And So It Begins in UK

Look`s a bit like Stasi has reborn , this time in UK , thanks to Tory MPs . Was this all along the plan why they wanted Brexit ? Because the EU might not agree with this kind of legislation , or at least not with this speed ? They seem to have big hurry now . Should the goverment Job be the very opposite, take care and help it`s citizens ....and not terrorize/murder them if they dont happen to agree goverment ideology ?



The Tories have passed a bill giving the government powers to legally murder their political opponents. Yes, seriously

Tory MPs have passed an extraordinary piece of legislation which effectively hands the UK government and various state actors sweeping powers to commit serious crimes against their political opponents – including torture and even murder – without facing any legal repercussions whatsoever.

The official description of the bill is to “authorise conduct by officials and agents of the security and intelligence services, law enforcement, and certain other public authorities, which would otherwise constitute criminality.” The government say that the bill is to put into formal legislation a previously secret power known as the “Third Direction” – an unofficial directive which allows covert state actors, such as MI5 operatives or undercover police officers, to break the law if they believe their actions will prevent a threat to national security or stop another serious crime from happening.

However, critics of the bill – including human rights organisations, opposition MPs, and even a number of Tory MPs themselves – have claimed the legislation is “rushed“, “ill-thought through“, and effectively hands the government a “licence to kill” whoever they want for any reason they see fit.

Whilst similar laws exist in both Canada and the USA to allow state actors to commit crimes in order to maintain national security, the legislation in both of these countries explicitly excludes certain serious crimes such as murder and torture.

However, the Tories’ Covert Human Intelligence Bill makes no such stipulations – placing “no specific limitations on the type of criminal activity that may be authorised”.

Oh my...

a reply to: Kenzo

It looks like when these sort of laws are passed its a sign of desperation.They only exacerbate the problems that they are supposed to solve, like a lot of laws.

a reply to: Kenzo
In other words, James Bond's "license to kill" the agents of SMERSH was based on reality, previously on an informal and secret basis, and now made formal and open.

Doesn't it occur to you that if they really intended to act as a nightmarish tyranny, they would haee been content to keep it at the secret level? If they are making public what was previously secret, this is the "transparency" that everybody is supposed to want.

a reply to: anonentity


Maybe so , a sign of desperation..


I also think that in many countrys , politicians who made huge mistakes handling whole covid, it might be for them impossible to confess the errors, because it would kill their careers . So they continue the whole theatre also trying to save their own asses .

a reply to: DISRAELI


Maybe it`s bullying public ? A kind of psy war ? They let people know, they have rights to act using those kind of measures...in other words, scaring public ?


I am not from UK so , my wiews should be taked with grain of salt .

a reply to: Kenzo

Just more ill thought out, rushed and not fit-for-purpose legislation that typifies this current administration and its knee-jerk reactions.

Boris and his team have no cohesive, joined together and proactive plan for this country and every single bill they get passed through parliament reeks of panic and are incredibly ill prepared.

But they get passed because such is the nature of our out-dated party political system that puts party affiliation and personal advancement before personal conviction and the well being and interests of this country and its people.

a reply to: Freeborn

Yeeh, well similar seems to be situation in many other countrys too. The MPs have forgotton their primary mission, and they just every Year raise their MP salary, when specially now many people get poorer . The system need`s recalibration.

a reply to: Kenzo

A friend of mine who has long since stopped posting on here used to say we needed a 'full system re-boot', a sort of 'revert to factory settings'.

Their arrogance knows no ends yet one of the things I've learnt over the years is that these people in positions of power and influence are certainly no more intelligent than your average run-of-the-mill sort of guy.

Yet 'we' allow them to moralise and dictate to us on almost everything.

Its time we put a stop to it.

a reply to: Freeborn

a reply to: Kenzo

I have no doubt that Brexit is a chance for the Tories to rewrite the rule book, one of the reasons I've been opposed to it since day 1

a reply to: Kenzo

Speaking as somebody who is old enough to remember the Stasi ... this isn't even close. These are simply regular ordinary security powers that a lot of countries have. It's just putting things that Britain has had since WWII into public law rather than the private security laws. It's no big deal.

If anything this actually weakens the security laws because they're now open to public scrutiny.

My own observation is that the problem isn't usually with laws like this, its with governments that abuse them, and the current British government doesn't seem the type to do very much at all with these laws.

Essentially, it means that if a radical Islamist group plots to bomb somewhere, and the police have an undercover agent in their group, that agent can shoot them before they plant the bomb, rather than arresting them afterwards.

originally posted by: djz3ro
a reply to: Kenzo

I have no doubt that Brexit is a chance for the Tories to rewrite the rule book, one of the reasons I've been opposed to it since day 1

Other people might argue that this was a good thing, and that the rule book was in dire need of rewriting in order to bring it up to date in order to face modern threats and situations, and that by opposing it your really standing in the way of desperately needed reforms.

In other words, you're not a brave rebel standing up against the new world order, you're a remnant of the old regime desperately clinging to the past.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

There are obvious benefits to this, it means undercover cops are now allowed to break the law to maintain their cover but it is too open for abuse, as you say.

Scaremongering again! All this bill does is put into writing what activities can and can’t be done for example a straight lift “ This Bill does not provide a ‘license to kill’ ” there has always been Legislation allowing participation in crime this just puts it more on a legal footing so courts can decide lawful or not

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: DISRAELI


Maybe it`s bullying public ? A kind of psy war ? They let people know, they have rights to act using those kind of measures...in other words, scaring public ?


I am not from UK so , my wiews should be taked with grain of salt .

Or maybe they are just being transparent?
Basically nothing has really changed, so your headline is really not correct.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Kenzo

A friend of mine who has long since stopped posting on here used to say we needed a 'full system re-boot', a sort of 'revert to factory settings'.

Their arrogance knows no ends yet one of the things I've learnt over the years is that these people in positions of power and influence are certainly no more intelligent than your average run-of-the-mill sort of guy.

Yet 'we' allow them to moralise and dictate to us on almost everything.

Its time we put a stop to it.

The people who go into and succeed at politics have a different kind of intelligence to the average human being. They are Machiavellian and manipulative.

a reply to: UKTruth

The thing is, this legislation is intended to formalise what has been working practice for years.
The intention is to protect operatives from prosecution in the future.

No problem with that, unfortunately its simply how the world works.

But, and here's the problem, in typical fashion this government have rushed things through and the wording is very ambiguous and open to interpretation....and abuse.
No attention to detail and just more reactive legislation that reflects the scatter gun approach of this administration and their lack of any sort of joined up, proactive plan on how to move this country forward.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: UKTruth

The thing is, this legislation is intended to formalise what has been working practice for years.
The intention is to protect operatives from prosecution in the future.

No problem with that, unfortunately its simply how the world works.

But, and here's the problem, in typical fashion this government have rushed things through and the wording is very ambiguous and open to interpretation....and abuse.
No attention to detail and just more reactive legislation that reflects the scatter gun approach of this administration and their lack of any sort of joined up, proactive plan on how to move this country forward.

I doubt it is rushed.
The lack of attention to detail will have been a very deliberate decision IMO.
These people are not stupid or incompetent. They know exactly what they are doing - manipulating the system in order to weild more power.

a reply to: UKTruth

The people who go into and succeed at politics have a different kind of intelligence to the average human being. They are Machiavellian and manipulative.

Once over I would have agreed with that but my 55 years on this earth has brought me to another conclusion; the majority of them are absolute #ing idiots and its the puppet masters who have the intelligence.

And I don't think they are particularly intelligent.

We do most of their job for them by allowing them to get away with the impression they project that they are all knowing, all controlling etc.
Its the positions they have that grant them the opportunity to manipulate and control, take that away from them and they'd struggle like # to survive in the real world that we mere plebs have to exist in......and it is just a subsistence level existence for far too many.

We need to deconstruct the illusion that these Machiaveliian characters are somehow deserving of this privileged position and to smash the glass ceiling that has been strengthened and re-enforced under current and recent governments/administrations once and for all.

It wasn't debated enough and shouldn't have passed IMO but the article is a load of nonsense. There's no 'licence to kill' as the laws state actions/operations cannot break the Human Rights Act which states the government must protect life/lives, there wont be any murder, torture, false imprisonment etc... though the government want to scrap HRA so it could be a potential in the future.

Actual political assasinations have always been carried out by front companies like Armor Group PLC rather than undeer the name MI5/GS18 to avoid public scrutiny and legal oversight.

The only real change in the legislation is agents and undercovers will have a legal defense for certain crimes their training has intructed them to do for the last few decades (i.e if working on busting a major drugs ring they're allowed to use drugs if offered if they think refusing to do so puts their life or the investigation in danger; distributing extremist literature to infiltrate potential terror cells etc.