Never underestimate what could happen .

originally posted by: bigsnowman
The only real power is money, and the people who have it benefit too strongly from capitalism for a "socialist revolution" to ever be a real threat.

You are clearly not a student of history.

Who had all the money in the midst of the French Revolution? The peasants or aristocracy?

How about during the Bolshevik Revolution? How'd having all the dough turn out for the Tsar and his nobility?

What were the driving factors of "The Long March" during the Chinese Communist Revolution? (hint: Mao wasn't being slowed down dragging bags of loot)

How much larger, how many factors of 10x greater, was the US GDP than Vietnam during the 60's?

History shows that $$$ != power in most times of political upheaval.

None of that matters anyways as it concerns our current predicament. If were US-based Marxist (e.g. BLM) during the present time, I would be asking myself 2 questions:

* IF there were a US schism and the Republic dissolved....what likely nation would step into the chaos and seize control?
* IF that other nation were to gain power in the US...what demographic groups would be the first into the ditch (HINT: see plight of ethnic minority Uyghurs and how they are being systematically taken out)

Some among us would welcome our new overlords with open arms. Ironically they wouldn't be around very long to witness the aftermath, and would likely be the first to go.

originally posted by: bigsnowman
The only real power is money, and the people who have it benefit too strongly from capitalism for a "socialist revolution" to ever be a real threat.

Is that a joke? First of all, the US isn't even capitalist, it is a plutocracy, an oligarchy, or if you want to use John Perkins' terms, a "corporatocracy".

Second of all, socialism benefits those at the top even more because they can consolidate power and "own the means of production". Just look at "communist" China where the wealth and power of the elite has only grown as the government clamps down more on the common citizens.

I don't think you truly grasp the dangers of socialism in America, and if you've been paying attention it's already here.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

good post, thanks for sharing those insights

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

good post, thanks for sharing those insights

Thanks, you as well, seems our thinking is aligned on this matter.

Our British PM Boris has just announced he's putting the army on the streets Something is really not right here, but maybe it's a good thing as I get the feel around here that riots are imminent with his new statements today on taking away more of our our freedoms of movement.

Oh dear, I dunno............. Just wish I was raving away in 1995 to this song which is free free free dom in everyway www.youtube.com...

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No matter what you think is coming, we Americans will get through it all and freedom will be victorious. It's probably a good idea not to pay attention to all the talking heads. There really is a silent majority that won't just let anything happen in our streets for our homes. That's something you can bet on. Let go of the fear. That's how they control you.

a reply to: vance

I appreciate the sentiment, but I think many of us agree that the writing is on the wall regarding the election, and how regardless of the outcome the election will be challenged, voided, or something similar which will inevitably result in reaching fever pitch and massive civil unrest

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

We agree on much .

Escpecially the bits about the middle class , and I'm pretty sure they will not pull off this little coup with out atleast some support from the middle class.

As for there being a difference between Socialism and Communism , on that we disagree .

Chew them down to the bone there the same.

originally posted by: quix0tic
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

There will be a lot of whining and controversy but I'm sure the election will be functional and honored. It's really all we've got left.

As for the protests, those are going to be there for a long time. What would make BLM and the radical left protest groups decide to pack their bags and go back to normal life? I can't see any realistic scenario that would collectively satisfy and satiate them into retiring the movement. They feel like they have a pass now.

Will black lives still matter if their candidate wins the presidency?

Im not so sure about that quix0.

If this election does not go the way they want it , things could get ugly very quickly.

originally posted by: vance
No matter what you think is coming, we Americans will get through it all and freedom will be victorious. It's probably a good idea not to pay attention to all the talking heads. There really is a silent majority that won't just let anything happen in our streets for our homes. That's something you can bet on. Let go of the fear. That's how they control you.

I'm sure the Romans thought the exact same thing when the Goths were at there gates.

Little did they know.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Your post hits the nail on the head I think..

But also, Trump, Biden, even people like AOC will not suffer the same consequences by wiping out the middle class. They will be protected regardless...

It's just us I guess. How to even fight back at this point?

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I'm not sure I made a distinction between the two (communism and socialism). I think I would tend to agree; they are one and the same.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I'm not sure I made a distinction between the two (communism and socialism). I think I would tend to agree; they are one and the same.

Your right I mis-read , My mistake.

To elaborate more on my feeling of a fracture in the History of the USA .

The American Revolution began in 1775 thus marking the beginning of our great nation , Less than one hundred years later 1865 the Civil War threatened to tear our country in two. And for a short while it did .

Now here we are 2020 about to be 2021 over 150 years later , Something drastic is coming and I hate that African Americans are at the core of it I wish that Black people could see they apart of this nation just like anyone else . This constant need to place them selves on the outs acting the victims is troubling . I never thought that African Americans would be so easily manipulated , it's genius really because the rest of the country feels this misplaced shame so we dont wanna say or do what needs to be done.

A revolution built on Shame, Guilt and Victimizing who has ever heard of such a thing , A revolution is supposed to be built on Unity , Change , Strength and over all bettering of the nation.

The big challenge for America will be winning back the country from Marxists who have all but secured a win in the election. Once Trump is gone and Biden installed, Biden will either be taking orders or removed in favour of Harris. Then the pain begins - the middle class will be wiped out. The American dream will be well and truly dead.
With the level of corruption and election fraud that will ensue, unseating the Marxists this time around will be near impossible.
Violent revolution will likely be the only way and then it all comes down to who the military support. In my view, it is unlikely that the true nature of the Marxists will ever be fully revealed to the masses because the media is already bought and paid for - and the censorship of any dissenting voices will be accelerated. The military will tow the line.
The only reason Hitler lost power is because he went to war. He could have ruled Germany until his death because of the systems he put in place to control the people, from secret police to propaganda. Stalin ruled until his death.
I have little sympathy for Americans, in truth, they let all this happen and sat idly by watching NFL from their couches as their country was undermined.
You reap what you sew.

I don’t think it’s as bad as you’re making it out to be. I get that the Democrat threats are getting under peoples skin, but that doesn’t mean we should resort to doom pr0n.

America, for the most part, has been coming along rather nicely, even with all the targeted protest in Democrat cities, the rest of America? Fine.

No doubt fraud will be rampant, but with increased election security, Trump will not just sit idly by. For all intents and purposes, Trump has already won November, it’s just reaching that date.

Do me a favor and read this link from Rasmussen, okay?

www.rasmussenreports.com...

Here are a few excerpts...

Interestingly, 22 percent of surveyed blacks said they are voting for Trump. In 2016, Trump received 8.4 percent of the black vote. Imagine if he was to double or triple that percentage. Black voters are part of the traditional Democrat base, and Trump is chipping away at them. Within his own base, Trump is at 87 percent approval among Republicans, higher than Reagan or either of the Bushes, only Eisenhower scoring one point higher back in the 1950s..

Other metrics beyond polls should also be noted as they cast a favorable glow on Trump’s chances of reelection. How about crowds and enthusiasm? Trump rallies are back, attendees lining up the day before, the venue full and many more watching from the overflow area. In contrast, Biden “rallies” consist of a half-dozen reporters sitting widely spaced apart in painted circles. Biden’s cognition remains problematic. Trump can speak for over an hour, on or off the teleprompter, serious then funny, humble then poking the media, all highly entertaining while connecting with his audience. Biden in contrast needs a teleprompter even to answer prearranged interview questions.,

Democrats and the media have been hurling October surprises at Trump for four years. Recent ones include The Atlantic story, unverified, and now walked back by the editor. Bob Woodward’s book is a dud, occupying the news cycle for a few days then being tossed into the same closet where Stormy, Avenatti and Omarosa sit in crumpled piles of yesterday’s news.

From the virus and shutdowns to riots and now fires, Trump and his inner circle are far more prepared for such curveballs compared to 2016 when he was a complete outsider with only a skeleton campaign staff. He has likely gamed out every scenario from mail-in ballots to civil unrest to a contested election result to Biden dropping out of the race at the last minute.[b/]

OP, the Dems can try whatever and the media optics will amplify it. We are ready and watching, as anything we have learned on ATS and our little pockets of cyber space.

a reply to: Arnie123

Arnie, I don't think you are fully prepared for the level of election fraud coming.
America is asleep. Heck, the courts in WI just ruled that mail-in ballots can be counted 3 days after the election - even without a post mark. Most Americans don't even know that election night is no longer going to be election night!
There is no possible way Trump is winning Wisconsin and that same process is going to play out in key swing states.

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Arnie123

Arnie, I don't think you are fully prepared for the level of election fraud coming.
America is asleep. Heck, the courts in WI just ruled that mail-in ballots can be counted 3 days after the election - even without a post mark. Most Americans don't even know that election night is no longer going to be election night!
There is no possible way Trump is winning Wisconsin and that same process is going to play out in key swing states.

I beg to differ and I don’t think you fully understand just what’s at stake here.

I think I made it abundantly clear that Trump will not sit idly by. You literally do yourself a massive disservice by suggesting that because while voter fraud does happen, it happens because it’s been caught and investigated. If an election is won by fraud, it’ll be found out and go to the Supreme Court.

You literally underestimate this, it’s beyond election fraud should such a think happen, it’ll get dragged out and destroy any purpose beyond its original intentions by the orchestrators.

It does no one any good.

Also, all this is assumed that the previous electoral map remains the same. We’ll be fine.

a reply to: Arnie123

That sounds great on face value, but how many blacks replied to the surveys? It reminds me of the "polls" in 2016 that said Hillary had a 97% chance of winning the election

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: Arnie123

That sounds great on face value, but how many blacks replied to the surveys? It reminds me of the "polls" in 2016 that said Hillary had a 97% chance of winning the election

I don’t put faith in poll either, but Rasmussen has been pretty “tight” on all this and has been my indicator for much and many things. Whatever it shows, you’ll see reflecting from Democrats. -

This excerpt from it is perfect for you actually,

Many view public opinion polls with well-deserved skepticism. Most polls aim to influence rather than reflect public opinion. Instead of surveying likely voters, many query whoever answers the phone, whether or not they are registered or likely voters. Many polls over-sample Democrats, skewing poll results in favor of the Democrat candidate. Rasmussen Reports, the most accurate poll ahead of the 2016 presidential election, in their Daily Presidential Tracking Poll shows Trump with a total approval of 52 percent on September 16, two points ahead of Barack Obama eight years ago when he was cruising to reelection.

originally posted by: deckdel
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I completely agree with OP.

I suspect massive election fraud by the left, mail ballots - and delaying vote count, and even in that process (adding fraudulent mail ballots), they aim at securing full success.

AND this if discovered in such an extent, that election results are voided and/or new election would be required... the situation becomes as volatile as it can in peace time ever get.

What I am at the same time concerned is the marxist drive to violence, with Chinese funding these ops - The Left, marxists, Chines CCP, are the real enemy and are inside the USA already. They do not want open war. What they want is the collapse of the ability to govern. The massive election fraud, voiding election results, violent mayhem following it, is the platform for this revolution.

They want the fraud, they want it discovered, they want the election results voided. It is their new dawn.

The Democratic leadership does not even themselves fully understand who they are sleeping with. But, the road ahead is gloomy as hell.

Hey guys you guys worry too much man.

Nothing is going to happen after the elections.

Although Biden might end up winning nothing is going to really take place in the major cities.

there's a reason currently why many US forces overseas are returning back to the States.

If you think president Trump is going to let the cities fall after the election regardless who wins,. He's not going to let the cities burn that I will guarantee you.

Trump's greatest fear is having blood on his hands and that's the truth is one of very few presidents through American history that does not have blood on his hands and that is why the opposition hates him because he's clean as a whistle when it comes to having blood on his hands.

The Chinese government understands that not having blood on your hands is a weakness of strength and that is why president Trump has to be very strong about not having blood on his hands because through that type of weakness according to the Chinese way of thinking is President's only chance of being a strong leader and I hope he doesn't give in after the elections.