My interpretation of the Book of Job points to "The Lord" and "God" being distinct.

I'll try to keep this short as I've never publicly shared my opinion on topics pertaining to religion in general.

I recently came across a section from the book of Job which reads as follows:

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

- Job 1:6

This alone isn't what led me to believe this claim, since in this case it could easily refer to God.

However, after going through a bit more, the distinction between "the Lord / Almighty" (whom had tested Job at the whims of Satan), and "God" (who's judgment for allowing this is being put in question) became more evident.

I encourage you all to read it from this perspective, and consider that Lucifer, the fallen prince of earth could well be He refered to as "the Lord".

Combined with the countless re-writing of these ancient scripts, and the translations and likely purposeful edits, it's no wonder we're so confused on our history when comparing scripts from ancient civilizations and various cultures and religions across the world.

I believe Lucifer was cast out for having sinned against his own people. I believe the history of these events has been purposely hidden or twisted to keep us unknowing.

I'm going a bit far now, so I think I'll stop there.

I just wanted to share my view.

a reply to: iammrhappy86
What is happening, under the drama of the first chapter, is that God is "testing" Job in the same way that he tested Abraham, so that their faith and obedience could be demonstrated in practice.

a reply to: iammrhappy86

The verse tells me Satan and The sons of God come together before
the Lord. I don't see how that becomes muddled at all. And like every
grievance against scripture whether contradiction or re writing or
translation. It never makes a difference to the story being told.
Impotent splitting of hairs. Nothing.

a reply to: iammrhappy86

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

- Job 1:6

This alone isn't what led me to believe this claim, since in this case it could easily refer to God.

However, after going through a bit more, the distinction between "the Lord / Almighty" (whom had tested Job at the whims of Satan), and "God" (who's judgment for allowing this is being put in question) became more evident.

Interesting interpretation.

I agree with you. There are a lot of verses in Genesis that make me scratch my head at times. Especially in the instances where God is referred to as "we", or "us" - not he or she. Like Genesis 1:26:

[1:26] Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."

Us?

How many God's are there? "Us" and "Our" clearly indicates more than one being, in my opinion.

Perplexing, no?

a reply to: iammrhappy86

Job 1:6 Hebrew Text Analysis

Elohim @ wikipedia

Yahweh @ wikipedia

The Lord himself makes several mentions of God, with subtle hints at Him being a higher authority authority with whom only the Lord may consult, and only through him may man speak with God (or so was taught by the Lord, who doesn't shy away from bragging about his prowess and reacting to Satan's taunts much like a proud tyrant would)

a reply to: Riffrafter

Genesis 1:26 uses "elohim" as well, that's why plural.

originally posted by: jedi_hamster
a reply to: Riffrafter

Genesis 1:26 uses "elohim" as well, that's why plural.

Thanks.

I also read somewhere an interpretation of the Bible that would be deemed heretical.

Essentially it takes the view and position that the Bible is in fact based on "facts" but there is more than one "God" as we understand that word.

There is the one and only Almighty God that created and oversees the Universe and all of of creation, and there are lesser manifestations of this "One Infinite Creator" which are also "Gods" for lack of a better term, that are more "local" in nature - like one God per galaxy.

I mean, if I were this One Infinite Creator, I'd create a bunch of "lesser" Gods to help split up the workload. Just trying to keep a close eye on the 50 billion or so galaxies in the universe is more than a full-time job in itself. Let alone actually also doing something from time to time to help impact the "growth" of these galaxies and all of their inhabitants - human or otherwise.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: iammrhappy86
What is happening, under the drama of the first chapter, is that God is "testing" Job in the same way that he tested Abraham, so that their faith and obedience could be demonstrated in practice.

There's no point in destroying and ruining a mortal man's complete life and family just to see if he's obedient or not on a bet because Satan tempted God into a game. They have each other's numbers to their direct lines and do these kinds of things for fun I suppose.

This story is one that I put into the never happened category. Or, Job had such terrible luck and was a man of God so some reasoning and purpose was added to his unfortunate series of events.

Surely, these things could not just happen in succession to a pious man without God and Satan being involved.

Our Creator is a 3 in 1 God. The Father, The son, and the Holy Spirit. Keep this in mind while reading!

originally posted by: Riffrafter
a reply to: iammrhappy86

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

- Job 1:6

This alone isn't what led me to believe this claim, since in this case it could easily refer to God.

However, after going through a bit more, the distinction between "the Lord / Almighty" (whom had tested Job at the whims of Satan), and "God" (who's judgment for allowing this is being put in question) became more evident.

Interesting interpretation.

I agree with you. There are a lot of verses in Genesis that make me scratch my head at times. Especially in the instances where God is referred to as "we", or "us" - not he or she. Like Genesis 1:26:

[1:26] Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."

Us?

How many God's are there? "Us" and "Our" clearly indicates more than one being, in my opinion.

Perplexing, no?

a reply to: iammrhappy86

I’m sure you are also aware that Genesis chapter one and two are almost identical except that one uses “god” while the other chapter uses “Lord God”.

Some believe that the first chapter is when the real god made the earth and chapter two is someone imitating god (Lucifer) as “Lord God” and claiming responsibility for Earth through a retelling.

Start with reading only the KJV.....the others are awful, missing 18 verses at least and there is a bunch more...

The latin translation....the first one has a foreword that says it is trash and do not take the forced translation as a true translation....right there in the foreword boys.....written by the translator.....dude

There's more.....tons more

A description of God and where He was before would grab your senses.......and it's fun logic.......takes the trash out the door boy.

First level of understanding is milk and it takes some time to get to the meat of spiritual discipline ....but rest assured using scripture to interpret scripture works.......but it takes years......so, Bible defines all it's meanings in other parts.....and they're hinted every time where to go look......special literary work.......

In a league of it's own.....did you know scripture proves we live in a digital simm........because it comes from outside our domain.....our time domain.......

a reply to: GBP/JPY

did you know scripture proves we live in a digital simm........becUse it comes from outside our domain..

You make bold claims but as usual can't point to any bible passages

originally posted by: iammrhappy86

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

- Job 1:6

stop

I just wanted to share my view.

the Lord referenced here is the 'Jesus' person AKA 'Lord or Christ'... the GOD referenced here is the Creator-Father aspect of the multi-timeline Consciousness that We call the Father-Son-HolyGhost

the Lord only existed as an un-manifest / Future ... 'Savior' or 'Lord' prior to the Super-Natural Pregnancy of Mary who gave birth to 'Emmanuel' from the Seed-of-David'

its a Puzzle we are in Awe Of, the complexity of a Solitary, Deity existing in all dimensions of Time All-at-the-same-Time

I'm still wondering what happened to Ziz, the beast of the sky.

Sons of God an Satan's with them, would be Angels, since it reiterated so much. In Judaism, an B.C, Satan/Sameal is only subservient to God, where as in Christainity an even Islam, Satan revolted in differing ways.

Luicfer belongs to Latin interpretations, and while it did become syncretic Satan, oddly enough Jesus claims to be Lucifer, the Light Bearer.

originally posted by: St Udio

originally posted by: iammrhappy86

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

- Job 1:6

stop

I just wanted to share my view.

 

 

the Lord referenced here is the 'Jesus' person AKA 'Lord or Christ'... the GOD referenced here is the Creator-Father aspect of the multi-timeline Consciousness that We call the Father-Son-HolyGhost

the Lord only existed as an un-manifest / Future ... 'Savior' or 'Lord' prior to the Super-Natural Pregnancy of Mary who gave birth to 'Emmanuel' from the Seed-of-David'

its a Puzzle we are in Awe Of, the complexity of a Solitary, Deity existing in all dimensions of Time All-at-the-same-Time

Wow!

Great post!

I'm going to need an awful lot more coffee to even begin to wrap my mind around this concept.

But it "feels" right. It resonates in a way that real truth often does with me.

These posts could just have easily fit in very well in the Metaphysics forum too, n'est pas?

🤯 😇 🧐

originally posted by: Illumimasontruth
Our Creator is a 3 in 1 God. The Father, The son, and the Holy Spirit. Keep this in mind while reading!

originally posted by: Riffrafter
a reply to: iammrhappy86

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

- Job 1:6

This alone isn't what led me to believe this claim, since in this case it could easily refer to God.

However, after going through a bit more, the distinction between "the Lord / Almighty" (whom had tested Job at the whims of Satan), and "God" (who's judgment for allowing this is being put in question) became more evident.

Interesting interpretation.

I agree with you. There are a lot of verses in Genesis that make me scratch my head at times. Especially in the instances where God is referred to as "we", or "us" - not he or she. Like Genesis 1:26:

[1:26] Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."

Us?

How many God's are there? "Us" and "Our" clearly indicates more than one being, in my opinion.

Perplexing, no?

Yes, but Genesis takes place long before the birth of Jesus Christ.

Why refer to the Infinite Creator God using a definition that includes "the son" (Jesus) a man/deity who will not even exist until thousands of years in the future from the time Genesis supposedly takes place?

There was no flesh and blood Jesus at the time of Genesis...right?

I'm getting a headache...lol

Sorry....link

Chucky boy Missler.....will fill ya right in my bro

On da tube

HOWEVER FOR SCRIPTURE ...yes ...the first sentence tells it. That one first sentence addresses what the physicist and science demands is that we address and very few address it is space , time and matter.

We need space time and matter to be addressed or we ain't got a conversation according to the space and science school.

The first sentence says in the beginning that addresses time

God created the heavens that space

Andy created the Earth ... that's matter ......wait don't go away there's more each of those three consists of their Triad their triple makeup
Then finally addressing our time domain it's just because the information it's proven to come from Beyond what we could know that Missler makes that claim... stating that the mathematical odds of the track record of the prophecies which is so perfect has no place in our universe because the mathematical odds are Beyond ten to the 41st power and so he states that nothing that minuscule has a location in our universe

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: GBP/JPY

did you know scripture proves we live in a digital simm........becUse it comes from outside our domain..

You make bold claims but as usual can't point to any bible passages

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: iammrhappy86
What is happening, under the drama of the first chapter, is that God is "testing" Job in the same way that he tested Abraham, so that their faith and obedience could be demonstrated in practice.

Both of which are thoroughly creepy and unsettling anecdotes of subjugation.

a reply to: iammrhappy86

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

My opinion of course.
There is one Holy Father of total Spirit and His begotten Son of Physicality. Moses wrote of this in Genesis 1;20—
The question now is did Satan present himself before his Creator or did Satan present himself before The Most High Father? The bible says that Satan presented himself before his Creator and not the Most High El. What is the difference? The Creator of all physicality both in heaven and on earth is “The Word”. “The Word” is the reincarnated Christ Jesus and John 1st chapter tells us that not one thing of Physicality was created except by “The Word” both in heaven and in this universe.

In this Nazarene teaching, the Lord of all that exists is "The Word" of the Most High E. The Most High El is Godl who is the one and only God. Sons of God are spiritual celestial entities created by “The Word” who is their Lord. All other terrestrial humans are procreated by human procreation and are not considered sons of God except by adoption

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

The Nazarene forerunners of Christianity regarded Jesus [“Word”] as being Lord and also Lord God. Both Father and Son are one and the same as the human is patterned in the same manner. Spirit and image. The language is used very loosely from Hebrew to Greek and even from author to another.