The Conspiracy behind the mass beliefs of US vs. Europe

At one point I sided with Europeans, but lately they have been showing their true colors and it really bothers me that I didn't notice it before. The United States did not have any solid justification in attacking Iraq and was a miserable failure in intelligence along with the conflict of interest with the Bush cabinet being oil people. All of this piled up equals to the stinch similiar to placing a 1000 cattle being placed in one acre.
Although lately I loathe, dislike, and find the European ego and naive way of life detestable. They are so couped up in the idea of the world being a perfect place of harmony that anytime the harsh realities of life come into to play they instinctively go hide in a closet while a burgular steals the establishment that they claim to be so sacred. They say that the United States and the coalition is breaching the contract of human rights set forth by the United Nations but am I wrong when I say war is war?
The product of war is murder, torture, and imposing decrees which the nobility of Europe would find so detestable but if they ever had to defend themselves than they'd enforce the same measures. Europe is still the hipocritical, snotty nosed, pimple poping teenager it always has been. Europe is a great place of idealist, naive, and pompous tea sipping, wine drinking, ignorant people. It's hard for them to grasp the realistic nature of the world because they only see the cup of milk half-full when its empty.
The political conspiracy is the mass juxtaposition of propaganda in both the United States and Europe by the 1% income gainers in both continents vieing to increase thier riches through policies enacted. Each side was and is still perhaps waging propaganda wars to seize on the monetary value of differing idealism, beliefs, values, etc.

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Originally posted by National Security Agency
At one point I sided with Europeans, but lately they have been showing their true colors and it really bothers me that I didn't notice it before.

Although lately I loathe, dislike, and find the European ego and naive way of life detestable. They are so couped up in the idea of the world being a perfect place of harmony that anytime the harsh realities of life come into to play they instinctively go hide in a closet while a burgular steals the establishment that they claim to be so sacred.

Europe is still the hipocritical, snotty nosed, pimple poping teenager it always has been. Europe is a great place of idealist, naive, and pompous tea sipping, wine drinking, ignorant p-icks. It's hard for them to grasp the realistic nature of the world because they only see the cup of milk half-full when its empty.

Cheers!


I Like it, kind of like one of them zits that you just can't wait to pop to relieve the pressure, you know?

how the hell can you call Europeans idiots when Americans are stupid enough to let their nation to what it is today.

Patriot act... now you have the ID cards which will lead to the chip... dude, america is the ignorant one.. not Europe.

Originally posted by Novusordo
how the hell can you call Europeans idiots when Americans are stupid enough to let their nation to what it is today.

Patriot act... now you have the ID cards which will lead to the chip... dude, america is the ignorant one.. not Europe.

Hmm I have no ID card accept my social security been around all my 36 years and my drivers license (since I was 15) National ID card? I am not saying it wont happen, but it hasn't yet.

hahahahahahaha!!!




NSA, thank you for making me laugh! What a funny post!!!

Yes, we europeans know that some you americans are jealous of what we have, so you have to pick on us to make yourselves feel better. Just like a highschool bully. But don't worry, you'll grow up someday, mature, get out of the highschool into real life and all that.
Until then, keep us amused with posts like these

Originally posted by Novusordo
how the hell can you call Europeans idiots when Americans are stupid enough to let their nation to what it is today.

Patriot act... now you have the ID cards which will lead to the chip... dude, america is the ignorant one.. not Europe.

An example of successful propaganda. Europeans believe Americans are stupid because of propaganda.

Originally posted by National Security Agency

Originally posted by Novusordo
how the hell can you call Europeans idiots when Americans are stupid enough to let their nation to what it is today.

Patriot act... now you have the ID cards which will lead to the chip... dude, america is the ignorant one.. not Europe.

An example of successful propaganda. Europeans believe Americans are stupid because of propaganda.

And Americans believe they're not.



Boo to this thread of generalizations.

Originally posted by National Security Agency
An example of successful propaganda. Europeans believe Americans are stupid because of propaganda.

Bah.........this is both an inaccurate and incomplete logic statement. Allow me............

An example of successful propaganda..........

Some Europeans believe that Americans are stupid because of propaganda.

Some Americans believe that Europeans are stupid because of propaganda.

Some Americans and Europeans think each other stupid for reasons other than propaganda.

The smart ones see this thread and correct general statements that, realistically, have no relevance anywhere..............

This is called polarisation!!!

In politics, polarization is the process by which the public opinion divides and goes to the extremes. It can also refer to when the extreme factions of a political party gain dominance in a party. In either case moderate voices often find that they have lost power. It may be one of the first steps to a civil war.

We have to stop this on ATS as soon as possible.

Those who have access to RATS, please read or reread this thread

Originally posted by TheBandit795
This is called polarisation!!!

In politics, polarization is the process by which the public opinion divides and goes to the extremes. It can also refer to when the extreme factions of a political party gain dominance in a party. In either case moderate voices often find that they have lost power. It may be one of the first steps to a civil war.

We have to stop this on ATS as soon as possible.

Those who have access to RATS, please read or reread this thread

Perhaps, if what you have sequestered away in RATS is that important to our well being and continuance, you might ought to consider declassifying it and letting those of us who do not have enough points to get int RATS to read it and take heed?

Just a thought. Otherwise, folks like myself will continue on until we either finally learn the secret or are banned ... Whichever comes first I guess. Something like that seems elitist and really, really unecessary.

However, I do not think you will be able to stop polarization. Relevance be damned (thanks MemoryShock). People have feelings and are going to relate to them more often in this day and age than not.

The whole world is becoming more and more polarized, race, national origin, creed, sex, religious preference. All those things that we swore to overlook in those halcyon days of the 60s and 70s. Maybe our generation was too shortsighted. Maybe we ended up selling out.. After all, there are very few hippies left (no financial future in it Couldn't afford my Vette), and very little free love (too easy to catch something fatal). Maybe we just didn't have a plan either. Or maybe ... We were just as confused then as we all are now.

It's funny... I used to live in England, Finchingfield in Essex to be exact. I loved that country, I love the English and had a great affinity for learning the language. Still have some very good friends and a couple of God Children over there. We used to laugh at each others foibles. You should have been there the first time I bar-b-que'd burgers and served iced tea!

You should have been there the first time I had treacle, steak and kidney pie, or tomato and cheese sandwich washed down with the black. I was the token "Mad Yank".

I will never forget the time I was running amuk in Europe, stopped and waiting at a non-descript train station whereupon I saw a very lovely young lady with a suit case with a Union Jack sewed in place. I came up to her and said, "Oh good! You speak English!"

Reply: 'Not very well Yank, but infinitely better than you".


I always assumed I had earned that and still laugh about it to this day. However, now it is easier to slam on each other, belittle each other, and point out each others "obvious" faults. Guess I'm curious as to when we all quit talking and who is responsible for it. Why are we all living in our own "Sphere of fear"?

Really sad, and I'm afraid it does not bode well for the "All of us".

While Europe has certainly seen its share of death and destruction trough the centuries its obvious USA has a long way to go before reaching any type of sane conclusion on how to deal with fellow human beings.

There is plenty of room for improvement on both sides of the atlantic, while Europe is cancerous by itself down to the root, USA is acting just plane old crazy.

thats about it if i generalize everything

Originally posted by sigung86Perhaps, if what you have sequestered away in RATS is that important to our well being and continuance, you might ought to consider declassifying it and letting those of us who do not have enough points to get int RATS to read it and take heed?

Just a thought. Otherwise, folks like myself will continue on until we either finally learn the secret or are banned ... Whichever comes first I guess. Something like that seems elitist and really, really unecessary.

No, it's not like that. A thread will come out in the open about polarization soon though. I might start one myself. usually we don't move threads out of RATS. RATS is not an elitist forum, but one from which the threads do not appear in google for different reasons.

However, I do not think you will be able to stop polarization. Relevance be damned (thanks MemoryShock). People have feelings and are going to relate to them more often in this day and age than not.

I think you're right. It's the new plague of mankind, and it's getting more deeply ingrained in our society. So more and more of it is seeping into our forum. Personally I don't know what to do about it, because other methods to stop it have not worked. The originators of this plague are chuckling in secret.

Or maybe ... We were just as confused then as we all are now.

I don't think that there was ever a time when we were not confused.

Really sad, and I'm afraid it does not bode well for the "All of us".

It's happening on my island as well. It's heavily polarized and people are flying more and more in each others necks verbally and via the media. It's becoming a very bad situation. This plague is able to bring the downfall of western society as we know it.

Originally posted by National Security Agency

Europe is a great place of idealist, naive, and pompous tea sipping, wine drinking, ignorant p-icks. It's hard for them to grasp the realistic nature of the world because they only see the cup of milk half-full when its empty.

You know, replace 'tea sipping, wine drinking' with 'pepsi guzzling, bud drinking' and you've made an equally 'accurate' assesment of the US

The political conspiracy is the mass juxtaposition of propaganda in both the United States and Europe by the 1% income gainers in both continents vieing to increase thier riches through policies enacted. Each side was and is still perhaps waging propaganda wars to seize on the monetary value of differing idealism, beliefs, values, etc.

No s**t Sherlock! now why didn't you just say that without falling into the trap the '1% income gainers in both continents' want you to? I actually thought you made some valid points but lost it all with the childish and small minded way in which you expressed your views

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[edit on 16-3-2005 by ridcully]

Originally posted by National Security Agency
Europe is still the hipocritical, snotty nosed, pimple poping teenager it always has been. Europe is a great place of idealist, naive, and pompous tea sipping, wine drinking, ignorant p-icks. It's hard for them to grasp the realistic nature of the world because they only see the cup of milk half-full when its empty.
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Who's a hypocrite?

Americana and Europeans for the reasons given above or you for typing this whilst being huddled up (probably on your internet access on a computer other people in your community may ill be able to afford...?



As much as I agreed to much you have commented on, it makes it hard take these comments seriously as they appear to be when comments such as these are made. You make the statement seem void of substance by the lack of judgment and hypocritical opinion.

Excuse me for being naive but........ is'nt it possible that all this fear, animosity, and mistrust between the U.S. and Europe is a good thing. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying I like it but it seems that most people are beginning to really start to look at their nations introspectively. All people have some feeling of nationalism, a pride in their heritage and history, and when there are disagreements over the policies of our nations it's easy to get angry. The media is only going to feed it to get ratings and sell more advertising space, it doesn't matter if it's The Washington Post or The London Daily Mirror. However because we feel so divided aren't most of us starting to really look at the "the other guy" with some curiosity, some new respect, that wasn't there before. I mean both Americans and Europeans.

There are still "loony leftist europeans" barking about "American imperialism" and touting the merits socialism (a form of government that has failed in every case) just as there are "damn cowboy yanks" driving around in monsterous S.U.V.'s ("stupid user vehicals") with their "Boycott France" bumpersticker (something I think is akin to a Dixie flag and gun rack). But for most of us, aren't we starting to find that we are more alike than different, and isn't it good to debate the differences.

I myself always believed that most Europeans were cutting their own economic legs out from under themselves by fighting for the 35 hour work week and 5 weeks a year vacation. But you know what? I'm tired, I've been working 50-60 hour work weeks since I was 17 and haven't taken a vacation in a few years. Maybe the French are right to strike over adding an additional few hours to the Transportation Workers work week. But on the same token isn't capitalism a true and great catalyst for innovation. Look at Canada with it's great free medical system, but can anyone tell me when the last time a Canadian company released a major new drug or treatment? No, you can't. No profit, no reward, no great push to find that "next big thing".

I am an american and proud of it, always will be, and I hope I don't get completely blasted for this post. I hope if you are reading this, and you are not American, that you too are proud of your heritage, but please don't blast us "yanks" for loving our country, it's who we are, can't help it. And next time I hear someone from another country refer to the U.S. as an "Imperial Power" pushing Coke and McDonalds down the throats of eurpean nations, I will refrain from labeling them a communist or just plain jealous.

Again sorry for being naive, and sorry for being so long winded.

What concerns me, an American, about the current wave of uber-nationalism is that it by nature puts Americans in a combative posture in the eyes of the rest of the world. The United States has gone in the space of sixty-five years from being a sleeping giant embracing an isolationist policy to being the schoolyard bully in the community of nations. Why does so much of the rest of the world detest America? Well, how do you feel about the guy at work who constantly proclaims that HE and HE ALONE is the best worker in the whole place?

Originally posted by looking4truthBut on the same token isn't capitalism a true and great catalyst for innovation. Look at Canada with it's great free medical system, but can anyone tell me when the last time a Canadian company released a major new drug or treatment? No, you can't. No profit, no reward, no great push to find that "next big thing".

Call me an idealist, but why should only profit be a catalyst for innovation?

Casual (and general) observations...

1. The magnetic poles are north and south, not trans-Atlantic east and west.

2. Calling the entire populace of homo sapiens inhabiting one continent or another 'stupid' is an unfortunate product of nationalism and patriotism. These have no future.

3. Imagine being a young, hungry, enormously talented entrepreneur in China reading this stuff.

I see some ignorance. Where is the conspiracy? Where is the 'monetary value' in different ideologies?

Call me an idealist, but why should only profit be a catalyst for innovation?

doesnt matter, the fact is, it just is, human greed is too strong

Originally posted by ridcully

Originally posted by National Security Agency

Europe is a great place of idealist, naive, and pompous tea sipping, wine drinking, ignorant p-icks. It's hard for them to grasp the realistic nature of the world because they only see the cup of milk half-full when its empty.

You know, replace 'tea sipping, wine drinking' with 'pepsi guzzling, bud drinking' and you've made an equally 'accurate' assesment of the US

The political conspiracy is the mass juxtaposition of propaganda in both the United States and Europe by the 1% income gainers in both continents vieing to increase thier riches through policies enacted. Each side was and is still perhaps waging propaganda wars to seize on the monetary value of differing idealism, beliefs, values, etc.

No s**t Sherlock! now why didn't you just say that without falling into the trap the '1% income gainers in both continents' want you to? I actually thought you made some valid points but lost it all with the childish and small minded way in which you expressed your views

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[edit on 16-3-2005 by ridcully]

LMAO! That was the whole point. Good job, chap. Let's go have some fissh & chips. I'm so glad someone noticed.