When the time comes, will you get a COVID-19 vaccine?

originally posted by: Blueracer
It is easy to say no. But what if your employer says you have to take it to keep your job? What is all employers say that? Then what will you say?

You just exposed what the mask is all about!

originally posted by: Blueracer
It is easy to say no. But what if your employer says you have to take it to keep your job? What is all employers say that? Then what will you say?

The last time my employer said that I had to get a vaccine, I said, okay. I just want a chest x-ray today and then a chest x-ray tomorrow. . . if I'm still alive then.

They never asked again.

This time? I'll ask for an antibody test instead. If I already have the antibodies, I won't have any use for a vaccine.

originally posted by: Phage

I'm probably going get a flu shot this year. First time ever.

I'm curious to know why, if you have never had a flu shot before you may have one

this year for the very first time?

originally posted by: Michigan72

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: Michigan72

The vaccine hasn't had sufficient time for clinical trials. I won't take it. I'd be far more concerned with an insufficiently tested vaccine than COVID.

What would make the vaccine more dangerous than covid?

The USA's secret vaccine court has paid out 4 billion dollars over thirty years.

www.fairwarning.org...

Of course the people in charge says vaccines are safe.

www.theatlantic.com...

originally posted by: Michigan72

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: Michigan72

The vaccine hasn't had sufficient time for clinical trials. I won't take it. I'd be far more concerned with an insufficiently tested vaccine than COVID.

What would make the vaccine more dangerous than covid?

Who knows? That's the point. I know there are effective mitigation measures for COVID exposure and I have no data on the vaccine. Most commercially available vaccines have many years of mostly safe and effective use. This vaccine will have no such benefit.

a reply to: Phage
I've taken plenty of vaccines. I've taken just about every common vaccine for diseases of public health significance because of potential exposure in my career. I even have a rabies vaccination. Rabies vaccination involves injecting the inactive virus, the most deadly virus known to man, into my body. I was completely fine with that.

In a few months time I still would not feel comfortable taking this, admittedly rushed, vaccine for COVID. Even if it works initially and it has side-effects on par with other vaccinations we still won't know what happens in a year. We still don't know if it works any better than a flu vaccine. If I can reduce my chances of catching COVID very effectively with normal hygeine, which I'll do regardless of getting a vaccine, I don't feel it's worthwhile.

I'm not against anybody having access to it, but I'm not taking it for some time.

This is a political weapon, I see no need for a vaccination. I m certainly not going to volunteer.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: Michigan72

The vaccine hasn't had sufficient time for clinical trials. I won't take it. I'd be far more concerned with an insufficiently tested vaccine than COVID.

Nope, not taking version 1.0 vaccine for something that affects 1.51% of the population. Below is a list of
Vaccine adverse event reports in the last 30 years. Adverse events include death which is #4 at 7.82%

PYREXIA which is number one at a whopping 15% sounds like the cytokine storm so many of the serious cases have.

Please note we are at the mercy of the vaccine manufacturers themselves to report adverse events.


In an effort for full transparency here is their disclaimer

Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS, whether or not they believe the vaccine was the cause.

Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, and unverified information.

The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.

VAERS data is limited to vaccine adverse event reports received between 1990 and the most recent date for which data are available.

VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information.
vaers.hhs.gov...


PYREXIA 3,596 15.75%
PAIN 2,154 9.43%
DYSPNOEA 1,782 7.81%
DEATH 1,661 7.28%
ASTHENIA 1,617 7.08%
HEADACHE 1,572 6.89%
VOMITING 1,567 6.86%
CONVULSION 1,392 6.10%
FATIGUE 1,342 5.88%
ARTHRALGIA 1,308 5.73%
RASH 1,230 5.39%
PARAESTHESIA 1,185 5.19%
GUILLAIN-BARRE SYNDROME 1,150 5.04%
PAIN IN EXTREMITY 1,095 4.80%
HYPOAESTHESIA 1,071 4.69%
SUDDEN INFANT DEATH SYNDROME 1,060 4.64%
DIZZINESS 1,025 4.49%
NAUSEA 944 4.13%
MUSCULAR WEAKNESS 918 4.02%
INJECTION SITE PAIN 900 3.94%
APNOEA 883 3.87%
MYALGIA 883 3.87%
MALAISE 828 3.63%
DIARRHOEA 820 3.59%
BLOOD TEST 778 3.41%

originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: Michigan72

I don't care if they obtained that vaccine from rain water. No way anyone should take it before doing a little research. You will find rushed vaccines can be very dangerous. Plus you will be chipped with ID2020.

If the CCP virus keeps up I doubt you will be given the choice not to take it. That is when the real problems will start.

I find it laughable that People don't realize they already had to have this "vaccine". I read there have ever been what 15 vaccines ever made. They are already pumping out some in the millions after what a couple months?

KUALA LUMPUR, May 22 — The fastest vaccine developed was the Ebola one that took five years, a medical expert said, as the world races for a vaccine against the novel coronavirus.

Unlike conventional vaccines, RNA vaccines should be stored at very low temperatures, said Dr Altice.

“The problem is that our experience with most RNA vaccines, which this will be most likely, have to be stored at incredibly low levels minus 80 degrees, which are typically research freezers, and it will be inaccessible for much of the world,” he said.

codeblue.galencentre.org...

We've never made a successful vaccine for a corona virus before. This is why it's so difficult

www.abc.net.au...

Hell no, and any soul who thinks other wise can go F# themselves... with whatever they choose to do so with. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and I`ll be awfully damn happy to never have another needle penetrate my skin so long as I draw breath. It aint natural.

originally posted by: Michigan72

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: Michigan72

The vaccine hasn't had sufficient time for clinical trials. I won't take it. I'd be far more concerned with an insufficiently tested vaccine than COVID.

What would make the vaccine more dangerous than covid?

Some new vaccines have made a sickness worst in the past. It could end up helping the virus attack the body, in some people.

originally posted by: Blueracer
It is easy to say no. But what if your employer says you have to take it to keep your job? What is all employers say that? Then what will you say?

Pretty sure that would be discrimination and massive lawsuits, even if the laws are re-written. Any vaccine there will be a certain number of people that can not take it and you can't discriminate against them because of it.

I'll decide when (and if) a vaccination is offered.

I certainly won't be one of the first ones in line, and I'll have to see some real-world results first. Then I'll decide if the minuscule chance of catching a serious case of the Chinese Virus is worse than the unlikely chance of having a reaction to the vaccine. I'll also be researching it to see how it will affect my natural immunity. I tend to trust what God gave me to start with a lot more than what some dude with a piece of fancy paper wants to shoot in my arm.

Chances are, I won't take it. The harder the government tries to make me, the less the chance I will.

TheRedneck

a reply to: putnam6

I'm retired on SS Disability. Screw that rat race. Only rats win.

TheRedneck

Yeah, I’ll get the vaccine the first chance I get. I have a husband who is permanently in a nursing home. It will be well worth it to get a vaccine. My biggest fear now is I will infect him. He will die if he gets COVID-19. I am for science, and I have a brain in my head. I’ve been getting the flu vaccine for years and had no problems. In fact, in my time in the Navy, I’ve gotten dozens of vaccines which I never had an adverse reaction to.

I really don’t give a # what anyone else does or what they think. I have the freedom of choice here.

originally posted by: Blueracer
It is easy to say no. But what if your employer says you have to take it to keep your job? What is all employers say that? Then what will you say?

This is my concern. I have to work. There is no option for me to say "No" and just sit at home forever.

I will not take the vaccine unless I have zero other options.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Ksihkehe

The vaccine hasn't had sufficient time for clinical trials.

That's why it isn't available to the public.

When the phase III trials are completed, and if it is shown to be significantly effective and safe, I'll take it.

I'm probably going get a flu shot this year. First time ever.

go check out vaers.hhs.gov...

for a list of adverse events from vaccines that have ran the trials and been "approved".

Im not against vaccines but one for a bug that's hitting 1.5% of the population is not what vaccines are about.

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originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Blueracer
It is easy to say no. But what if your employer says you have to take it to keep your job? What is all employers say that? Then what will you say?

Pretty sure that would be discrimination and massive lawsuits, even if the laws are re-written. Any vaccine there will be a certain number of people that can not take it and you can't discriminate against them because of it.

Is that the case though? They can refuse your children enrolling in school if they have not been vaccinated. This seems to be the same thing.

Not interested, though prolly not much of a choice when Trump said the Military will be involved in administering the vaccines.

I have some risk factors.

I will not be in the first groups to get the vaccine. As I understand it, those will go to first responders, medical personnel etc

When my medical group recommends that I get one, I will