democratic in every presidential election since 1988 and Kentucky similarly Republican since 1996.

10.39pm/3.39am A big win for Trump as he takes Ohio, the first swing state to be declared for the Republicans. He had led in the polls all along but Democrats made much in the final weeks of a possible victory. Voters in the state have correctly picked every single US president since 1964.

10.53pm/3.53am Trump’s path to the White House suddenly becomes a lot clearer, and Clinton’s a lot harder, as he takes the key battleground state of Florida and its 29 electoral votes.
Donald Trump wins presidential election, plunging US into uncertain future
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11.14pm/4.14am Trump wins North Carolina, dealing another blow to Clinton, who had looked strong in polling. The battleground state voted Democrat in 2008 and Republican in 2012. The Clinton camp now pins its fading hopes on claiming something from Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.

11.56pm/4.56am Trump’s apparent march towards the White House continues with victory in Utah. Ten minutes later he follows up by taking Iowa.

1.35am/6.35am Trump finally clinches Pennsylvania, another key battleground state, making his lead virtually unassailable. Clinton long viewed the state as a key part of her “firewall” and had held a rally Philadelphia with Barack Obama on Monday night. Trump is now at 264 electoral votes and ahead in counting in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Arizona, any of which makes him president.
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2.07am/7.07am Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager John Podesta refuses to concede defeat, telling supporters in New York: “Let’s get these votes counted and let’s bring this home.” But Trump’s victory is all but certain.

2.30am/7.30am This is the moment: Trump captures Wisconsin’s 10 electoral votes, putting him over the 270 threshold.

2.35am/7.35am US TV networks report that Hillary Clinton has rung Donald Trump to concede defeat. “They had maybe a one minute conversation, very gracious very warm, he commended her for being smart and tough and running a hard fought campaign,” Trump’s campaign manger Kellyanne Conway later explained.

2.50am/7.50am Trump takes to the stage in front of his jubilant supporters in New York. “Sorry to keep you waiting, complicated business,” he says. “Thank you very much.” He congratulates Clinton on a hard-fought campaign and pledges to be “a president for all Americans”.

7.20am/12.20pm Clinton may have lost the presidency, but she is ahead in the national popular vote at this stage, by 59,059,121 votes to Trump’s 58,935,231. The last person to win the popular vote but not the presidency was Al Gore in the 2000 election.

11.40am/4.40pm Clinton makes her concession speech at a Manhattan hotel. She tells her supporters: “We must accept this result ... Donald Trump is going to be our president ... we owe him an open mind and a chance to lead.”

12.19pm/5.19pm Barack Obama speaks. “It’s no secret the president-elect and I have some pretty significant differences,” he says. Nevertheless, he adds, we are all rooting for Trump to succeed."

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: panoz77

You are missing the entire point of what the Democratic party has put together for the election this year.

Our swing states, for instance, are just a bigger better Broward county now.

So the votes will come in, be counted...

And if there are not enough Democrat votes in key counties, they will be recounted, added to, changed, modified until the results the Democrats want happen.

In Broward that took a few days last time before they were shut down.

This will go on for days and days and days.... not even counting what Biden and the DNC's 600+ lawyers on the ground are going to be doing.

Also not counting any Republican legal issues/battles that will be waged in places with blatant voter fraud like Texas this time.

Unless there is an absolute massive red wave that can counteract what Democrats have done, of course.

A girl can dream.

Exactly, they've been laying the ground work to challenge results and manufacture votes.

Numbers are a lie. You cant trust the media in any story for anything. The numbers are a lie. I'm going to trust that the silent majority like last time. Will wait till the 3rd and after work to vote.

a reply to: Lumenari

Michigan and Wisconsin can only count ballots that are there on election day .Penn gets 3 days and I think North Carolina gets 9 . Besides legal battles I think Joe will concede around Nov 5th

specifically this quote

"So for most States, all these early voting results that are not "mail-in" or absentee are already counted"

some states don't even differentiate early voting from mail-in and Ohio happens to be only one of 5 states that allow early tabulations of any sort of those states only Ohio would be considered a possible battleground state. 16 states have restrictions where they can not begin tabulations until at least 7 pm local time.

originally posted by: 10uoutlaw
a reply to: Lumenari

Michigan and Wisconsin can only count ballots that are there on election day .Penn gets 3 days and I think North Carolina gets 9 . Besides legal battles I think Joe will concede around Nov 5th

The point being, all these early votes can be run through a scanner on election day very quickly. THAT'S THE POINT. They will have faster results than in 2016, or at least they should. The number of mail-in votes arriving after Nov. 3 should be a tiny percentage, like so tiny to be negligible (unless there is massive cheating).

originally posted by: putnam6
specifically this quote

"So for most States, all these early voting results that are not "mail-in" or absentee are already counted"

some states don't even differentiate early voting from mail-in and Ohio happens to be only one of 5 states that allow early tabulations of any sort of those states only Ohio would be considered a possible battleground state. 16 states have restrictions where they can not begin tabulations until at least 7 pm local time.

If votes are scanned in, they have been tabulated by a computer. Are you saying if you early vote "on paper" in some states, they just put them in a pile until Nov 3??? I would think most States have some electronic counting system in place, whether it be the voting machine or a scanner. Ohio has had some type of electronic record in place for some time now.

originally posted by: panoz77

originally posted by: putnam6
specifically this quote

"So for most States, all these early voting results that are not "mail-in" or absentee are already counted"

some states don't even differentiate early voting from mail-in and Ohio happens to be only one of 5 states that allow early tabulations of any sort of those states only Ohio would be considered a possible battleground state. 16 states have restrictions where they can not begin tabulations until at least 7 pm local time.

If votes are scanned in, they have been tabulated by a computer. Are you saying if you early vote "on paper" in some states, they just put them in a pile until Nov 3??? I would think most States have some electronic counting system in place, whether it be the voting machine or a scanner. Ohio has had some type of electronic record in place for some time now.

Not trying to be an azz LOL it comes natural for me LOL but did you read the link? unless there is some new regulations from COVID

I didn't know either and it was why I did some research and yes I know I have no life either

ballotpedia.org...

here's another stating just what I posted


Search domain thefulcrum.us/voting/when-are-absentee-ballots-countedthefulcrum.us...
In two-thirds of the states — including most battlegrounds — election officials can't start tabulating mailed ballots until Election Day, or in some cases until after the polls close. This means those millions of votes won't get counted as soon as the millions of votes cast in person — and Election Day will stretch into Election Week, or longer.

The 2020 election will end up clogging the courts and probably even the Supreme Court 😆

originally posted by: xuenchen
The 2020 election will end up clogging the courts and probably even the Supreme Court 😆

I hope not, the dangling chad of 2000 was bad enough. This would likely detrimental to America's psyche big time, we need a landslide, something obvious and not in dispute.

The problem is people have been voting for a month. They vote, they get confirmation their ballot has been received and then go on about their lives. The Dems now have a month to spend every day counting how many ballots have been received and then tabulating or registering a different ballot with the votes they want in place of each one.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: panoz77

originally posted by: putnam6
specifically this quote

"So for most States, all these early voting results that are not "mail-in" or absentee are already counted"

some states don't even differentiate early voting from mail-in and Ohio happens to be only one of 5 states that allow early tabulations of any sort of those states only Ohio would be considered a possible battleground state. 16 states have restrictions where they can not begin tabulations until at least 7 pm local time.

If votes are scanned in, they have been tabulated by a computer. Are you saying if you early vote "on paper" in some states, they just put them in a pile until Nov 3??? I would think most States have some electronic counting system in place, whether it be the voting machine or a scanner. Ohio has had some type of electronic record in place for some time now.

Not trying to be an azz LOL it comes natural for me LOL but did you read the link? unless there is some new regulations from COVID

I didn't know either and it was why I did some research and yes I know I have no life either

ballotpedia.org...

here's another stating just what I posted


Search domain thefulcrum.us/voting/when-are-absentee-ballots-countedthefulcrum.us...
In two-thirds of the states — including most battlegrounds — election officials can't start tabulating mailed ballots until Election Day, or in some cases until after the polls close. This means those millions of votes won't get counted as soon as the millions of votes cast in person — and Election Day will stretch into Election Week, or longer.

The computers are storing the information, I agree it can't be accessed by election officials, that doesn't mean the information isn't being stored electronically waiting for download on election day.

originally posted by: panoz77

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: panoz77

originally posted by: putnam6
specifically this quote

"So for most States, all these early voting results that are not "mail-in" or absentee are already counted"

some states don't even differentiate early voting from mail-in and Ohio happens to be only one of 5 states that allow early tabulations of any sort of those states only Ohio would be considered a possible battleground state. 16 states have restrictions where they can not begin tabulations until at least 7 pm local time.

If votes are scanned in, they have been tabulated by a computer. Are you saying if you early vote "on paper" in some states, they just put them in a pile until Nov 3??? I would think most States have some electronic counting system in place, whether it be the voting machine or a scanner. Ohio has had some type of electronic record in place for some time now.

Not trying to be an azz LOL it comes natural for me LOL but did you read the link? unless there is some new regulations from COVID

I didn't know either and it was why I did some research and yes I know I have no life either

ballotpedia.org...

here's another stating just what I posted


Search domain thefulcrum.us/voting/when-are-absentee-ballots-countedthefulcrum.us...
In two-thirds of the states — including most battlegrounds — election officials can't start tabulating mailed ballots until Election Day, or in some cases until after the polls close. This means those millions of votes won't get counted as soon as the millions of votes cast in person — and Election Day will stretch into Election Week, or longer.

The computers are storing the information, I agree it can't be accessed by election officials, that doesn't mean the information isn't being stored electronically waiting for download on election day.

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It's literally on the front page of ballotpedia.com
Seventeen states allow officials to begin counting absentee ballots before Election day and if you click on it, it will show you each state's rules.

Of those 17 states, only 4 would be considered "battleground"or "toss-up" states Florida, Texas, Arizona, and North Carolina

as 11/1/2020

Florida still has 1,416,961 mail-in ballots yet to be returned
Texas does not give out how many ballots were requested but it has received 973,083 so far, an estimated guess would be 700,000 to 1,000,000 still out there
Arizona has a little over 1,000,000 requested ballots not returned yet
North Carolina has over 500,000 requested ballots still not received

Those 4 states alone have 83 electoral votes and I would not be surprised if one or all of those states end up being contested, and those are ones that can start early counting.

Ohio your state and another battleground has over 300,000 mail-in ballots not received yet along with other toss-up states
Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Michigan can at least begin counting on 11/3.

To me, that looks like a long night and possibly the next day or 3. especially with all the outstanding ballots in battleground states. Let's remember the Democrats still don't really know who won the Iowa caucus.
ballotpedia.org...

When states can begin processing and counting absentee/mail-in ballots

In 17 states, statutes or 2020-specific rules allow for absentee/mail-in counting to begin before Election Day

In 16 states, statutes or 2020-specific rules allow for absentee/mail-in counting to begin on Election Day before polls close:

In 17 states, statutes or 2020-specific rules say absentee/mail-in ballots cannot be counted until after polls close on Election Day or have that effect:

33 states by law can not start counting the ballots till 11/3

a reply to: panoz77

ok fine

a reply to: putnam6

You are assuming that every requested ballot is going to be filled out and returned, not the case. Which is precisely the reason why letting ballots not potmarked by election day be counted is ripe for fraud and cheating.